We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year

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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#41 » by brackdan70 » Thu Aug 8, 2024 3:56 pm

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brackdan70 wrote:That trade is not legal. LAL are over the 2nd Apron. That puts them further over. By aggregating they get hardcapped. Can’t do it.
They are taking back more money as well which hard caps them at the first apron, so illegal all the way around


Works in fanspo. They’re sending out 59.6 million and receiving 55.7 million.


Works in spotrac as well if Golden State sends Trayce Jackson-Davis to Utah. Doesn’t get more reliable than that.

Yeah GS is hard capped at the first Apron. They are over it by just a bit after this trade unless they send someone to Utah.
Then LAL needs to fill two roster spots being hard capped at the second apron with about 3 million to spend. They would need to sign 2 undrafted free agents.
I suppose it might be technically possible if GSW send out more, but it really isn’t happening. Is that how Ainge wants to use cap space?
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#42 » by gswhoops » Thu Aug 8, 2024 3:57 pm

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gswhoops wrote:Even if Steph demands out, LA doesn't have the assets to get him.


disagree, especially if he wants to go to LA. if they rope Utah into the trade I think it's possible.

Lakers get:
Curry

Jazz get:
Reaves
Rui

Warriors get:
Collins
Russell
Vincent
LAL 2027 (unprotected)
LAL 2029 (unprotected)
LAL 2031 (unprotected)
LAL 2026 swap (unprotected)
LAL 2028 swap (unprotected)
LAL 2030 swap (unprotected)

3 unprotected 1st + 3 unprotected swaps is about as good as you can hope for from any team imo.

That trade is not legal. LAL are over the 2nd Apron. That puts them further over. By aggregating they get hardcapped. Can’t do it.
They are taking back more money as well which hard caps them at the first apron, so illegal all the way around

Yeah I mean even if GSW, LAL, and Steph were all aligned on a midseason trade in theory, the execution is basically impossible with the apron rules and roster size restrictions. At the very least there would have to be a 3rd team that was willing to eat salary from LAL without sending any out in return.
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#43 » by wegotthabeet » Thu Aug 8, 2024 4:56 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
Works in fanspo. They’re sending out 59.6 million and receiving 55.7 million.


Works in spotrac as well if Golden State sends Trayce Jackson-Davis to Utah. Doesn’t get more reliable than that.

Yeah GS is hard capped at the first Apron. They are over it by just a bit after this trade unless they send someone to Utah.
Then LAL needs to fill two roster spots being hard capped at the second apron with about 3 million to spend. They would need to sign 2 undrafted free agents.
I suppose it might be technically possible if GSW send out more, but it really isn’t happening. Is that how Ainge wants to use cap space?


Yeah it’s possible. You said it wasn’t but it is. Nothing you described is unlikely if a trade like this were on the table. Utah is using space to get Reaves.
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#44 » by brackdan70 » Thu Aug 8, 2024 6:11 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
Works in spotrac as well if Golden State sends Trayce Jackson-Davis to Utah. Doesn’t get more reliable than that.

Yeah GS is hard capped at the first Apron. They are over it by just a bit after this trade unless they send someone to Utah.
Then LAL needs to fill two roster spots being hard capped at the second apron with about 3 million to spend. They would need to sign 2 undrafted free agents.
I suppose it might be technically possible if GSW send out more, but it really isn’t happening. Is that how Ainge wants to use cap space?


Yeah it’s possible. You said it wasn’t but it is. Nothing you described is unlikely if a trade like this were on the table. Utah is using space to get Reaves.

Theoretically possible but not practicable.
The trade you initially proposed wasn’t. Only is if GSW sends out another player.
You sure Utah wants to burn space on Reeves? I wouldn’t.
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#45 » by wegotthabeet » Thu Aug 8, 2024 7:02 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Yeah GS is hard capped at the first Apron. They are over it by just a bit after this trade unless they send someone to Utah.
Then LAL needs to fill two roster spots being hard capped at the second apron with about 3 million to spend. They would need to sign 2 undrafted free agents.
I suppose it might be technically possible if GSW send out more, but it really isn’t happening. Is that how Ainge wants to use cap space?


Yeah it’s possible. You said it wasn’t but it is. Nothing you described is unlikely if a trade like this were on the table. Utah is using space to get Reaves.

Theoretically possible but not practicable.
The trade you initially proposed wasn’t. Only is if GSW sends out another player.
You sure Utah wants to burn space on Reeves? I wouldn’t.


Yeah only if Golden State sends a minimum contract as well. It’s both possible and practicable. No need to stretch your imagination too much here. Just needed to include a minimum deal. Really not hard to figure out.
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#46 » by MessiahUjiri » Fri Aug 9, 2024 2:18 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
MessiahUjiri wrote:Here’s a hypothetical that is within the realm of possibility this year:

1. The Warriors are outside the playoffs, and decide to go for a rebuild.
2. Steph will only be traded to a contender that he wants to play for. Him and Lebron may have also discussed this in Paris.
3. The Lakers will do a 4 for 1 type deal to match salaries, and then go fill their bench with discounted players on the buyout market.



Steph Curry
for
Dalton Knecht, DLo Russell, Rui Hachimura, Gabe Vincent, Max Christie, 2 ‘25 2nds (LAC + LAL), ‘26 1st swap, ‘29 LAL unprotected 1st.



GSW can let DLo expire, or flip him (BKN? ORL?) for a small return.



This years buyout market should be hot, with a number of teams gearing up for the tank. Guys like Schroder (BKN), Fournier (DET), Brogdon (WAS) are going to be interested in an LA championship run.


