Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[R-DAWG]

Before the Bridges trade the Knicks were loaded with assets. They used those assets to get Bridges. We can debate if we feel the trade was an overpay or worth it. But it doesn’t change the fact that before the Bridges trade and this years draft we had all our future picks to trade, now we have none, and instead of 4 extras 1sts from other teams, we only have 2 - one of which is unlikely to convey.

So call a spade a spade - Leon paid anywhere between a very high price to an historic overpay for Bridges and will be operating with very few assets over the next 5 years.

Bridges was the perfect missing piece.


Thought to be unobtainable. Gives us (2) of the best 2 way wing defenders of the league. Bolsters our Bench - because you now add Ragu to it. Insane chemistry , insane options, insane offense, insane defense. We are undoubtable true contenders.

All for just soon to be geriatric Bogodonivic and some draft pics , most of which would not amount to much anyway IMO. I don t think we over-payed at all.

I couldnt have said it better...Not to mention, the salary valuation. That deal was a bargain for us!

Again, it wasn’t “some picks”. It was control of all our tradable draft capital plus control of 5/7 of our drafts.

I don’t understand why people discount those picks so much.

As I have said many times - if the trade was our 2024 picks and the picks we had from other teams it would be a bargain.

Listen to every review of trade. Even the people who love it start by saying how much of an overpay it was.

A bargain is parlaying Marcus Smart, Robert Williams, Malcom Brogodn and one future 1st into Jrue Holiday and Kristapas Porzingis

A premium is turning RJ Barrett, Immanuel Quickey, 4 unprotected 1st rd picks, a lightly protected 1st rd pick, and two high 2nd rd picks into OG Anunoby and Mikal Bridges.

[R-DAWG]

We were without Randle in the playoffs versus the Sixers..an elite team known for defense and what did their blitzing do to Brunson? Mind you we were hobbled even in that series.. But healthy with Randle and Bridge?s....it's not even a question to me that we are a contender.

We won in 6 close games while Philly had a hobbled Embiid. Philly has since replaced Tobias Harris and Nic Batum with Paul George and Kaleb Martin

By the middle of the 2nd rd against Indiana the team was out of gas.

We need Randle.

Embiid is ALWAYS hobbled. That is Embiid. Come play-off time he will be "hobbled again. If Embiid took care of his body like Lebron
whined a little less and put his attention toward winning instead of trying to injure players- then many of us would be concerned about him.

As far as Indy- Brunson broke his hand in game 2. OG and Mitch was out by game 2. Not to mention, Randle wasnt even playing.
Thats not "out of gas" that's missing almost all of your starters

Brunson broke his hand in game 7 not game 2

And if we are making the argument that Embiid is always hobbled, which is true, we need to counter that Anunoby is always missing games, which he is.

[thebuzzardman]

Bridges was the perfect missing piece.


Thought to be unobtainable. Gives us (2) of the best 2 way wing defenders of the league. Bolsters our Bench - because you now add Ragu to it. Insane chemistry , insane options, insane offense, insane defense. We are undoubtable true contenders.

All for just soon to be geriatric Bogodonivic and some draft pics , most of which would not amount to much anyway IMO. I don t think we over-payed at all.

I couldnt have said it better...Not to mention, the salary valuation. That deal was a bargain for us!

Again, it wasn’t “some picks”. It was control of all our tradable draft capital plus control of 5/7 of our drafts.

I don’t understand why people discount those picks so much.

As I have said many times - if the trade was our 2024 picks and the picks we had from other teams it would be a bargain.

Listen to every review of trade. Even the people who love it start by saying how much of an overpay it was.

A bargain is parlaying Marcus Smart, Robert Williams, Malcom Brogodn and one future 1st into Jrue Holiday and Kristapas Porzingis

A premium is turning RJ Barrett, Immanuel Quickey, 4 unprotected 1st rd picks, a lightly protected 1st rd pick, and two high 2nd rd picks into OG Anunoby and Mikal Bridges.

[Context]

We won in 6 close games while Philly had a hobbled Embiid. Philly has since replaced Tobias Harris and Nic Batum with Paul George and Kaleb Martin

By the middle of the 2nd rd against Indiana the team was out of gas.

We need Randle.

Embiid is ALWAYS hobbled. That is Embiid. Come play-off time he will be "hobbled again. If Embiid took care of his body like Lebron
whined a little less and put his attention toward winning instead of trying to injure players- then many of us would be concerned about him.

