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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#961 » by Ice Man » Mon Sep 23, 2024 12:08 am

rmontro wrote:Garbage.


Garbage defense. It was first a layup drill for the Sun, and then at the end a 3 point drill. However, the offense wasn't bad. If Clark/Mitchell had shot 8-23 on 3s, which is slightly below their average percentage, the Fever would have scored 81 points, which is pretty good against the Sun. Enough to win for a good defensive team. But the Fever are far from that.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#962 » by jc23 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:46 am

The Fever will win game two or they will be out of the playoffs

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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#963 » by Ice Man » Mon Sep 23, 2024 11:27 am

One thing I have noticed with not only the Fever but throughout the WNBA is that almost no charges are called. It's not because the referees call things differently, it's because WNBA defenders seem unable to get in front of a player who is barreling toward the rim. Of course the Fever are complete matadors in such situations, except for Hull, because their bigs lack mobility and their guards (Clark and Mitchell) are not instinctive defenders. So they are an extreme example. But overall, just so few charges.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#964 » by cdubbz » Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:02 pm

Lexie Hull posted on her IG story a pic of Veronica Burton (Sun) and a mystics player? I think it's cool to see that players even in playoffs hang out with each other :lol:
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#965 » by rmontro » Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:52 am

Ice Man wrote:Garbage defense. It was first a layup drill for the Sun, and then at the end a 3 point drill. However, the offense wasn't bad. If Clark/Mitchell had shot 8-23 on 3s, which is slightly below their average percentage, the Fever would have scored 81 points, which is pretty good against the Sun. Enough to win for a good defensive team. But the Fever are far from that.

It's hard to see how/if the Fever are going to move up into the upper tier of teams. They're young and improving, but they don't seem to have the right makeup of a championship team. Not sure they have the right coach either. I guess they have to make whatever changes during the offseason they can, and go from there. A series of fine tunings, I guess. Sides originally said something about teams who had the number one pick need five seasons before they win the championship.

You're right though, that if Clark and Mitchell hadn't had off days shooting, it wouldn't have looked quite so heinous. Clark did have that eye injury, maybe that was bugging her more than she let on.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#966 » by rmontro » Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:59 am

During the playoff game, the announcers were talking about the "Caitlin Clark Effect", how she was bringing new eyes to the WNBA. They said something along the lines of "Come for Clark and the Fever, stay for the other players, and fall in love with the other teams". I was thinking yeah no, who has a favorite team they follow and falls in love with the other teams? In the NFL, I'm a Packer fan. Do you think I've fallen in love with the Bears, Lions, and Vikings. Oh hell no. I might respect them on some level, but I'm certainly not in love with them.

Some people are interested mainly in the league as a whole, and that's great. But for me, I'm here to see the Fever and how they develop. Once they're eliminated, I doubt I watch many playoff games, if any. I'll probably keep track of who stays in and who ends up winning, but that's about it.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#967 » by cdubbz » Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:53 am

rmontro wrote:During the playoff game, the announcers were talking about the "Caitlin Clark Effect", how she was bringing new eyes to the WNBA. They said something along the lines of "Come for Clark and the Fever, stay for the other players, and fall in love with the other teams". I was thinking yeah no, who has a favorite team they follow and falls in love with the other teams? In the NFL, I'm a Packer fan. Do you think I've fallen in love with the Bears, Lions, and Vikings. Oh hell no. I might respect them on some level, but I'm certainly not in love with them.

Some people are interested mainly in the league as a whole, and that's great. But for me, I'm here to see the Fever and how they develop. Once they're eliminated, I doubt I watch many playoff games, if any. I'll probably keep track of who stays in and who ends up winning, but that's about it.


It applies to me. CC brought me to become a WNBA fan, but I've come to like many individual players and some teams. Even if my city wasn't getting an expansion team I would continue watching the WNBA and watch teams/players I'm interested in.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#968 » by Wingy » Tue Sep 24, 2024 7:59 am

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rmontro wrote:During the playoff game, the announcers were talking about the "Caitlin Clark Effect", how she was bringing new eyes to the WNBA. They said something along the lines of "Come for Clark and the Fever, stay for the other players, and fall in love with the other teams". I was thinking yeah no, who has a favorite team they follow and falls in love with the other teams? In the NFL, I'm a Packer fan. Do you think I've fallen in love with the Bears, Lions, and Vikings. Oh hell no. I might respect them on some level, but I'm certainly not in love with them.