Imagine:

Steph / Reaves / Lebron / Vando / Davis
Schroder / ? / Reddish / Wood / Hayes



Warriors will end up with a top 10 pick plus a solid young core. The next 2 draft years are very strong, so the Warriors will potentially be setup for a full decade.

I didn’t do the math but any trade between these two teams is tough. GSW is hardcapped at the first Apron and only has about 700K room under it. LAL are over the second Apron so can’t aggregate ( if they do they get hardcapped at the second Apron so need to get under it by taking back less money) and the can’t take back more money (if they do they need to get under the 1st apron.

I don’t think your trade meets those sideboards.


Lakers can still aggregate in order to dump salary and get under the 1st apron, which this accomplishes.
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#47 » by brackdan70 » Fri Aug 9, 2024 2:32 pm

MessiahUjiri wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:
MessiahUjiri wrote:Here’s a hypothetical that is within the realm of possibility this year:

1. The Warriors are outside the playoffs, and decide to go for a rebuild.
2. Steph will only be traded to a contender that he wants to play for. Him and Lebron may have also discussed this in Paris.
3. The Lakers will do a 4 for 1 type deal to match salaries, and then go fill their bench with discounted players on the buyout market.



Steph Curry
for
Dalton Knecht, DLo Russell, Rui Hachimura, Gabe Vincent, Max Christie, 2 ‘25 2nds (LAC + LAL), ‘26 1st swap, ‘29 LAL unprotected 1st.



GSW can let DLo expire, or flip him (BKN? ORL?) for a small return.



This years buyout market should be hot, with a number of teams gearing up for the tank. Guys like Schroder (BKN), Fournier (DET), Brogdon (WAS) are going to be interested in an LA championship run.


Imagine:

Steph / Reaves / Lebron / Vando / Davis
Schroder / ? / Reddish / Wood / Hayes



Warriors will end up with a top 10 pick plus a solid young core. The next 2 draft years are very strong, so the Warriors will potentially be setup for a full decade.

I didn’t do the math but any trade between these two teams is tough. GSW is hardcapped at the first Apron and only has about 700K room under it. LAL are over the second Apron so can’t aggregate ( if they do they get hardcapped at the second Apron so need to get under it by taking back less money) and the can’t take back more money (if they do they need to get under the 1st apron.

I don’t think your trade meets those sideboards.


Lakers can still aggregate in order to dump salary and get under the 1st apron, which this accomplishes.

But does GSW stay under their hard cap at the first apron?
My quick math says no. I think they can only take back 533K more. Looks like this would ad much more than that.
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#48 » by ProcessDoctor » Fri Aug 9, 2024 2:45 pm

LeBron to GSW is what should've happened last year. LeBron didn't want to join Steph's team though. I doubt Curry would want to join LeBron's team.
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#49 » by shrink » Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:14 am

A midseason 5-for-1 trade would mean the Warriors would need to cut 4-5 players to make the slots under the roster limit.
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#50 » by vxmike » Sat Aug 10, 2024 6:15 am

MessiahUjiri wrote:
winforlose wrote:Highly unlikely. GSW can get more for him elsewhere. Steph would rather go to a relevant team (LAL is likely to be near the bottom of the west by September, or at least in the 9-12 range.) Also LAL would need to pony up more assets to including Vando, Reaves, and more picks, to make this appealing for GSW.



Realistically, Steph will not be on the open bidding market. He will have a strong say in where and who he wants to play with.


True but 28 other teams beat that craptastic offer.
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#51 » by giberish » Sat Aug 10, 2024 7:11 am

vxmike wrote:
MessiahUjiri wrote:
winforlose wrote:Highly unlikely. GSW can get more for him elsewhere. Steph would rather go to a relevant team (LAL is likely to be near the bottom of the west by September, or at least in the 9-12 range.) Also LAL would need to pony up more assets to including Vando, Reaves, and more picks, to make this appealing for GSW.



Realistically, Steph will not be on the open bidding market. He will have a strong say in where and who he wants to play with.


True but 28 other teams beat that craptastic offer.


The other issue is that if Steph wants to play on a play-in team with a lot of national TV games he can just stay with the Warriors.
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#52 » by Butter » Sat Aug 10, 2024 11:58 am

Salaries match in a three team deal between Lakers, Warriors and Blazers if the Blazers send Simons and Grant to the Warriors, and the Lakers send the alleged package back to the Blazers.

If the other teams were interested, the Blazers would need more draft capitol for adding Simons.
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Post#53 » by NW » Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:17 pm

Butter wrote:Salaries match in a three team deal between Lakers, Warriors and Blazers if the Blazers send Simons and Grant to the Warriors, and the Lakers send the alleged package back to the Blazers.

If the other teams were interested, the Blazers would need more draft capitol for adding Simons.



If the Warriors were ever to consider dealing Curry, it's for a rebuild. Simons and Grant do nothing for that.
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#54 » by TorontoBarneys » Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:06 pm

lol @ Steph Curry being valued at a single unprotected 1st
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#55 » by Butter » Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:39 pm

NW wrote:
Butter wrote:Salaries match in a three team deal between Lakers, Warriors and Blazers if the Blazers send Simons and Grant to the Warriors, and the Lakers send the alleged package back to the Blazers.

If the other teams were interested, the Blazers would need more draft capitol for adding Simons.



If the Warriors were ever to consider dealing Curry, it's for a rebuild. Simons and Grant do nothing for that.


Yeah, kinda figured. That's why I led with "salaries match"
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Re: We may see a Steph Curry to LAL move this year 

Post#56 » by bgrep14 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 1:05 am

This trade is at least 2 more unprotected 1sts away.

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