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Re: 2024 WNBA Season Discussion Thread 

Post#1941 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:33 am

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sikma42 wrote:Watched maybe 10 Aja Wilson games this year…honestly think Stewie is better than her. I don’t see how people think she’s GOAT tier

She shoots a lot and really takes advantages of matchups, when she has them. But for big portions of games she just floats around shooting 2 point jumps shots.


Stewie versatility is what makes her different than A'ja. Similar size but can play the wings


Stewie is a stretch 4, A'ja is a more traditional 4 that has a good midrange game. Both are elite defensively
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Re: 2024 WNBA Season Discussion Thread 

Post#1942 » by RSCD3_ » Sat Sep 14, 2024 2:50 pm

cdubbz wrote:5 games today baby!!

Mystics vs Dream is definitely interesting to me because Mystics own the Dream draft pick. Sky are facing the Lynx and will most likely lose. Mystics have a better shot at the Paige Bueckers sweepstakes if they had both lottery picks.


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The two previous season records for lottery picks are really close between the 2nd, 3rd and 4th best odds RN

LA 24-53 44.2
DAL 31-47 27.6
ATL 31-46 17.4
CHI 31-46 10.4

and the playoffs are

WAS 13-24
CHI 13-24
ATL 12-25
DAL 9-29
LA 7-30

Chicago is also 31-46 but if they miss the playoffs presumably they'd also have a worse 2 year record than WAS/ATL

So ideally for Washington, Dallas passes by one of the two teams above them, so they'd have the second best combined odds

RN the final schedule for both teams is

Dallas: AT IND, AT LV
WAS: VS ATL, VS NY, VS IND
ATL: AT WAS, VS CHI, AT NY
CHI: VS PHX, AT ATL, AT CON

WAS has the tiebreaker vs CHI so if they finish with the same record than Washington will make it there are various situations at play

