Woj: Knicks sign Shamet

[Cappy_Smurf]

I'm not at all concerned if you take me seriously. Feel free not to.

I'm taken seriously here. People know I'm not just here for jokes or memes. The only people who say they don't take me serious are fans of a team that I am saying something they don't like about. .

Lol, you seem to be a bit concerned.

Just sayin'.

[zimpy27]

The roster is extremely unbalanced.

Brunson/Cam/Kolek
Mikal/Donte/Deuce/Shamet/Kevin(2w)
OG/Hart/KBP/Pacome/
Randle/Precious/Jacob (2w)
Mitch/Sims/Ariel(2w)

I could see 2 of the sub-$3m PG-SF players being moved in a deal for Kessler.

[R-DAWG]

The roster is extremely unbalanced.

Brunson/Cam/Kolek
Mikal/Donte/Deuce/Shamet/Kevin(2w)
OG/Hart/KBP/Pacome/
Randle/Precious/Jacob (2w)
Mitch/Sims/Ariel(2w)

I could see 2 of the sub-$3m PG-SF players being moved in a deal for Kessler.

Duce for Kessler is the deal that makes the most sense for NY. Kolek/Payne are fine for 15 MPG as backup PG and with Bridges/Anunoby/Randle backed up by DDV/Hart there is a real need for Duce at the 2. Shamet/KBD are fine as regular season depth pieces.

Only problem is Utah has to agree to trade Kessler for Duce - or come up with some kind of 3 team package.

The best outcome for NY would be turning Duce into Kessler after Kolek establishes himself as a capable NBA level backup.

[JayTWill]

Just out of curiosity is there a deal that you could see being on the table that the Knicks would be willing to move DDV or Hart for this year?

Yeah its so hard to know what centers will be available who are worth moving for. Obviously guys like Capela, JV, Robert Williams, Vuc, Carter Jr, Poeltl, Kessler are all some level of available and could be salary matched and wouldn't cost assets New York no longer has. But none of those guys really feel worth disrupting the chemistry over, right?

But there is always some difference maker who becomes available and with the Knicks looking so strong but a center away, its not unlikely that a center would tell his agent, get me to New York, which certainly helps.

But is that Brook Lopez? Jaret Allen? Claxton? a Minnesota center? IDK.

I just know if a center was made available that I thought would be my missing piece, I'd trade my 7th man for him even if its one of those two guys. I could be wrong. But I have to think the Knicks wouldn't make those guys completely off-limits.

But I get why Spree feels how he does as a fan. I love that team and I have zero loyalties to the Knicks. But they are so fun to watch. I'd want the team to win with those guys. I'm sad Dallas made the finals and Dorian wasn't still part of it. Or Brunson for sure. But I also understand even beloved guys get dealt is all.

Ignoring any concerns about disrupting chemistry I would love to see you create a trade that upgrades the center position for the Knicks and would require the involvement of Hart or DDV that makes sense for all parties involved.

[Richard4444]

Just out of curiosity is there a deal that you could see being on the table that the Knicks would be willing to move DDV or Hart for this year?

Yeah its so hard to know what centers will be available who are worth moving for. Obviously guys like Capela, JV, Robert Williams, Vuc, Carter Jr, Poeltl, Kessler are all some level of available and could be salary matched and wouldn't cost assets New York no longer has. But none of those guys really feel worth disrupting the chemistry over, right?

But there is always some difference maker who becomes available and with the Knicks looking so strong but a center away, its not unlikely that a center would tell his agent, get me to New York, which certainly helps.

But is that Brook Lopez? Jaret Allen? Claxton? a Minnesota center? IDK.

I just know if a center was made available that I thought would be my missing piece, I'd trade my 7th man for him even if its one of those two guys. I could be wrong. But I have to think the Knicks wouldn't make those guys completely off-limits.

But I get why Spree feels how he does as a fan. I love that team and I have zero loyalties to the Knicks. But they are so fun to watch. I'd want the team to win with those guys. I'm sad Dallas made the finals and Dorian wasn't still part of it. Or Brunson for sure. But I also understand even beloved guys get dealt is all.

Ignoring any concerns about disrupting chemistry I would love to see you create a trade that upgrades the center position for the Knicks and would require the involvement of Hart or DDV that makes sense for all parties involved.