As far as Indy- Brunson broke his hand in game 2. OG and Mitch was out by game 2. Not to mention, Randle wasnt even playing.
Thats not "out of gas" that's missing almost all of your starters

Brunson broke his hand in game 7 not game 2

And if we are making the argument that Embiid is always hobbled, which is true, we need to counter that Anunoby is always missing games, which he is.

go watch the entire game 2...I'm not going back and forth this year with any knick fan. I'm going to
enjoy this run to the chip-whether it happens this year, next year or the year after but its coming...
You can make arguments for our opponents...I will focus on the beauty in our Knicks...

[Synciere]

We were without Randle in the playoffs versus the Sixers..an elite team known for defense and what did their blitzing do to Brunson? Mind you we were hobbled even in that series.. But healthy with Randle and Bridge?s....it's not even a question to me that we are a contender.

We won in 6 close games while Philly had a hobbled Embiid. Philly has since replaced Tobias Harris and Nic Batum with Paul George and Kaleb Martin

By the middle of the 2nd rd against Indiana the team was out of gas.

We need Randle.

Philly will be good, Boston is still Boston. Knicks if healthy plus Mikal plus Randle as #2 scorer are right with them. The thing that scares me is the loss of Hartenstein. I saw replays of 2 games recently, the Minnesota game from January and one of the playoff wins vs Sixers. It stood out to me how valuable iHart was. I'm not sure even a healthy Mitch plus say JV as a backup can replace what he brought.

A lot of what iHart brought that we're still lacking is as an offensive hub offensively. We got to see him do that more because Randle was hurt, but honestly, minus the minutes Randle doesn't play, he can and will likely end up doing a lot of that and doing it better as a playmaking forward. The issue then becomes if Mitch clogging the middle will hurt, but at this point in the offseason chances of a big suddenly becoming available are slim, so we could end up seeing a lot of lineups with Randle serving as the 5 on offense and OG serving as the 5 of defense.

[sol537]

Randle should try to go for 18pts 11rb 8ast type numbers this season... More all-around game... more defense... we'd be a much better team for it.

[Synciere]

Randle should try to go for 18pts 11rb 8ast type numbers this season... More all-around game... more defense... we'd be a much better team for it.

Him scoring less isn't immediately indicative of playing a more all-around game. Randle is already at 6 assists per game, and the only way I see him getting more is if his usage goes up substantially, which it probably shouldn't because Jalen is that guy and we don't want Randle holding the ball. I actually want to see Randle's scoring go UP due to increased efficiency from 3. He can still rebound and move the ball, but the only thing he needs to do is shoot the 3 ball better.

[R-DAWG]

Randle should try to go for 18pts 11rb 8ast type numbers this season... More all-around game... more defense... we'd be a much better team for it.

Him scoring less isn't immediately indicative of playing a more all-around game. Randle is already at 6 assists per game, and the only way I see him getting more is if his usage goes up substantially, which it probably shouldn't because Jalen is that guy and we don't want Randle holding the ball. I actually want to see Randle's scoring go UP due to increased efficiency from 3. He can still rebound and move the ball, but the only thing he needs to do is shoot the 3 ball better.

Bridges at his best is when he's not a primary focus on defense. Leave him open he knocks down a three, close on him he can put the ball on the floor and create.

If he's the #2 option and a focus on defense, and he's got a guy shadowing him while also facing double teams he's much less effective.

Regular season Randle gets his in an efficient manor with a guy shadowing him while also facing double teams. We need that guy in the playoffs.

[kNicksGmen]

We won in 6 close games while Philly had a hobbled Embiid. Philly has since replaced Tobias Harris and Nic Batum with Paul George and Kaleb Martin

By the middle of the 2nd rd against Indiana the team was out of gas.

We need Randle.

Embiid is ALWAYS hobbled. That is Embiid. Come play-off time he will be "hobbled again. If Embiid took care of his body like Lebron
whined a little less and put his attention toward winning instead of trying to injure players- then many of us would be concerned about him.

As far as Indy- Brunson broke his hand in game 2. OG and Mitch was out by game 2. Not to mention, Randle wasnt even playing.
Thats not "out of gas" that's missing almost all of your starters

Brunson broke his hand in game 7 not game 2

And if we are making the argument that Embiid is always hobbled, which is true, we need to counter that Anunoby is always missing games, which he is.

he hurt his foot game 2. didn't really seem the same the rest of the series. nothing was ever disclosed but i always assumed he had something shot in his foot prior to coming back for the 2nd half of game 2 and again before game 5. and there wasn't enough time for another shot before game 7. just the way he moved game to game was so apparent he was hobbled.

