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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At? 

Post#1561 » by KnicksGadfly » Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:58 am

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Also, shut up, Cuban. We totally won the trade. We got the King of New York and you got the waste that was dumped by the Nets.
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Post#1562 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:50 am

8516knicks wrote:"The Center cannot hold" = Yeats

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Post#1563 » by finestrg » Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:56 am

Not sure how real this is -- just curious if you guys have seen this and discussed it already:

https://twsn.net/2024/08/the-sacramento-kings-will-trade-domantas-sabonis-to-the-new-york-knicks-3-team-trade

I was telling my buddy the other day, I know durability's an issue because he's always hurt but how about Wendell Carter Jr.? I've brought him up before as a possible big man to target. Then poking around the net, I saw this proposed trade...

So many of these trade ideas out there make little sense and you wind up laughing them off, but this isn't one of them. I feel this one legitimately helps all 3 teams.

I like Julius and I'm firmly in the camp of not just giving him away -- If we're even gonna deal him I want something back in return, never just looking to ship him out of town for nada.. NEVER... Just can't let that happen... But in this scenario, we'd definitely be getting something good back. I mean I'm a Julius fan but the reality is Sabonis is better. About an inch or 2 bigger, about a year and a half younger, a MUCH MORE EFFICIENT offensive player with little freelancing/ball-stopping (his offense comes much more in the flow), and he's an even better rebounder and defender.... They're comparable and it makes for a good argument, but for me, Sabonis is better all-around in my book.....And again I like Julius, I'm a fan!

However, I just can't get past giving up 3 impact players to get the one guy, so end of the day, I think I'd pass on this but it would be an incredibly tough pass.

Overall, I think this trade idea is a good one. Very interesting... Thoughts on this trade and also the following:

- If we did do this trade, would Sims, Hukporti, etc. be enough left over to man the middle?
- Speaking of Sims, anyone have anything on the overall improvements Sims supposedly made during the off-season? Anyone believe these rumors?
- How about a smaller trade idea for Wendell Carter by himself?
- I know it's under the bridge now and for all Leon and co/ have done, you think I'd learn to shut my mouth and not to be critical of them, but I tell ya, I just can't let go of not signing some of the good, low-cost C options that were out there -- Thomas Bryant, Jay Huff, Omer Yurtseven (I heard we actually worked Yurtseven out in July and offered him a contract, which he turned down. So what gives here -- had to have been only partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed. I mean did you really have to lowball the guy like that?).
- Still can't believe we passed on Kyle Filipowski at 25, knowing full well we probably were going to lose Hartenstein.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At? 

Post#1564 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:22 pm

finestrg wrote:Not sure how real this is -- just curious if you guys have seen this and discussed it already:

https://twsn.net/2024/08/the-sacramento-kings-will-trade-domantas-sabonis-to-the-new-york-knicks-3-team-trade

I was telling my buddy the other day, I know durability's an issue because he's always hurt but how about Wendell Carter Jr.? I've brought him up before as a possible big man to target. Then poking around the net, I saw this proposed trade...

So many of these trade ideas out there make little sense and you wind up laughing them off, but this isn't one of them. I feel this one legitimately helps all 3 teams.

I like Julius and I'm firmly in the camp of not just giving him away -- If we're even gonna deal him I want something back in return, never just looking to ship him out of town for nada.. NEVER... Just can't let that happen... But in this scenario, we'd definitely be getting something good back. I mean I'm a Julius fan but the reality is Sabonis is better. About an inch or 2 bigger, about a year and a half younger, a MUCH MORE EFFICIENT offensive player with little freelancing/ball-stopping (his offense comes much more in the flow), and he's an even better rebounder and defender.... They're comparable and it makes for a good argument, but for me, Sabonis is better all-around in my book.....And again I like Julius, I'm a fan!

However, I just can't get past giving up 3 impact players to get the one guy, so end of the day, I think I'd pass on this but it would be an incredibly tough pass.

