An early summer 2024 thread

[esqtvd]

Hmm, if there's a criticism of Lue, being an old school coach is definitely not it.

The modern NBA promotes things like positionless, small ball, switching, spreading the floor, efficient 3PT shooting, analytics, none of those things are ones we can even say that Lue does not embrace. Clippers under Lue have been very in tune with many of those even.

Now everyone can have their own opinion about a coaches execution of certain things, and Lue can certainly get that part wrong, but Lue is in no way a stuck in the past coach lol

Well, I was trying to be nice. I clear the slate and give everybody a fresh chance every new season.

But the offensive glass thing is true. I don't know exactly how to fix it but I see what I see and the numbers don't lie.

[og15]

Hmm, if there's a criticism of Lue, being an old school coach is definitely not it.

The modern NBA promotes things like positionless, small ball, switching, spreading the floor, efficient 3PT shooting, analytics, none of those things are ones we can even say that Lue does not embrace. Clippers under Lue have been very in tune with many of those even.

Now everyone can have their own opinion about a coaches execution of certain things, and Lue can certainly get that part wrong, but Lue is in no way a stuck in the past coach lol

Well, I was trying to be nice. I clear the slate and give everybody a fresh chance every new season.

But the offensive glass thing is true. I don't know exactly how to fix it but I see what I see and the numbers don't lie.

Sometimes it's just personnel, though other factors can be there.

DRB% rank since 2019:
19-20: 15th
20-21: 6th
21-22: 30th
22-23: 11th
23-24: 23rd

In 20-21 they had basically 48 minutes of either Zubac or Hartenstein, so I'm assuming that's a big factor in that rank. They were pretty good in 22-23, can't pinpoint without more examination what was the biggest issue last season though.

[esqtvd]

Hmm, if there's a criticism of Lue, being an old school coach is definitely not it.

The modern NBA promotes things like positionless, small ball, switching, spreading the floor, efficient 3PT shooting, analytics, none of those things are ones we can even say that Lue does not embrace. Clippers under Lue have been very in tune with many of those even.

Now everyone can have their own opinion about a coaches execution of certain things, and Lue can certainly get that part wrong, but Lue is in no way a stuck in the past coach lol

Well, I was trying to be nice. I clear the slate and give everybody a fresh chance every new season.

But the offensive glass thing is true. I don't know exactly how to fix it but I see what I see and the numbers don't lie.

Sometimes it's just personnel, though other factors can be there.

DRB% rank since 2019:
19-20: 15th
20-21: 6th
21-22: 30th
22-23: 11th
23-24: 23rd

In 20-21 they had basically 48 minutes of either Zubac or Hartenstein, so I'm assuming that's a big factor in that rank. They were pretty good in 22-23, can't pinpoint without more examination what was the biggest issue last season though.

Thanks for a great and substantive replay as usual, OG. And let me get your back on this.

I once did a deep stat drop on Hartenstein's minutes from 2020-21 and the Clippers were in the PLUS with him on the floor. Even BETTER than Zu iirc. Next year with anyone else--it was a major abortion.

The greatest personnel F-up of the 213 Era. I won't even go into the charge that the FO let Hartenstein go to sign J-Wall. A way could have been found to keep both. We're talking $10M here, not 40.

Once again, I blame Ballmer. The Buck Stops Here. There's nothing worse than a hands-on owner, and every move [and NON-move] has his fingerprints on it.

Steve Ballmer IS Jerry Jones. Neither one knows what the hell they're doing. And they each own the most expensive arenas in their leagues! And they're still making a profit!!!

[MartinToVaught]

The buck for the Hartenstein/Wall debacle stops with PG more than anyone else. He was in the "I'm handling the ball too much" phase of the Paul George Excuse Cycle at the time and forced the FO to sign yet another one of his washed-up buddies to play point guard at all costs. Where Ballmer and Frank do deserve blame is for neing too deferential to mediocre "stars" and their demands.

[playaloc916]

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6'9", 240 lb 4/5 with no real talent except being big.

Teach 'em every dirty trick in the book, Amir!!

Wow, what a random hiring... Thinking back when he was on the Raptors, I thought he was a good rebounder, but after looking at his stats, seems pretty average. Maybe they should look at Chris Wilcox... I remember him being a double double threat if he was able to stay on the floor.

[esqtvd]

The buck for the Hartenstein/Wall debacle stops with PG more than anyone else. He was in the "I'm handling the ball too much" phase of the Paul George Excuse Cycle at the time and forced the FO to sign yet another one of his washed-up buddies to play point guard at all costs. Where Ballmer and Frank do deserve blame is for neing too deferential to mediocre "stars" and their demands.

Well, PG hated playing point guard. And got a lot of hate when he didn't play it all that well.

