Postgame thread: Knicks @ Hornets

[3toheadmelo]

Dominican Bargnani was in full display last night smh. Also had just 4 rebounds and gave up 9 to Nick richards.

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Come on man don’t call him Bargnani….. It makes me immediately dislike him.

Dominican Bargnani is his name until he starts playing like a dominant two way big man

[NoDopeOnSundays]

KAT is worse than Randle playing the 5.

The sample size of Randle playing the five is basically nothing. I would not hold onto that having any credibility. We weren't going to survive with a 6'8 non shot blocking guy playing a bunch of minutes at the 5...especially one that really doesn't care about playing much defense. Now I'm not also saying KAT is some big time defender...he is not. He is just bigger and the hope is that Thibs can make him at least passable on that end until at least Mitch comes back.

He also played center on the Lakers a lot. All I know is that KAT is disastrous defensively at C and makes Randle look like Mitch. That’s how bad he is.

KAT had a 109.8 DRTG last season playing center, he's not DPOY level but he's good enough. There's not enough numbers on Randle playing C to say he's better at it or can do it full time, if he were good enough Tom would have tried it, like he did with OG guarding Embiid.

[whocares1]

Dominican Bargnani was in full display last night smh. Also had just 4 rebounds and gave up 9 to Nick richards.

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Come on man don’t call him Bargnani….. It makes me immediately dislike him.

There always has to be some internal squabble with this fanbase. We can’t just wait and see how a player will look on a brand new squad/system we have to insult them on the very first day lol it’s so redundant.

[thebuzzardman]

A long time Wolves fan just said this on the GB. Basically describes a lot of what we saw from Dominican Bargnani last night.

I've been following the Wolves since inception. I was very happy to hear about the Towns trade. He has a ten cent head, as Knicks fans will soon find out. Really dumb fouls. Very soft defender and gets lost a lot. Tries to make highlight reel passes that don't work. I may be in the minority from a Wolves fan perspective but I always thought he was overrated. Guess we'll see how the season goes.

Well, we've seen long time Knicks fans defend Randle, so there's that.

[rajajackal]

Dominican Bargnani was in full display last night smh. Also had just 4 rebounds and gave up 9 to Nick richards.

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Come on man don’t call him Bargnani….. It makes me immediately dislike him.

Dominican Bargnani is his name until he starts playing like a dominant two way big man

[Fury]

The sample size of Randle playing the five is basically nothing. I would not hold onto that having any credibility. We weren't going to survive with a 6'8 non shot blocking guy playing a bunch of minutes at the 5...especially one that really doesn't care about playing much defense. Now I'm not also saying KAT is some big time defender...he is not. He is just bigger and the hope is that Thibs can make him at least passable on that end until at least Mitch comes back.

He also played center on the Lakers a lot. All I know is that KAT is disastrous defensively at C and makes Randle look like Mitch. That’s how bad he is.

KAT had a 109.8 DRTG last season playing center, he's not DPOY level but he's good enough. There's not enough numbers on Randle playing C to say he's better at it or can do it full time, if he were good enough Tom would have tried it, like he did with OG guarding Embiid.

The Timberwolves had like their best defensive game ever against the Nuggets in the playoffs with Towns at center. We will be fine, especially when you take this into account:

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[3toheadmelo]

The sample size of Randle playing the five is basically nothing. I would not hold onto that having any credibility. We weren't going to survive with a 6'8 non shot blocking guy playing a bunch of minutes at the 5...especially one that really doesn't care about playing much defense. Now I'm not also saying KAT is some big time defender...he is not. He is just bigger and the hope is that Thibs can make him at least passable on that end until at least Mitch comes back.

He also played center on the Lakers a lot. All I know is that KAT is disastrous defensively at C and makes Randle look like Mitch. That’s how bad he is.

KAT had a 109.8 DRTG last season playing center, he's not DPOY level but he's good enough. There's not enough numbers on Randle playing C to say he's better at it or can do it full time, if he were good enough Tom would have tried it, like he did with OG guarding Embiid.

I'm not saying to play Randle full time at C. But I'm way more confident in doing it until Mitch came back. Even would've been fine with Sims starting until Mitch came back too.

KAT just doesn't work at the 5. Especially in the playoffs.