Overall, I think this trade idea is a good one. Very interesting... Thoughts on this trade idea and also the following:

- If we did do this trade, would Sims, Hukporti, etc. be enough left over to man the middle?
- Speaking of Sims, anyone have anything on the overall improvements Sims supposedly made during the off-season? Anyone believe these rumors?
- How about a smaller trade idea for Wendell Carter by himself?
- I know it's under the bridge now and for all Leon and co/ have done, you think I'd learn to shut my mouth and not to be critical of them, but I tell ya, I just can't let go of not signing some of the good, low-cost C options that were out there -- Thomas Bryant, Jay Huff, Omer Yurtseven (I heard we actually worked Yurtseven out in July and offered him a contract, which he turned down. So what gives here -- had to have been only partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed. I mean did you really have to lowball the guy like that?).
- Still can't believe we passed on Kyle Filipowski at 25, knowing full well we probably were going to lose Hartenstein.

I’ll always be the first to try and get creative in order to bring Sabonis to NY. He is better than Randle. With that said, the package is ridiculous and Sabonis is not worth giving up that much.

He should be a target and he solves some problems in terms of ball movement. Yet he obviously cannot be the only player in return for a package of Randle, Robinson and McBride.

The page itself seems to be trash and I don’t see anything that points to its credibility.

I might like Sabonis more than Towns in general, but Towns is the better fit, better player and better trade target.
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Post#1565 » by Juco24 » Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:44 pm

finestrg wrote:Not sure how real this is -- just curious if you guys have seen this and discussed it already:

https://twsn.net/2024/08/the-sacramento-kings-will-trade-domantas-sabonis-to-the-new-york-knicks-3-team-trade

I was telling my buddy the other day, I know durability's an issue because he's always hurt but how about Wendell Carter Jr.? I've brought him up before as a possible big man to target. Then poking around the net, I saw this proposed trade...

So many of these trade ideas out there make little sense and you wind up laughing them off, but this isn't one of them. I feel this one legitimately helps all 3 teams.

I like Julius and I'm firmly in the camp of not just giving him away -- If we're even gonna deal him I want something back in return, never just looking to ship him out of town for nada.. NEVER... Just can't let that happen... But in this scenario, we'd definitely be getting something good back. I mean I'm a Julius fan but the reality is Sabonis is better. About an inch or 2 bigger, about a year and a half younger, a MUCH MORE EFFICIENT offensive player with little freelancing/ball-stopping (his offense comes much more in the flow), and he's an even better rebounder and defender.... They're comparable and it makes for a good argument, but for me, Sabonis is better all-around in my book.....And again I like Julius, I'm a fan!

However, I just can't get past giving up 3 impact players to get the one guy, so end of the day, I think I'd pass on this but it would be an incredibly tough pass.

Overall, I think this trade idea is a good one. Very interesting... Thoughts on this trade and also the following:

- If we did do this trade, would Sims, Hukporti, etc. be enough left over to man the middle?
- Speaking of Sims, anyone have anything on the overall improvements Sims supposedly made during the off-season? Anyone believe these rumors?
- How about a smaller trade idea for Wendell Carter by himself?
- I know it's under the bridge now and for all Leon and co/ have done, you think I'd learn to shut my mouth and not to be critical of them, but I tell ya, I just can't let go of not signing some of the good, low-cost C options that were out there -- Thomas Bryant, Jay Huff, Omer Yurtseven (I heard we actually worked Yurtseven out in July and offered him a contract, which he turned down. So what gives here -- had to have been only partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed. I mean did you really have to lowball the guy like that?).
- Still can't believe we passed on Kyle Filipowski at 25, knowing full well we probably were going to lose Hartenstein.


Somebody's smoking some strong weed with this bs proposal
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Post#1566 » by Wildcat » Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:51 pm

Any trade to gut the front court is a trash trade. We already have concerns on height and rebounding. Further depleting the frontcourt seems counterproductive. Especially for an offensive player when -- with a healthy team -- offense is not a problem.
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Post#1567 » by R-DAWG » Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:31 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
finestrg wrote:Not sure how real this is -- just curious if you guys have seen this and discussed it already:

https://twsn.net/2024/08/the-sacramento-kings-will-trade-domantas-sabonis-to-the-new-york-knicks-3-team-trade

I was telling my buddy the other day, I know durability's an issue because he's always hurt but how about Wendell Carter Jr.? I've brought him up before as a possible big man to target. Then poking around the net, I saw this proposed trade...

