Packers News, Transactions - 2025 off-season - McManus Signed - 3 Years/$15 million

[RRyder823]

I don't get this line of thinking tbh. The margins in sports absolutely can matter. The Brewers make a killing in baseball by being better than 99% of teams on the margins. It's not hard to find recent examples of bubble guys/practice squad guys who had to play significant snaps for the Packers(some good, some bad)

If you're banking on a system like the brewers making these guys truly matter on a game to game basis, than you believe the guys making the decisions and doing the coaching know what they're doing...which means you trust their decisions and aren't complaining about fringe guys that likely won't matter.

I like Gutey for sure, but he's not infallible by any means. I get that we're purely talking about depth guys here but the margins can absolutely matter in sports and acting like they don't is a line of thinking I just don't understand.

I agree the margins are important in this sport but it should be noted that these margin guys are only being discussed because the Packers were so deep at those positions that they couldn't beat out the guys ahead of them so really the big complaint seems to be "we had too many good players at those positions and had to cut a few. WTF Gute?"

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[MVP2110]

I imagine they'll be right about some and wrong about some and not a single one will end up mattering one way or the other.

I don't get this line of thinking tbh. The margins in sports absolutely can matter. The Brewers make a killing in baseball by being better than 99% of teams on the margins. It's not hard to find recent examples of bubble guys/practice squad guys who had to play significant snaps for the Packers(some good, some bad)

Can you name some of these players that turned out to be anything in the NFL that the Packers were actually wrong about?

Lawrence Guy & Mike Pennel both have had long successful NFL careers after Green Bay cut them. JK Scott has turned into a really good punter. The Packers have cut several guys that went on to be successful long snapper in the NFL. Tayson Hill has been a good contributor for the Saints. Greg Van Roten was a starting OL last year.

It's also worth noting in recent years Gutey had been excellent at knowing who could sneak onto the PS, they hadn't lost someone since 2017 to waivers. This year for whatever reason was different

[MickeyDavis]

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[MVP2110]

If Willis is truly going to be QB2 for week 1 then the decision to keep Clifford over Pratt is even more baffling

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Do we know if the Packers wanted Pratt on the practice squad and he chose Tampa? Or do you mean they should have kept 3 QBs on the 53?

Bill Huber reported the Packers wanted Clifford on the practice squad over there Michael Pratt

[MickeyDavis]

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[MVP2110]

If you're banking on a system like the brewers making these guys truly matter on a game to game basis, than you believe the guys making the decisions and doing the coaching know what they're doing...which means you trust their decisions and aren't complaining about fringe guys that likely won't matter.

I like Gutey for sure, but he's not infallible by any means. I get that we're purely talking about depth guys here but the margins can absolutely matter in sports and acting like they don't is a line of thinking I just don't understand.

I agree the margins are important in this sport but it should be noted that these margin guys are only being discussed because the Packers were so deep at those positions that they couldn't beat out the guys ahead of them so really the big complaint seems to be "we had too many good players at those positions and had to cut a few. WTF Gute?"

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To me it's moreso the guys he kept

Zayne Anderson is a ST only guy and he isn't even good in that role, that could have gone to AJJ

There was no reason to keep 6 Edge guys, one of those could have gone to Welch who was actually a good STer last year and played good LB in camp.

I think Andre Dillard sucks and would have cut him to keep a younger OL or one of Pratt or Kalen King.

Part of it absolutely is a numbers crunch that I don't blame Gutey on(Dubose for example), but losing the depth still could hurt

[Treebeard]

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I wanted Carlson to succeed, but he was unreliable last year when he had no competition, and unreliable again this pre-season with legitimate competition. It wasn't a motivation thing about in-team competition, it apparently either is something in his mechanics, or he gets the yips in crunch time.

[Kerb Hohl]

I don't get this line of thinking tbh. The margins in sports absolutely can matter. The Brewers make a killing in baseball by being better than 99% of teams on the margins. It's not hard to find recent examples of bubble guys/practice squad guys who had to play significant snaps for the Packers(some good, some bad)

Can you name some of these players that turned out to be anything in the NFL that the Packers were actually wrong about?

Lawrence Guy & Mike Pennel both have had long successful NFL careers after Green Bay cut them. JK Scott has turned into a really good punter. The Packers have cut several guys that went on to be successful long snapper in the NFL. Tayson Hill has been a good contributor for the Saints. Greg Van Roten was a starting OL last year.

It's also worth noting in recent years Gutey had been excellent at knowing who could sneak onto the PS, they hadn't lost someone since 2017 to waivers. This year for whatever reason was different

He knocked (probably) 3 straight drafts out of the park. It's getting harder to stash the players that we all hold dearly in our hearts on the 53...and then we forget about 98% of them by mid-September.

We've also gotten decent run out of some guys cut by other teams, I'm sure. Maybe not as much since we are still a draft & develop organization - but I'm sure there are some.

[crkone]

Sounds like LaFleur was going to have Dillon play that H Back role this season that he covets so dearly.

[Matches Malone]

I was kind of bummed about AJJ getting claimed, mainly for depth. I think Oladapo is going to see more time at LB in sub packages this year than at safety. Health will be huge but I'm excited to see Bullard and Williams get the bulk of safety minutes next to McKinney. I have a gut feeling Evan Williams is going to be a stud in this defense and wouldn't be shocked if Bullard is taking reps away from Nixon in the slot by November.