[Capn'O]

Sounds like Knicks are valuing Randle as an all star forward, like they should.

[Context]

he hurt his foot game 2. didn't really seem the same the rest of the series. nothing was ever disclosed but i always assumed he had something shot in his foot prior to coming back for the 2nd half of game 2 and again before game 5. and there wasn't enough time for another shot before game 7. just the way he moved game to game was so apparent he was hobbled.

Brunson fractured his left hand...Look at the 38 minute mark of the video below and you will see Nembard bump brunsons hand/arm...Brunson immediately pulls his hand/arm to his core...and didn't come back until the second half...
I believe the fracture occurred at that moment...and for those who think you cant play on a fracture

Watch on YouTube

which fracture classification it was at that point only Brunson knows- It's my opinion that it wasnt severe at that point...
https://ladanhajipour.com/the-different-types-of-hand-and-wrist-fractures/#:~:text=Hand%20fractures,the%20severity%20of%20the%20fracture.

It was just obvious to me that he was trying to disguise his pain or injury at that moment but his initial movement told me other wise...

[Context]

Sounds like Knicks are valuing Randle as an all star forward, like they should.

I cant wait to see how this team plays for 20 games Cap...

[sol537]

Randle should try to go for 18pts 11rb 8ast type numbers this season... More all-around game... more defense... we'd be a much better team for it.

Him scoring less isn't immediately indicative of playing a more all-around game. Randle is already at 6 assists per game, and the only way I see him getting more is if his usage goes up substantially, which it probably shouldn't because Jalen is that guy and we don't want Randle holding the ball. I actually want to see Randle's scoring go UP due to increased efficiency from 3. He can still rebound and move the ball, but the only thing he needs to do is shoot the 3 ball better.

Randle will be surrounded by multiple ~40% 3pt shooters at all times so he should be looking to attack and dish as well as doing those give and go's near the 3pt line, using his wide body to free up the shooters. Randle has never had an offense this talented around him... he could really transform his game to prove the haters wrong (like he did in that Jan stretch).

[8516knicks]

"A premium is turning RJ Barrett, Immanuel Quickey, 4 unprotected 1st rd picks, a lightly protected 1st rd pick, and two high 2nd rd picks into OG Anunoby and Mikal Bridges."

It's more like turning a Super-Frank and a Super-Knox, a Damyean Dotson, a Cleanthony Early, an Ognien Jaramaz, anThannasis Anetekompo, and for good measure an Andy Rautins into 2 of the BEST WINGS on D and good O in the entire NBA. FIXED.

[R-DAWG]

he hurt his foot game 2. didn't really seem the same the rest of the series. nothing was ever disclosed but i always assumed he had something shot in his foot prior to coming back for the 2nd half of game 2 and again before game 5. and there wasn't enough time for another shot before game 7. just the way he moved game to game was so apparent he was hobbled.

Brunson fractured his left hand...Look at the 38 minute mark of the video below and you will see Nembard bump brunsons hand/arm...Brunson immediately pulls his hand/arm to his core...and didn't come back until the second half...
I believe the fracture occurred at that moment...and for those who think you cant play on a fracture

Watch on YouTube

which fracture classification it was at that point only Brunson knows- It's my opinion that it wasnt severe at that point...
https://ladanhajipour.com/the-different-types-of-hand-and-wrist-fractures/#:~:text=Hand%20fractures,the%20severity%20of%20the%20fracture.

It was just obvious to me that he was trying to disguise his pain or injury at that moment but his initial movement told me other wise...

Small guard needs a ton of high leverage usage in the playoffs. After 7 games suffers injury one. 6 games later suffers injury #2.

Just makes the point that we don’t have enough shot creation.

[3toheadmelo]

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[Juco24]

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HUGE part of the reason Divi had such a good year is because of Randle but some won't admit that

[Context]

he hurt his foot game 2. didn't really seem the same the rest of the series. nothing was ever disclosed but i always assumed he had something shot in his foot prior to coming back for the 2nd half of game 2 and again before game 5. and there wasn't enough time for another shot before game 7. just the way he moved game to game was so apparent he was hobbled.