Currently only Wemby, Joker or Chet could make the Front Office give away Hart or DDV for a Center upgrade (considering AD and Embiid can break at any moment). The front office looks seriously committed to the Nova connection. Of course, losses can make them change their minds.

[zimpy27]

The roster is extremely unbalanced.

Brunson/Cam/Kolek
Mikal/Donte/Deuce/Shamet/Kevin(2w)
OG/Hart/KBP/Pacome/
Randle/Precious/Jacob (2w)
Mitch/Sims/Ariel(2w)

I could see 2 of the sub-$3m PG-SF players being moved in a deal for Kessler.

Duce for Kessler is the deal that makes the most sense for NY. Kolek/Payne are fine for 15 MPG as backup PG and with Bridges/Anunoby/Randle backed up by DDV/Hart there is a real need for Duce at the 2. Shamet/KBD are fine as regular season depth pieces.

Only problem is Utah has to agree to trade Kessler for Duce - or come up with some kind of 3 team package.

The best outcome for NY would be turning Duce into Kessler after Kolek establishes himself as a capable NBA level backup.

Don't know if I agree. Miles might be better than Payne and Kolek at the 1. Don't think Knicks would want to get worse at the 1 if Utah have no interest in Miles. Utah have a ton of guards, see no reason for them to have interest

[JayTWill]

I found this in regards to Shamet's contract but i'm not sure how reliable the source is but NBA.com also reports that he has been signed to an Exhibit 9 contract

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I know the Knicks had previously signed Chuma Okeke to an unguaranteed exhibit 10 contract. I had no idea there was also an exhibit 9 contract. Are there exhibits 8.7,6.... contracts also?(Edit - No there are not)

[R-DAWG]

I could see 2 of the sub-$3m PG-SF players being moved in a deal for Kessler.

Duce for Kessler is the deal that makes the most sense for NY. Kolek/Payne are fine for 15 MPG as backup PG and with Bridges/Anunoby/Randle backed up by DDV/Hart there is a real need for Duce at the 2. Shamet/KBD are fine as regular season depth pieces.

Only problem is Utah has to agree to trade Kessler for Duce - or come up with some kind of 3 team package.

The best outcome for NY would be turning Duce into Kessler after Kolek establishes himself as a capable NBA level backup.

Don't know if I agree. Miles might be better than Payne and Kolek at the 1. Don't think Knicks would want to get worse at the 1 if Utah have no interest in Miles. Utah have a ton of guards, see no reason for them to have interest

Miles isn’t a 1. He’s somewhere between an undersized 2 and a combo guard.

He needs to earn the minutes at point guard.

[cgf]

The roster is extremely unbalanced.

Brunson/Cam/Kolek
Mikal/Donte/Deuce/Shamet/Kevin(2w)
OG/Hart/KBP/Pacome/
Randle/Precious/Jacob (2w)
Mitch/Sims/Ariel(2w)

I could see 2 of the sub-$3m PG-SF players being moved in a deal for Kessler.

Duce for Kessler is the deal that makes the most sense for NY. Kolek/Payne are fine for 15 MPG as backup PG and with Bridges/Anunoby/Randle backed up by DDV/Hart there is a real need for Duce at the 2. Shamet/KBD are fine as regular season depth pieces.

Only problem is Utah has to agree to trade Kessler for Duce - or come up with some kind of 3 team package.

The best outcome for NY would be turning Duce into Kessler after Kolek establishes himself as a capable NBA level backup.

Dadiet + contract makes more sense. Deuce can actually help this year.

[cgf]

Duce for Kessler is the deal that makes the most sense for NY. Kolek/Payne are fine for 15 MPG as backup PG and with Bridges/Anunoby/Randle backed up by DDV/Hart there is a real need for Duce at the 2. Shamet/KBD are fine as regular season depth pieces.

Only problem is Utah has to agree to trade Kessler for Duce - or come up with some kind of 3 team package.

The best outcome for NY would be turning Duce into Kessler after Kolek establishes himself as a capable NBA level backup.

Don't know if I agree. Miles might be better than Payne and Kolek at the 1. Don't think Knicks would want to get worse at the 1 if Utah have no interest in Miles. Utah have a ton of guards, see no reason for them to have interest

Miles isn’t a 1. He’s somewhere between an undersized 2 and a combo guard.