1. WAS wins out, doesn't matter what the others do, they make the playoffs RESULT: WASHINGTON
2. WAS Goes 2-1, ATL goes 3-0 (beating WAS), CHI goes 2-1 (losing to WAS), everyone is at 15-25; H2H records between one team and the other 2 are as follows, Washington 6-3 total (3-1 Vs CHI, 3-2 Vs ATL), Chicago 3-5 (1-3 Vs CHI, 2-2 Vs ATL), Atlanta 4-5 (2-3 Vs WAS, 2-2 Vs CHI) Washington has the tiebreaker if they all tie at 15-25 RESULT: WASHINGTON
3. WAS Goes 2-1, ATL goes 3-0 (beating WAS), Chicago goes 1-2 or 0-3, Washington and Atlanta tie at 15-25, H2H is tied at 2-2 so we move into the next record which is in conference games, Washington would be 8-12, and Atlanta would be 7-13 therefore WAS has the tiebreaker RESULT: WASHINGTON
4. WAS Goes 2-1, ATL goes 2-1 or worse, CHI goes 3-0, tiebreaker: Washington leads Chicago 3-1, RESULT: WASHINGTON
5. WAS goes 2-1, ATL goes 2-1 or worse, and Chicago goes 2-1, both Chicago and Washington tie at 15-25, Washington has the H2H tiebreaker at 3-1 vs CHI, RESULT: WASHINGTON
6. WAS goes 2-1, ATL goes 2-1 or worse, and Chicago goes 1-2 or 0-3. Washington alone at 15-25 RESULT: WASHINGTON
7. WAS goes 1-2, ATL goes 3-0, Chicago goes 2-1 (losing to Washington). Both Chicago and Washington tie at 15-25, Tiebreaker between them would be tied at a 2-2 record, so it would go to conference record. CHI 6-14 VS ATL 7-13 RESULT: ATLANTA
8. WAS goes 1-2, ATL goes 3-0 and Chicago goes 1-2 or 0-3. Atlanta Alone at 15-25 RESULT: ATLANTA
9. WAS goes 1-2, ATL goes 2-1, and Chicago goes 3-0(beating ATL), Chicago Alone at 15-25 RESULT: CHI
10. WAS goes 1-2 (losing to ATL), ATL goes 2-1(losing to CHI, Beating Washington), and Chicago goes 2-1(beating ATL) everyone tied at 14-26, H2H records between one team and the other 2 are as follows, Washington 5-4 total (3-1 Vs CHI, 2-3 Vs ATL), Chicago 4-5 (1-3 Vs CHI, 3-1 Vs ATL), Atlanta 3-6 (2-3 Vs WAS, 1-3 Vs CHI), I've run the simulations for any other W-L permutations for Chicago, Atlanta and Washington and Washington's tiebreaker wins no matter what even if Atlanta wins both and Washington loses they still have the best H2H RESULT: WASHINGTON
11. WAS goes 1-2, ATL goes 2-1, Chicago goes 1-2 or 0-3, Tied at 14-26 for WAS and ATL, Washington leads H2H 3-1 currently so even with a loss to Atlanta they still would have the tiebreaker at 3-2 RESULT: WASHINGTON
12. WAS goes 1-2, ATL goes 1-2 or 0-3, Chicago goes 2-1, Tied at 14-26 for CHI and WAS, WAS has the tiebreak 3-1 RESULT: WASHINGTON
13. WAS goes 0-3, ATL goes 2-1 or 3-0, Chicago goes 1-2 or 0-3, Atlanta alone at 14-26/15-25 RESULT: ATLANTA
14. WAS goes 0-3 ATL goes 1-2 or 0-3, Chicago goes 2-1 or 3-0, Chicago alone at 14-26/15-25 RESULT: CHICAGO
15. WAS goes 0-3 ATL goes 2-1, Chicago goes 3-0, Chicago alone at 15-25 RESULT: CHICAGO
16. WAS goes 0-3 ATL goes 3-0, Chicago goes 2-1, Chicago alone at 15-25 RESULT: ATLANTA
17. WAS goes 0-3, ATL goes 2-1 (losing to Chicago), Chicago goes 2-1 (beating Atlanta), tied at 14-26, tiebreaker goes to Chicago with the better head to head at 3-1, RESULT: CHICAGO
18. WAS goes 0-3, ATL goes 2-1 (beating Chicago), Chicago goes 2-1 (losing Atlanta), tied at 14-26, tiebreaker is 2-2 so conference record is the next tiebreaker and ATL is 6-14 and CHI is 6-14 also so we need to go one step further to the the third tiebreaker which is vs +.500 opponents so in this case where Indiana counts as they beat WAS to make it to 0.500, ATL (4-18 if they lose to NY, 5-17 if they beat NY) vs CHI (5-17 since they need to beat Connecticut to go 2-1) IF NY BEATS ATL, RESULT: CHICAGO, IF ATL BEATS NY they go to a 4TH TIEBREAKER OMG which is point differential but Atlanta is already winning that by 8 so if they win they'll be 9+ regardless and thus we don't have to worry about a "Atlanta must win by this many points" type discussion, this minutiae has gone far enough RESULT: ATLANTA
16. WAS goes 0-3, ATL and CHI go 1-2 Tiebreaker: WAS, RESULT: WASHINGTON
17. WAS goes 0-3, ATL goes 1-2, Tiebreaker: WAS RESULT: WASHINGTON
18. WAS goes 0-3, ATL goes 0-3, CHI goes 1-2, Tiebreaker: WAS RESULT: WASHINGTON

What I get from this is if Washington wins two games it's clinched because . If go 1-2 and both CHI and ATL lose a game it's clinched

Washington magic number is 3 I think, I went pretty far into this
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Re: 2024 WNBA Season Discussion Thread 

Post#1943 » by cdubbz » Sat Sep 14, 2024 3:46 pm

I just learned that unrestricted free agents are usually not part of an expansion draft. I wonder if the WNBA will make new rules especially for the Toronto expansion where almost everyone is a free agent
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Post#1944 » by Green Chile » Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:37 pm

hermes wrote:do the sky run the pick and roll with cardoso a lot? it just worked out great because the lynx paid so much attention to cardoso that allen was able to just cruise right in for a layup


They seem to be more and more. They don't have a lot of other ways to create space, and she's a nice 6'7" target rolling to the basket.