Brunson fractured his left hand...Look at the 38 minute mark of the video below and you will see Nembard bump brunsons hand/arm...Brunson immediately pulls his hand/arm to his core...and didn't come back until the second half...
I believe the fracture occurred at that moment...and for those who think you cant play on a fracture

Watch on YouTube

which fracture classification it was at that point only Brunson knows- It's my opinion that it wasnt severe at that point...
https://ladanhajipour.com/the-different-types-of-hand-and-wrist-fractures/#:~:text=Hand%20fractures,the%20severity%20of%20the%20fracture.

It was just obvious to me that he was trying to disguise his pain or injury at that moment but his initial movement told me other wise...

Small guard needs a ton of high leverage usage in the playoffs. After 7 games suffers injury one. 6 games later suffers injury #2.

Just makes the point that we don’t have enough shot creation.

we need to see this team play for an extended period of time before we cement a point like that IMO...
We are extremely versatile - we also need to see how Thibs handles this team...The only things cemented to me if you want to "worry" about them is Mitch and OG missing games...I'm not worried about Brunson at all- he's very smart and tough!
And the reason I wont worry about Mitch or OG is because we cant do much about it. I dont worry about things that are out of my control...

I will say this...I think this front office is the best we've had in decades and I think we need to enjoy that...I believe no matter what is thrown at us they will figure it out...

[RHODEY]

I will make the argument that this version of the Knicks is only a contender if you get the all-NBA version of Randle in both the regular season for this team to be a contender.

Without Randle, elite teams in the playoffs will blitz Brunson and there isn't enough high level shot creation or volume scoring.

We were without Randle in the playoffs versus the Sixers..an elite team known for defense and what did their blitzing do to Brunson? Mind you we were hobbled even in that series.. But healthy with Randle and Bridge?s....it's not even a question to me that we are a contender.

We won in 6 close games while Philly had a hobbled Embiid. Philly has since replaced Tobias Harris and Nic Batum with Paul George and Kaleb Martin

By the middle of the 2nd rd against Indiana the team was out of gas.

We need Randle.

Didnt mean to imply we don't need Randle, but rather that we are very good even without Randle. Embiid was banged up for the seriers but he was still very serviceable for most of it. But my point is that had Randle been in that serers we would have steam rolled them. And if we had Mikal its likely a sweep. Now yes that've made some improvements but IMO their bench is still very suspect and there starters will miss time.
But sure we do need Randle...and that's exactly what we will be getting.

[cgmw]

he hurt his foot game 2. didn't really seem the same the rest of the series. nothing was ever disclosed but i always assumed he had something shot in his foot prior to coming back for the 2nd half of game 2 and again before game 5. and there wasn't enough time for another shot before game 7. just the way he moved game to game was so apparent he was hobbled.

Brunson fractured his left hand...Look at the 38 minute mark of the video below and you will see Nembard bump brunsons hand/arm...Brunson immediately pulls his hand/arm to his core...and didn't come back until the second half...
I believe the fracture occurred at that moment...and for those who think you cant play on a fracture

Watch on YouTube

which fracture classification it was at that point only Brunson knows- It's my opinion that it wasnt severe at that point...
https://ladanhajipour.com/the-different-types-of-hand-and-wrist-fractures/#:~:text=Hand%20fractures,the%20severity%20of%20the%20fracture.

It was just obvious to me that he was trying to disguise his pain or injury at that moment but his initial movement told me other wise...

Small guard needs a ton of high leverage usage in the playoffs. After 7 games suffers injury one. 6 games later suffers injury #2.

Just makes the point that we don’t have enough shot creation.

I'm always lost what fans mean by "Shot Creation" and how "Shot Creation" became the universal solution to all problems.

Do you mean the team needs to pass the ball and cut more to create open shots? Do you mean they need to focus on rim-protection and rebounding to create more easy transition buckets? Or.... do you mean they need to trade for Zach Lavine, Dermar Derozen, and Bones Hyland? I'm assuming the latter, but either way it seems like one helluva logical stretch to say Jalen Brunson is an injury risk because of his physical size; therefore we need Zach Lavine, DDR, and Bones?

We have three 20+ ppg scorers in the starting lineup. A shooter off the bench who was routinely dropping 30 last season. Hell, we just traded away two major young "shot creators" to Toronto. Do you want them back now? I honestly have no idea WTF fans are talking about when they use the term "Shot Creation."