He needs to earn the minutes at point guard.

And yet that’s where Thibs plays him.

[R-DAWG]

Don't know if I agree. Miles might be better than Payne and Kolek at the 1. Don't think Knicks would want to get worse at the 1 if Utah have no interest in Miles. Utah have a ton of guards, see no reason for them to have interest

Miles isn’t a 1. He’s somewhere between an undersized 2 and a combo guard.

He needs to earn the minutes at point guard.

And yet that’s where Thibs plays him.

This offseason the organization (a) drafted a backup point guard (b) attempted to use the TMLE on Tyus Jones and (c) ended up signing a vet backup PG. Reading between the lines they don't want to roll with Duce as the backup point guard

And with Bridges in the mix - I'm not sure if there are minutes at the off guard spot, unless your giving Duce minutes over DVV.

Love Duce, always love homegrown guys who overachieve. But i'm not finding the minutes for him on this roster.

[zimpy27]

Miles isn’t a 1. He’s somewhere between an undersized 2 and a combo guard.

He needs to earn the minutes at point guard.

And yet that’s where Thibs plays him.

This offseason the organization (a) drafted a backup point guard (b) attempted to use the TMLE on Tyus Jones and (c) ended up signing a vet backup PG. Reading between the lines they don't want to roll with Duce as the backup point guard

And with Bridges in the mix - I'm not sure if there are minutes at the off guard spot, unless your giving Duce minutes over DVV.

Love Duce, always love homegrown guys who overachieve. But i'm not finding the minutes for him on this roster.

They have also have 3 other SGs though by your logic Miles isn't an SG.

Given that Miles last played as PG I am still putting him there until he plays a different role.

[cgf]

Miles isn’t a 1. He’s somewhere between an undersized 2 and a combo guard.

He needs to earn the minutes at point guard.

And yet that’s where Thibs plays him.

This offseason the organization (a) drafted a backup point guard (b) attempted to use the TMLE on Tyus Jones and (c) ended up signing a vet backup PG. Reading between the lines they don't want to roll with Duce as the backup point guard

And with Bridges in the mix - I'm not sure if there are minutes at the off guard spot, unless your giving Duce minutes over DVV.

Love Duce, always love homegrown guys who overachieve. But i'm not finding the minutes for him on this roster.

Reading between the lines is a great way to get hit by a train. I prefer Occam’s razor.

They drafted a PG…after drafting a big wing…because they liked that PG more than any one else on the board.

They offered Tyus Jones the MLE because he was the best talent on the market for them to throw that exception at.

They signed a vet depth PG…as well as some vet depth wings…because the team needed cheap depth.


Or was the drafting of 2 wings, trading for 2 wings, and signing of 2 wings, done because the organization wants to get rid of OG & Hart?

[Toine85]

I’m not sure how anyone who wants to be taken seriously could suggest any of the Nova guys have a chance at being traded.

I'm not at all concerned if you take me seriously. Feel free not to.

I'm assuming the Knicks organization is interested in competing for a title more than they are Villanova class reunions and that if a deal came up they believed made them better they would trade one of the guys they have upgraded. And for the record I don't take seriously the notion that all those Nova guys are going to retire as Knicks.

Multiple things can be true at the same time. The Knicks would prefer not to trade any over the Nova guys right now. But the Knicks also have major question marks in the front court and limited ways to take on salary or add value in a trade.

I think the most recent signings of Cam Payne and Shamet show that Duce McBride is being dangled for big man help. But if they can’t do that and the front court is a real issue, there might be no choice but to trade Hart or DDV and have McBride/Shamet play 15-20 MPG.

Winning a championship and keeping the Nova guys are not mutually exclusive. I agree that both can be true at the same time. Remember, they traded Ryan Arcidiacono to get better. So unless it’s a no-brainer, they aren’t going to trade the Nova guys. I definitely see depth as the Knicks strength as well as team chemistry:

Brunson (Nova) / Deuce / Kolek
Mikal (Nova) / DDV (Nova) / Cam Payne (Mikal’s buddy)
OG / Josh Hart (Nova) / Dadiet
Randle / Achiuwa / Bates-Diop
Mitch / Sims / most likely Marcus Morris