Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread

[Karate Diop]

eww no Okoro is trashhh

Yeah seems like desperately attempting to extract any value from DFS because they waited too long.

No thanks. Get a few seconds and a someone useless on an expiring and keep it moving if this is the best alternative.

I don't mind Okoro but Okoro on a big deal doesn't give me good feelings...

[drchaos]

Without Bridges Cam Johnson should get more time in the spotlight.

Let him, DFS, Schroeder, and Sharpe maximize their value and find just the right sucker that wants to win this year.

[Papi_swav]

Without Bridges Cam Johnson should get more time in the spotlight.

Let him, DFS, Schroeder, and Sharpe maximize their value and find just the right sucker that wants to win this year.

idk why guys actually think CamJ is going to actually be better..? he's going to be worse with more spotlight on him. He is a complimentary piece, not a 2nd or 3rd option. His percentages will go way down and he doesn't have any moves. We need to move him now

[Netaman]

if they get Okoro, it's going to be close to TPMLE level $ and it will probably descend to where it's lower than TPMLE money in the out years.

CamJ maybe has a little bit of room to stat stuff to a slightly greater degree, I dont think Bridges being gone hurts him much. Maybe he gets a few more shots per game, but i think it's on ball players who are mostly going to take on the part of Bridges' workload that had any impact on CamJ (CamT, Schroeder).

if they couldnt get draft picks they liked enough for DFS in this past draft which was so trash picks were being punted/sold left and right, then it's pretty clear he's on the path to a Royce return which may as well be nothing. I'd rather find recclaimation projects with at least a chance of turning into something someone would trade real picks for (as opposed to zaire williams/killian hayes types, who almost certainly won't do much).

[vincecarter4pres]

if they get Okoro, it's going to be close to TPMLE level $ and it will probably descend to where it's lower than TPMLE money in the out years.

CamJ maybe has a little bit of room to stat stuff to a slightly greater degree, I dont think Bridges being gone hurts him much. Maybe he gets a few more shots per game, but i think it's on ball players who are mostly going to take on the part of Bridges' workload that had any impact on CamJ (CamT, Schroeder).

if they couldnt get draft picks they liked enough for DFS in this past draft which was so trash picks were being punted/sold left and right, then it's pretty clear he's on the path to a Royce return which may as well be nothing. I'd rather find recclaimation projects with at least a chance of turning into something someone would trade real picks for (as opposed to zaire williams/killian hayes types, who almost certainly won't do much).

Still rather have 3 2nd rounds picks over Okoro.

Someone like Jett Howard is a different story, as unlikely as something like that may be.

[Netaman]

if they get Okoro, it's going to be close to TPMLE level $ and it will probably descend to where it's lower than TPMLE money in the out years.

CamJ maybe has a little bit of room to stat stuff to a slightly greater degree, I dont think Bridges being gone hurts him much. Maybe he gets a few more shots per game, but i think it's on ball players who are mostly going to take on the part of Bridges' workload that had any impact on CamJ (CamT, Schroeder).

if they couldnt get draft picks they liked enough for DFS in this past draft which was so trash picks were being punted/sold left and right, then it's pretty clear he's on the path to a Royce return which may as well be nothing. I'd rather find recclaimation projects with at least a chance of turning into something someone would trade real picks for (as opposed to zaire williams/killian hayes types, who almost certainly won't do much).

Still rather have 3 2nd rounds picks over Okoro.

Someone like Jett Howard is a different story, as unlikely as something like that may be.

i think someone like jett is possible to get for CamJ but probably not DFS. the new CBA showed it's stripes and a lot of role guys were available in FA way below what was expected based on prior years. maybe you could swap dfs for cole anthony since thats more of a salary play from ORL but i think id rather just have okoro since 3&d's are usually in demand.

[Netaman]

Markkanen extends in Utah, off the trade market now until next offseason. CamJ trade window wide open now. GSW or LAL seem like the best fits.


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[DanishLakerFan]

Without Bridges Cam Johnson should get more time in the spotlight.