Sky obviously weren't going to win in Minny, but they did look great for a quarter and a half. Actually it was right when Chennedy and Kardoso took a breather in the 2nd that you guys took off and never stopped.
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Re: 2024 WNBA Season Discussion Thread 

Post#1945 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:57 pm

cdubbz wrote:I just learned that unrestricted free agents are usually not part of an expansion draft. I wonder if the WNBA will make new rules especially for the Toronto expansion where almost everyone is a free agent


That's pretty interesting. I wonder how they planned for this
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Post#1946 » by cdubbz » Sun Sep 15, 2024 5:07 pm

Full lineup today!!

Anyone know any reasoning for the WNBA awful scheduling? Has it always been like this where 1 day there is zero games and the next day every team is playing with several games at the same time?

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Post#1947 » by Ice Man » Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:25 pm

The Fever are looking very small right now. Wow are they getting bullied in the paint.
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Post#1948 » by cdubbz » Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:33 pm

Ice Man wrote:The Fever are looking very small right now (after the first quarter). Like, have them shop in the petite section. Wow are they getting bullied in the paint.


They def need some beef next to Boston. I like Fagbenle and Dantas as backup bigs though, but they're getting demolished.
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Post#1949 » by Ice Man » Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:37 pm

Clark is playing well, but she just conceded a fast-break layuup because she was whining to the official instead of getting back on defense. That's Zach LaVine level. That can't happen.
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Post#1950 » by Ice Man » Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:39 pm

cdubbz wrote: I like Fagbenle and Dantas as backup bigs though, but they're getting demolished.


As, of course, is Smith. Boston is trying to defend the paint (and grab the defensive boards) all by her lonesome.
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Post#1951 » by Ice Man » Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:42 pm

I don't understand that call. Howard wards off Boston while battling for a rebound with a forearm to throat, and Boston is at fault? After review? I must have missed something. Well OK .. now McCowan gets called for a fake foul on Boston. All even.
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Post#1952 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:46 pm

cdubbz wrote:Full lineup today!!

Anyone know any reasoning for the WNBA awful scheduling? Has it always been like this where 1 day there is zero games and the next day every team is playing with several games at the same time?

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This is embarrassing

Whoever makes these scheduling decisions sucks. I'm sorry, this is unacceptable.

Why is a WNBA game on X? The same X platform that is basically 4chan now full of nazis and literal porn and open prostitution solicitation (i am pro sex work, but not when it involves places where children can see it)???? Is this what we want the brand associated with?

I don't know who else to blame but Cathy for this. I don't have a lot of faith in her. Am I wrong for feeling like this?

And yes, I am also angry because I just saw the box score and the Lynx are giving my Liberty their comeuppance. :nonono: I'm MAD.
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Post#1953 » by Ice Man » Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:48 pm

This game is Indy's guards torching Dallas, and OMG is every Dallas forward/center destroying Indy's frontcourt. Man, what a shootout.
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Post#1954 » by hermes » Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:05 pm

looks like we had a good half
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Post#1955 » by hermes » Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:06 pm

oh no, dorka with a foot injury
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Post#1956 » by hermes » Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:10 pm

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cdubbz wrote:Full lineup today!!

Anyone know any reasoning for the WNBA awful scheduling? Has it always been like this where 1 day there is zero games and the next day every team is playing with several games at the same time?

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This is embarrassing

Whoever makes these scheduling decisions sucks. I'm sorry, this is unacceptable.

Why is a WNBA game on X? The same X platform that is basically 4chan now full of nazis and literal porn and open prostitution solicitation (i am pro sex work, but not when it involves places where children can see it)???? Is this what we want the brand associated with?

I don't know who else to blame but Cathy for this. I don't have a lot of faith in her. Am I wrong for feeling like this?

i think this is an example of the old way of doing things in the wnba (maybe still the current way), which was mostly just getting by and doing what they could to stay relevant. likely didn't have any pull to get better outcomes because barely anyone used to watch the games.

now that there is more visibility more people are seeing the problems. the league is at an inflection point, and might have a little leverage to get some better outcomes for themselves if they can fight for them. whether the right people are in the right places to do it - i don't know
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Post#1957 » by hermes » Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:11 pm

lynx are eating the liberty's lunch right now
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Post#1958 » by hermes » Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:16 pm

bridget is on fire today
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Post#1959 » by cupcakesnake » Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:17 pm

Just tuned into the Minny-New York game. What happened?
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Post#1960 » by Ice Man » Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:17 pm

Boston is seeing the floor really well today.

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