So many of these trade ideas out there make little sense and you wind up laughing them off, but this isn't one of them. I feel this one legitimately helps all 3 teams.

I like Julius and I'm firmly in the camp of not just giving him away -- If we're even gonna deal him I want something back in return, never just looking to ship him out of town for nada.. NEVER... Just can't let that happen... But in this scenario, we'd definitely be getting something good back. I mean I'm a Julius fan but the reality is Sabonis is better. About an inch or 2 bigger, about a year and a half younger, a MUCH MORE EFFICIENT offensive player with little freelancing/ball-stopping (his offense comes much more in the flow), and he's an even better rebounder and defender.... They're comparable and it makes for a good argument, but for me, Sabonis is better all-around in my book.....And again I like Julius, I'm a fan!

However, I just can't get past giving up 3 impact players to get the one guy, so end of the day, I think I'd pass on this but it would be an incredibly tough pass.

Overall, I think this trade idea is a good one. Very interesting... Thoughts on this trade idea and also the following:

- If we did do this trade, would Sims, Hukporti, etc. be enough left over to man the middle?
- Speaking of Sims, anyone have anything on the overall improvements Sims supposedly made during the off-season? Anyone believe these rumors?
- How about a smaller trade idea for Wendell Carter by himself?
- I know it's under the bridge now and for all Leon and co/ have done, you think I'd learn to shut my mouth and not to be critical of them, but I tell ya, I just can't let go of not signing some of the good, low-cost C options that were out there -- Thomas Bryant, Jay Huff, Omer Yurtseven (I heard we actually worked Yurtseven out in July and offered him a contract, which he turned down. So what gives here -- had to have been only partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed. I mean did you really have to lowball the guy like that?).
- Still can't believe we passed on Kyle Filipowski at 25, knowing full well we probably were going to lose Hartenstein.

I’ll always be the first to try and get creative in order to bring Sabonis to NY. He is better than Randle. With that said, the package is ridiculous and Sabonis is not worth giving up that much.

He should be a target and he solves some problems in terms of ball movement. Yet he obviously cannot be the only player in return for a package of Randle, Robinson and McBride.

The page itself seems to be trash and I don’t see anything that points to its credibility.

I might like Sabonis more than Towns in general, but Towns is the better fit, better player and better trade target.


I'd like Wendell Carter Jr, just not sure how to make the money work without trading Mitch - which is a lateral move at best.
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Post#1568 » by Knicksfan1992 » Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:13 pm

Sabonis is just a worse version of Randle. You guys just like him because he doesn't wear a Knick jersey :lol:
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Post#1569 » by KnicksGadfly » Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:02 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:Sabonis is just a worse version of Randle. You guys just like him because he doesn't wear a Knick jersey :lol:


I feel like our forum, like most teams, tends to like our players more when they wear our jerseys. Biggest example I can remember is us telling everyone that Eddy Curry was way better than Dwight Howard. For the Knicks FO, all they gotta do is leak who they're gonna draft and the forum will mostly talk themselves into the pick. Happened with Obi, happened with Knox. Once people lose the jersey, they get hated on more, too.

With Sabonis, realGM consensus (take that for whatever it's worth, cause it's the GB) does have Sabonis as rank 22 viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2402740 so it's not a stretch to see him as better. Now, better to the point where we gotta add in Mitch and Deuce? Crazy.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the Kings had to blow that team up later. I'm a DeRozan hater, but the man has never proved me wrong about his lack of impact.
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Post#1573 » by Loisl » Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:15 pm

finestrg wrote:Not sure how real this is -- just curious if you guys have seen this and discussed it already:

https://twsn.net/2024/08/the-sacramento-kings-will-trade-domantas-sabonis-to-the-new-york-knicks-3-team-trade

I was telling my buddy the other day, I know durability's an issue because he's always hurt but how about Wendell Carter Jr.? I've brought him up before as a possible big man to target. Then poking around the net, I saw this proposed trade...

So many of these trade ideas out there make little sense and you wind up laughing them off, but this isn't one of them. I feel this one legitimately helps all 3 teams.