Let him, DFS, Schroeder, and Sharpe maximize their value and find just the right sucker that wants to win this year.

LAL could be the right sucker.

What's the price tag for these guys?

[Netaman]

Without Bridges Cam Johnson should get more time in the spotlight.

Let him, DFS, Schroeder, and Sharpe maximize their value and find just the right sucker that wants to win this year.

LAL could be the right sucker.

What's the price tag for these guys?

Using those 2 teams I think CamJ is probably something like 1 FRP + rookie scale player like JHS/Moody + salary filler.

DFS probably more like straight up for a JHS/Moody + filler (or the rumored S&T for Okoro).

[Stone]

Now that the dust has sort of settled, I wanted to get our boards thoughts on the KAT - Randle, Divo trade.

Ballsy move IMO. They now have OG under contrat though 28/29, KAT 27/28, Brunson 28/29, Hart 27/28 and Bridges until 25/26. It seems like Knicks fans are split. Some think it great and others think its is at best a literal move.

I am of the opinion that superstars win championships. Is KAT a superstar? It depends on how we define it, I believe he is top 30 player and Randle a top 50 player. I guess it is all going to boil down to health and availability.

The big question is how will this effect us and all the first round picks we acquired in the Mikal Bridges trade?

Also just heard Dikembe Mutombo just passed away. He was a very charitable person who did a lot of good. So when you get a chance raise a glass to this former Net and NBA legend. RIP

[Decipher]

Now that the dust has sort of settled, I wanted to get our boards thoughts on the KAT - Randle, Divo trade.

Ballsy move IMO. They now have OG under contrat though 28/29, KAT 27/28, Brunson 28/29, Hart 27/28 and Bridges until 25/26. It seems like Knicks fans are split. Some think it great and others think its is at best a literal move.

I am of the opinion that superstars win championships. Is KAT a superstar? It depends on how we define it, I believe he is top 30 player and Randle a top 50 player. I guess it is all going to boil down to health and availability.

The big question is how will this effect us and all the first round picks we acquired in the Mikal Bridges trade?

Also just heard Dikembe Mutombo just passed away. He was a very charitable person who did a lot of good. So when you get a chance raise a glass to this former Net and NBA legend. RIP

I think it’s a questionable trade for both teams

Randle has his critics and the Knicks obviously didn’t want to pay him but he’s a good player on a reasonable contract who contributes to RS wins

Losing DDV is also no joke with the way that he was shooting

Seems to me that the Knicks are built to compete with Boston

What happens if they come up against healthy Giannis or Embiid in the playoffs and Robinson is out?

They’ll get smoked and are then stuck with KAT on a supermax

Our picks are a long way down the road and I don’t think that hurts us at all

Bigger issue is whether the mythical healthy Simmons turns up with an improved Cam

We might actually win too many games

[Netaman]

Now that the dust has sort of settled, I wanted to get our boards thoughts on the KAT - Randle, Divo trade.

Ballsy move IMO. They now have OG under contrat though 28/29, KAT 27/28, Brunson 28/29, Hart 27/28 and Bridges until 25/26. It seems like Knicks fans are split. Some think it great and others think its is at best a literal move.

I am of the opinion that superstars win championships. Is KAT a superstar? It depends on how we define it, I believe he is top 30 player and Randle a top 50 player. I guess it is all going to boil down to health and availability.

The big question is how will this effect us and all the first round picks we acquired in the Mikal Bridges trade?

Also just heard Dikembe Mutombo just passed away. He was a very charitable person who did a lot of good. So when you get a chance raise a glass to this former Net and NBA legend. RIP

Super interesting trade. I think it is higher risk than reward because the only reward that matters is beating boston and I dont think this trade elevates them to being a real threat to boston.

Are they incrementally closer to Boston? Yes.

But now they have another injury prone player Thibs is going to put a ton of minutes on and 1 less quality rotation player who could defend and shoot. And 1 less draft pick to trade. So I see more tangible risks than the gains going from Randle to KAT. But it may have been the best of not great options because of Randle's contract situation.