[Reddeye]

I like Gutey for sure, but he's not infallible by any means. I get that we're purely talking about depth guys here but the margins can absolutely matter in sports and acting like they don't is a line of thinking I just don't understand.

I agree the margins are important in this sport but it should be noted that these margin guys are only being discussed because the Packers were so deep at those positions that they couldn't beat out the guys ahead of them so really the big complaint seems to be "we had too many good players at those positions and had to cut a few. WTF Gute?"

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To me it's moreso the guys he kept

Zayne Anderson is a ST only guy and he isn't even good in that role, that could have gone to AJJ

There was no reason to keep 6 Edge guys, one of those could have gone to Welch who was actually a good STer last year and played good LB in camp.

I think Andre Dillard sucks and would have cut him to keep a younger OL or one of Pratt or Kalen King.

Part of it absolutely is a numbers crunch that I don't blame Gutey on(Dubose for example), but losing the depth still could hurt

So you would rather have a 6th off ball LB instead of a 6th edge guy? It must have come down to Wilson or Welch for the 5th LB spot. I see the Ravens signed Welch. Not sure if it was PS or 53?

Dillard has done well in the preseason, but he has only played well at LT.

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[Matches Malone]

Finally, a kicker who can make a field goal from the left hash. That was Anders' achilles heel.

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[MVP2110]

I agree the margins are important in this sport but it should be noted that these margin guys are only being discussed because the Packers were so deep at those positions that they couldn't beat out the guys ahead of them so really the big complaint seems to be "we had too many good players at those positions and had to cut a few. WTF Gute?"

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To me it's moreso the guys he kept

Zayne Anderson is a ST only guy and he isn't even good in that role, that could have gone to AJJ

There was no reason to keep 6 Edge guys, one of those could have gone to Welch who was actually a good STer last year and played good LB in camp.

I think Andre Dillard sucks and would have cut him to keep a younger OL or one of Pratt or Kalen King.

Part of it absolutely is a numbers crunch that I don't blame Gutey on(Dubose for example), but losing the depth still could hurt

So you would rather have a 6th off ball LB instead of a 6th edge guy? It must have come down to Wilson or Welch for the 5th LB spot. I see the Ravens signed Welch. Not sure if it was PS or 53?

Dillard has done well in the preseason, but he has only played well at LT.

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Essentially yes, we have 5 edge guys last year and the 5th barely played at all. Maybe Hafley will use Edge guys more liberally but I'm skeptical he'll ever go 5 deep at the position. That said I like both Mosby & Cox so it's whatever. I'm mostly annoyed with losing Pratt, AJJ, & Welch. But obviously Gute disagrees with me on those 3

Dillard is fine depth at LT, he's essentially useless anywhere else though and I think they could cover LT with others if it came down to it. They kept 3 backup tackles after all

[MoMM]

If Willis is truly going to be QB2 for week 1 then the decision to keep Clifford over Pratt is even more baffling

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Well, couldn't Pratt simply have said he would prefer to be on Bucs PS? He can choose, right?

[MoMM]

I don't get this line of thinking tbh. The margins in sports absolutely can matter. The Brewers make a killing in baseball by being better than 99% of teams on the margins. It's not hard to find recent examples of bubble guys/practice squad guys who had to play significant snaps for the Packers(some good, some bad)

If you're banking on a system like the brewers making these guys truly matter on a game to game basis, than you believe the guys making the decisions and doing the coaching know what they're doing...which means you trust their decisions and aren't complaining about fringe guys that likely won't matter.

I like Gutey for sure, but he's not infallible by any means. I get that we're purely talking about depth guys here but the margins can absolutely matter in sports and acting like they don't is a line of thinking I just don't understand.

Yes, margin matters, but ST too. Who will play more snaps? ST players or a 52nd/53rd depth player?

[MVP2110]

If Willis is truly going to be QB2 for week 1 then the decision to keep Clifford over Pratt is even more baffling

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Well, couldn't Pratt simply have said he would prefer to be on Bucs PS? He can choose, right?

He can but it's been reported that the Packers chose Clifford over Pratt

[MVP2110]

If you're banking on a system like the brewers making these guys truly matter on a game to game basis, than you believe the guys making the decisions and doing the coaching know what they're doing...which means you trust their decisions and aren't complaining about fringe guys that likely won't matter.

I like Gutey for sure, but he's not infallible by any means. I get that we're purely talking about depth guys here but the margins can absolutely matter in sports and acting like they don't is a line of thinking I just don't understand.

Yes, margin matters, but ST too. Who will play more snaps? ST players or a 52nd/53rd depth player?

It depends where the injuries occur during the season. The thing with Zayne is he isn't even a good STer

[Ryan5UW]

If Willis is truly going to be QB2 for week 1 then the decision to keep Clifford over Pratt is even more baffling

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Well, couldn't Pratt simply have said he would prefer to be on Bucs PS? He can choose, right?

From Florida, went to school in Louisiana - not crazy to think he might have preferred to go back closer to home (and/or away from GB winters). More likely to get a chance to play there too. Not saying he will, but I think it's more likely he'd be playing over Mayfield in 3 years than he is over Love.

[Reddeye]

Sounds like the Ravens didn't sign Welch.

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[MoMM]

If Willis is truly going to be QB2 for week 1 then the decision to keep Clifford over Pratt is even more baffling

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Well, couldn't Pratt simply have said he would prefer to be on Bucs PS? He can choose, right?

He can but it's been reported that the Packers chose Clifford over Pratt

Should we trust this source? Maybe GB just didn't want to look bad.