I like Julius and I'm firmly in the camp of not just giving him away -- If we're even gonna deal him I want something back in return, never just looking to ship him out of town for nada.. NEVER... Just can't let that happen... But in this scenario, we'd definitely be getting something good back. I mean I'm a Julius fan but the reality is Sabonis is better. About an inch or 2 bigger, about a year and a half younger, a MUCH MORE EFFICIENT offensive player with little freelancing/ball-stopping (his offense comes much more in the flow), and he's an even better rebounder and defender.... They're comparable and it makes for a good argument, but for me, Sabonis is better all-around in my book.....And again I like Julius, I'm a fan!

However, I just can't get past giving up 3 impact players to get the one guy, so end of the day, I think I'd pass on this but it would be an incredibly tough pass.

Overall, I think this trade idea is a good one. Very interesting... Thoughts on this trade and also the following:

- If we did do this trade, would Sims, Hukporti, etc. be enough left over to man the middle?
- Speaking of Sims, anyone have anything on the overall improvements Sims supposedly made during the off-season? Anyone believe these rumors?
- How about a smaller trade idea for Wendell Carter by himself?
- I know it's under the bridge now and for all Leon and co/ have done, you think I'd learn to shut my mouth and not to be critical of them, but I tell ya, I just can't let go of not signing some of the good, low-cost C options that were out there -- Thomas Bryant, Jay Huff, Omer Yurtseven (I heard we actually worked Yurtseven out in July and offered him a contract, which he turned down. So what gives here -- had to have been only partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed. I mean did you really have to lowball the guy like that?).
- Still can't believe we passed on Kyle Filipowski at 25, knowing full well we probably were going to lose Hartenstein.


So, we trade 2 starters and an excellent, cost controlled guard off the bench and get back only
Sabonis? Who - according to the trade proposal - is a liability come playoff time. Really? :lol:
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Post#1574 » by StlHawksFan » Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:50 pm

finestrg wrote:- Still can't believe we passed on Kyle Filipowski at 25, knowing full well we probably were going to lose Hartenstein.


Why? He doesn't project to be a good NBA player. He has very short arms (shorter wingspan than his height) which never translates well in the NBA.

In fact he's just the 10th player drafted with negative length.

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Post#1575 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:13 pm

Hey, at least there was a trade idea to be talked about. It’s been terribly boring around here lately. It was a bad idea, but I don’t mind it.
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Post#1576 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:41 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
8516knicks wrote:"The Center cannot hold" = Yeats

"Mitch can't shoot" - Me :lol: :lol: :lol:


How about some Shelly?

I met a center from an redneck land,
I said—“Two broken feet and hands of stone"
Stand at the FT. . . . Near him, fans are sad,
On Thibs, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
knowing Mitch will let him down


The Romantic poets are awesome, but I'm partial to the Nantucket school
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Post#1577 » by 8516knicks » Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:28 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
8516knicks wrote:"The Center cannot hold" = Yeats

"Mitch can't shoot" - Me :lol: :lol: :lol:


How about some Shelly?

I met a center from an redneck land,
I said—“Two broken feet and hands of stone"
Stand at the FT. . . . Near him, fans are sad,
On Thibs, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
knowing Mitch will let him down


The Romantic poets are awesome, but I'm partial to the Nantucket school


Like this one?:

There once was a man from Nantucket
who went down a well in a bucket
The last words he spoke
Before the rope broke
Were " As*h*le, You bugger! and S*ck it!"
:lol:
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Post#1578 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:41 am

8516knicks wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
How about some Shelly?

I met a center from an redneck land,
I said—“Two broken feet and hands of stone"
Stand at the FT. . . . Near him, fans are sad,
On Thibs, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
knowing Mitch will let him down


The Romantic poets are awesome, but I'm partial to the Nantucket school


Like this one?:

There once was a man from Nantucket
who went down a well in a bucket
The last words he spoke
Before the rope broke
Were " As*h*le, You bugger! and S*ck it!"
:lol:

Sham with a cig in Nantucket
Watching Mitch attempt a foul line bucket....
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Post#1579 » by SelbyCobra » Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:16 pm

Sabonis just signed a 4 year extension that starts this season; he's not even worth discussing in the abstract. This trend of clickbait hypothetical trade articles, that may or may not be AI, is super annoying.
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Post#1580 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:06 pm

Have to adjust our expectations to only five yurts now

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