[ecuhus1981]

I like it for both teams.

New York really benefited from i-Hart's playmaking at the 5, which KAT can probably do even better. If you're a Knicks fan, you have to hope that he can bring his 3pt shooting to the starting lineup, along with rim protection without boneheaded fouls.

For Minnesota, it's a shrewd move, but I honestly think it'll be better for them on the court. People say Julius still cut into Edwards' touches, but IMO they need another 1v1 shot creator. It saves them money, and DiVo will probably be a big rotation guy for them as Conley ages out.

[Karate Diop]

Anyone else a little annoyed that the Nets haven't moved one of DFS or Cam Johnson yet? Their value isn't going to significantly increase if you wait to move them well into the season...

At some point you've got to take what you can get...

[ecuhus1981]

Anyone else a little annoyed that the Nets haven't moved one of DFS or Cam Johnson yet? Their value isn't going to significantly increase if you wait to move them well into the season...

At some point you've got to take what you can get...

I've been saying this. Marks wants to hold out for maximum value, but the longer those role players stay at the top of opposing teams' scouting reports, the more their value will plummet. They're not built to be #2 or even #3 options.

[Karate Diop]

Anyone else a little annoyed that the Nets haven't moved one of DFS or Cam Johnson yet? Their value isn't going to significantly increase if you wait to move them well into the season...

At some point you've got to take what you can get...

I've been saying this. Marks wants to hold out for maximum value, but the longer those role players stay at the top of opposing teams' scouting reports, the more their value will plummet. They're not built to be #2 or even #3 options.

Exactly, I can get keeping one of they're open to it to serve as a veteran mentor but seems like overkill keeping both.

[TheNetsFan]

Anyone else a little annoyed that the Nets haven't moved one of DFS or Cam Johnson yet? Their value isn't going to significantly increase if you wait to move them well into the season...

At some point you've got to take what you can get...

I've been saying this. Marks wants to hold out for maximum value, but the longer those role players stay at the top of opposing teams' scouting reports, the more their value will plummet. They're not built to be #2 or even #3 options.

Exactly, I can get keeping one of they're open to it to serve as a veteran mentor but seems like overkill keeping both.

People were saying similar things about turning down 3-4 picks for Bridges. Outside of the very creative accounting the Knicks did, which started by signing a bunch of G-Leaguers for a few days at the end of last season so that they could be used in a sign and trade, the trade market hasn't moved much. There will likely be more movement at the deadline, when teams will not be as concerned with maintaining breathing room under an apron, and after contenders get hit with some kind of injury.

[Paradise]

Anyone else a little annoyed that the Nets haven't moved one of DFS or Cam Johnson yet? Their value isn't going to significantly increase if you wait to move them well into the season...

At some point you've got to take what you can get...

No. They get more value at the deadline than randomly doing it now.

[Karate Diop]

Anyone else a little annoyed that the Nets haven't moved one of DFS or Cam Johnson yet? Their value isn't going to significantly increase if you wait to move them well into the season...

At some point you've got to take what you can get...

No. They get more value at the deadline than randomly doing it now.

I don't know that they do, you're banking on a team getting desperate, having the contracts and ability under the new salary cap rules to trade with you and having picks, etc. that actually have value... DFS is also a half season rental at that point as he's likely to opt out.

[Decipher]

Anyone else a little annoyed that the Nets haven't moved one of DFS or Cam Johnson yet? Their value isn't going to significantly increase if you wait to move them well into the season...

At some point you've got to take what you can get...

No. They get more value at the deadline than randomly doing it now.

I don't know that they do, you're banking on a team getting desperate, having the contracts and ability under the new salary cap rules to trade with you and having picks, etc. that actually have value... DFS is also a half season rental at that point as he's likely to opt out.

You have to assume that the team is or has been talking to others and I don’t see the harm in waiting until a deal presents itself

Biggest danger is that they get injured in the meantime