Some people are interested mainly in the league as a whole, and that's great. But for me, I'm here to see the Fever and how they develop. Once they're eliminated, I doubt I watch many playoff games, if any. I'll probably keep track of who stays in and who ends up winning, but that's about it.


It applies to me. CC brought me to become a WNBA fan, but I've come to like many individual players and some teams. Even if my city wasn't getting an expansion team I would continue watching the WNBA and watch teams/players I'm interested in.


Same, and I’m not sure why. For example, I love watching a good football (aka soccer) match, but have a harder time getting into it as a following fan and….aha, I just figured it out.

It’s the fact that it’s only 12 WNBA teams….I can appreciate the league as a whole because I can “know” it. I’ve become familiar with the starters (by and large). An insane number of club teams, and players given football’s the world wide sport. Having a hard time fully embracing something so huge without a rooting interest outside of the USM(&W)NT, even though I love watching a good game.

Edit: if I HAD to choose, I’d probably go Fever followed by the Storm.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#969 » by Ice Man » Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:24 pm

I'm in between. I pretty much have just watched Fever games, but once they are eliminated I will check in with the Liberty. If the Liberty are gone, then I probably would stop watching this year's playoffs, until an elimination game in the Finals, which I would watch.

But I do think my interest in other WNBA teams will increase next year, because the more I watch, the more I start to become familiar with the other players.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#970 » by hermes » Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:24 pm

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Ice Man wrote:Garbage defense. It was first a layup drill for the Sun, and then at the end a 3 point drill. However, the offense wasn't bad. If Clark/Mitchell had shot 8-23 on 3s, which is slightly below their average percentage, the Fever would have scored 81 points, which is pretty good against the Sun. Enough to win for a good defensive team. But the Fever are far from that.

It's hard to see how/if the Fever are going to move up into the upper tier of teams. They're young and improving, but they don't seem to have the right makeup of a championship team. Not sure they have the right coach either. I guess they have to make whatever changes during the offseason they can, and go from there. A series of fine tunings, I guess. Sides originally said something about teams who had the number one pick need five seasons before they win the championship.

You're right though, that if Clark and Mitchell hadn't had off days shooting, it wouldn't have looked quite so heinous. Clark did have that eye injury, maybe that was bugging her more than she let on.

with the upcoming expansions and major free agency, there might be a lot of turnover/shuffling across the league
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#971 » by sikma42 » Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:31 pm

rmontro wrote:During the playoff game, the announcers were talking about the "Caitlin Clark Effect", how she was bringing new eyes to the WNBA. They said something along the lines of "Come for Clark and the Fever, stay for the other players, and fall in love with the other teams". I was thinking yeah no, who has a favorite team they follow and falls in love with the other teams? In the NFL, I'm a Packer fan. Do you think I've fallen in love with the Bears, Lions, and Vikings. Oh hell no. I might respect them on some level, but I'm certainly not in love with them.

Some people are interested mainly in the league as a whole, and that's great. But for me, I'm here to see the Fever and how they develop. Once they're eliminated, I doubt I watch many playoff games, if any. I'll probably keep track of who stays in and who ends up winning, but that's about it.


Kelsey Mitchell is a top 10 player in the league. Boston is an All Star. I'm hearing that CC is a top 3 player in the league.

That's enough of a core to compete. They just need a backup point guard and upgrade over Lexie Hull (she should be a bench player - I'm not sure she isn't just on a hot streak).
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#972 » by Ice Man » Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:05 pm

sikma42 wrote:[Kelsey Mitchell is a top 10 player in the league. Boston is an All Star. I'm hearing that CC is a top 3 player in the league.

That's enough of a core to compete. They just need a backup point guard and upgrade over Lexie Hull (she should be a bench player - I'm not sure she isn't just on a hot streak).


That's a fine 3-player core. Two problems: 1) perimeter defense and 3) interior defense. The latter can (and must) be fixed by swapping Smith for a long, mobile big. Not sure what can be done about the former. But every team has some weakness, I suppose.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#973 » by cdubbz » Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:24 pm

Wingy wrote:Same, and I’m not sure why. For example, I love watching a good football (aka soccer) match, but have a harder time getting into it as a following fan and….aha, I just figured it out.