Everything would have been fixed if T-Mann could play point guard but he can't. The team admittedly played better with Mann as the starter [mostly because he was the best of the rest] but PG was exhausted covering for him. He didn't play as well personally and the game was no fun.

And Kawhi was onboard too. So when your two top talents are killing themselves covering for another player's deficiencies, you have to keep them happy and do something about it.



It doesn't mean T-Mann is a bad person or even that he sucks. But you is what you is and you ain't what you ain't, and what he ain't is a playmaker. And that's also what made the Beard trade so crucial--that team was going nowhere without one.

[ejftw]

The pride of Westchester on the coaching staff is pretty cool

[Ballings7]

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Every day, I'm more and more thankful we're not the ones stuck paying a max contract for this guy.

lol Paul George it seems?

[Ballings7]

Wish the season could start now.

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Luv the JVG stuff.

[KL2]

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[Roscoe Sheed]

I think that's a good deal and pretty fair for both sides- he is probably worth about $20 mill a year

[Clemenza]

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A bargain and he's going to have to be our 3rd option on offense this year

[Clemenza]

Well, I was trying to be nice. I clear the slate and give everybody a fresh chance every new season.

But the offensive glass thing is true. I don't know exactly how to fix it but I see what I see and the numbers don't lie.

Sometimes it's just personnel, though other factors can be there.

DRB% rank since 2019:
19-20: 15th
20-21: 6th
21-22: 30th
22-23: 11th
23-24: 23rd

In 20-21 they had basically 48 minutes of either Zubac or Hartenstein, so I'm assuming that's a big factor in that rank. They were pretty good in 22-23, can't pinpoint without more examination what was the biggest issue last season though.

Thanks for a great and substantive replay as usual, OG. And let me get your back on this.

I once did a deep stat drop on Hartenstein's minutes from 2020-21 and the Clippers were in the PLUS with him on the floor. Even BETTER than Zu iirc. Next year with anyone else--it was a major abortion.

The greatest personnel F-up of the 213 Era. I won't even go into the charge that the FO let Hartenstein go to sign J-Wall. A way could have been found to keep both. We're talking $10M here, not 40.

Once again, I blame Ballmer. The Buck Stops Here. There's nothing worse than a hands-on owner, and every move [and NON-move] has his fingerprints on it.

Steve Ballmer IS Jerry Jones. Neither one knows what the hell they're doing. And they each own the most expensive arenas in their leagues! And they're still making a profit!!! :rofl2:

You're 65% right, but let me see if he can rectify and make right of this sticky situation that were in now. If he screws this up with a couple of bad decisions or moves then he's 100% the Jerry Jones of basketball.

[TrueLAfan]

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A bargain and he's going to have to be our 3rd option on offense this year

Bargain is right. It's a good deal for everyone. This effectively gives Zu a 4 year/$70 million contract--which is pretty close to the MLE amount. He's a starter, high-percentage shooter that scores pretty well, and is effective against most matchups. Most important for us--the guy is available. Good resigning.

[og15]

The buck for the Hartenstein/Wall debacle stops with PG more than anyone else. He was in the "I'm handling the ball too much" phase of the Paul George Excuse Cycle at the time and forced the FO to sign yet another one of his washed-up buddies to play point guard at all costs. Where Ballmer and Frank do deserve blame is for neing too deferential to mediocre "stars" and their demands.

Every Clippers fan complained about Paul George at point guard. Out of desperation the team was trying to make a career SF into a point guard in his 30's because the team had minimal playmaking.

They tried Reggie, Rondo, etc. A narrative that this was PG's fault is kind of hilarious considering fans were saying the exact same thing, Kawhi was saying the exact same thing, the coaching was saying the exact same thing and the management were saying the exact same thing.

But it was PG who was so powerful that he strong armed them into making bad decisions lol

[Bobbymcgee]

Good deal for Zubac. I was afraid he was going to want closer to 30 million a year considering what Hartenstein got.

[KL2]

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Oh boy. Was looking at going next door?

[esqtvd]

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Oh boy. Was looking at going next door?

Max contract, no-trade clause.

I'm not feeling the hometown discount here.

[Roscoe Sheed]

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Oh boy. Was looking at going next door?

people have such blindspots for themselves and their loved ones- I don't begrudge PG for leaving- I'd probably do the same if I was him especially because the Clippers wouldn't give him a no trade clause, but they shouldn't bad mouth the Clippers for offering him the same deal Kawhi got. It would be foolish for them to offer him more and ruin their ability to make trades due to the second apron. Perhaps they should have offered him a no trade clause on a 3 year deal, but it doesn't sound like that was ever on the table- so how did they do him dirty exactly?

[Bobbymcgee]

Curious to see how much Terrance Mann gets. IMO I don't think he deserves the same pay bump Zubac got.