It’s the fact that it’s only 12 WNBA teams….I can appreciate the league as a whole because I can “know” it. I’ve become familiar with the starters (by and large). An insane number of club teams, and players given football’s the world wide sport. Having a hard time fully embracing something so huge without a rooting interest outside of the USM(&W)NT, even though I love watching a good game.

Edit: if I HAD to choose, I’d probably go Fever followed by the Storm.


Yeah it's a quick small league to learn as well as only really competing with MLB in the summer time for now. I like how there's only 40 games for now, short playoff format, and the games are 40 minutes -- easy to pay attention to overall.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#974 » by rmontro » Tue Sep 24, 2024 8:03 pm

cdubbz wrote:Yeah it's a quick small league to learn as well as only really competing with MLB in the summer time for now. I like how there's only 40 games for now, short playoff format, and the games are 40 minutes -- easy to pay attention to overall.

Well, they should be taking care of that "quick, small league" here in the next couple seasons with the expansion. I do love the short games though, it's so refreshing.

I guess my current attitude comes from my basic philosophy that I've taken with sports as I've gotten older. When I was a kid, I used to watch NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL (not to mention some individual sports), and get invested heavily. Problem is, at one point I realized that spectator sports were a massive time sink, and really, largely a waste of time. So I quit watching NHL, then NBA, then MLB, and now I mainly just watch Packer games. It's part of how I also have tried to cut down my time watching television.

But when I heard that Clark was going to be joining the Fever, since I live in Indiana, I thought it would be interesting to follow along. Frankly, if it wasn't for Clark, I wouldn't be watching. That's just the truth. I like the other Fever players too though, or some of them in particular.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#975 » by cdubbz » Tue Sep 24, 2024 8:36 pm

Big changes coming?

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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#976 » by rmontro » Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:10 pm

cdubbz wrote:Big changes coming?

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Sounds encouraging. They need some sort of change in the front office, IMO.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#977 » by cdubbz » Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:37 pm

Fever v Sun

- Boston Pick n roll This was successful in game 1. If Sun continue to double KM/Clark then Boston needs to hit that jumper or make the smart read.

-Get the others going: Get Lexie, Nalyssa MORE looks. Lexie only had 4 FGA. (29min) and Nalyssa 1 (9min). Dantas made a huge difference with her ability to hit the 3 and score. Clark/KM/Boston need those guys to keep the defense honest and help with scoring.

- Protect the paint: Fever game up 50 points in the paint. I think Fever need to keep 2 bigs on the floor at all times. Shoot use hack-a-Jones once in a while if you need to.

- Clark/KM buckets: If they have a better scoring night things will be much different.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#978 » by jc23 » Thu Sep 26, 2024 2:42 am

good season; cheers to the Fever, CC and this board.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#979 » by Ice Man » Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:29 am

cdubbz wrote:Fever v Sun

- Boston Pick n roll This was successful in game 1. If Sun continue to double KM/Clark then Boston needs to hit that jumper or make the smart read.


The Fever got Boston going on the basket roll, but not the short roll. That was going to Temi, which isn't a good play for Indy. I assume that happened because the Sun took away Boston's short roll (otherwise, why pass the ball to Temi?).

-Get the others going: Get Lexie, Nalyssa MORE looks. Lexie only had 4 FGA. (29min) and Nalyssa 1 (9min). Dantas made a huge difference with her ability to hit the 3 and score. Clark/KM/Boston need those guys to keep the defense honest and help with scoring.


That didn't happen. Temi did get 4 baskets on 3 layups + the 1 fluky 3 pointer, but everybody else beside the Big Three went 5-16. Clark, Boston, and Mitchell outscored Thomas, Bonner, and Mabrey by 7 points, but the rest of Indy got outplayed.

Protect the paint: Fever game up 50 points in the paint. I think Fever need to keep 2 bigs on the floor at all times. Shoot use hack-a-Jones once in a while if you need to.


The interior defense was better in Game #2. They still gave up a lot of paint points, but many of those were tough shots. Credit to Thomas, in particular, for making big shots while under pressure.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#980 » by TheSuzerain » Thu Sep 26, 2024 2:34 pm

Seems like they have cap for two max players. Especially if they can offload Smith.

I hope they target a star (Satou or Meesemans) along with another athletic glue piece (Carrington? Lol).


Clark
Mitchell
Hull + new glue piece
Satou or Meesemans
Boston + Temi

Also hope they sign Maxwell or draft Paopao to put another sniper in the rotation

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