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His net ratings and DEF rating were atrocious every year he played the 5 in the playoffs. His worst was actually under Thibs too.

[thebuzzardman]

Here goes a long post that no one will read.

What I think the Knicks should do rotation wise.

First off, I advocated for Precious to start so Knicks could run a jumbo lineup and it would preserve Hart for the bench, which I think is important, as Hart's ability to slot in at 4,3 or even 2 make him the ideal 6th or 7th man.
I'm less enamored of that now.

I'd start Deuce, or, believe it or not, Shamet. Yeah, pretty crazy mentioning Shamet, but read further.

There are several reasons for wanting to start Deuce at SG, or, if Thibs is dead set on him coming off the bench, Shamet.

#1 - The Knicks should play 5 out. Just embrace it.
#2 - Hart makes the most sense as the 1st sub, see above
#3 - OG. He has the offensive skills of Charles Oakley and that's not a compliment. NO WAY do I want OG and Hart sharing the floor for too many minutes.

So:

Brunson
Deuce
Bridges
OG
KAT

Sub in Hart for OG, keep subbing so there is always 4 shooters, Hart doesn't count as one of them.

After, the sub picture gets murky for me, because I'm not that smart but I'm also somewhat lazy.

I'd have the bench be:
Hart/Precious/Shamet/Kolek

I'd like to NEVER see Sims and Precious on the floor at the same time.
I'd rather not see too much of Hart and OG at the same time.
Not that thrilled with too much of KAT and Precious together either, though I get it will happen against teams like Orlando or Milwaukee.

So, lean into 5 out for the starting lineup.
Start Deuce, but he probably doesn't get true starter minutes. Maybe 28 mpg. Tops.
Brunson I have for 36-38 mpg. Kolek and his shooting and passing have the other 12. F*ck Payne.
I think Mikal is going to have to play 38 mpg, to break up Hart and OG as much as possible.
36 mpg for KAT, Precious can play 12 mpg at C, please not too many minutes at PF.

Precious and Hart shouldn't play together either, if possible.

Knicks should try to be 5 out in the starting lineup, mix the bench and starters so they are always 4 out when the starting lineup isn't together. Hart shouldn't be included as one of the guys who is "out" because he's not a reliable shooter.


Hart and OG are ultimately too offensively flawed to see too much time on the floor together.

Oh, and trade for Tre Murphy so Knicks can be 5 for longer stretches.

[thebuzzardman]

A long time Wolves fan just said this on the GB. Basically describes a lot of what we saw from Dominican Bargnani last night.

I've been following the Wolves since inception. I was very happy to hear about the Towns trade. He has a ten cent head, as Knicks fans will soon find out. Really dumb fouls. Very soft defender and gets lost a lot. Tries to make highlight reel passes that don't work. I may be in the minority from a Wolves fan perspective but I always thought he was overrated. Guess we'll see how the season goes.

Well, we've seen long time Knicks fans defend Randle, so there's that.

Dombarni might be good combo name, just fyi

[3toheadmelo]

A long time Wolves fan just said this on the GB. Basically describes a lot of what we saw from Dominican Bargnani last night.

Well, we've seen long time Knicks fans defend Randle, so there's that.

Dombarni might be good combo name, just fyi

Ty buzz

[Fat Kat]

These ruminatory post have already gotten old. Let’s fast forward to the acceptance phase and talk about the current team.

[rajajackal]

A long time Wolves fan just said this on the GB. Basically describes a lot of what we saw from Dominican Bargnani last night.

Well, we've seen long time Knicks fans defend Randle, so there's that.

Dombarni might be good combo name, just fyi

i'm not hating on kat unless he gives me valid reason to do so but Bodega Bargs rolls off the tongue

[Fat Kat]

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[3toheadmelo]

Well, we've seen long time Knicks fans defend Randle, so there's that.

Dombarni might be good combo name, just fyi

i'm not hating on kat unless he gives me valid reason to do so but Bodega Bargs rolls off the tongue

Def gonna be using that one

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He also played center on the Lakers a lot. All I know is that KAT is disastrous defensively at C and makes Randle look like Mitch. That’s how bad he is.

KAT had a 109.8 DRTG last season playing center, he's not DPOY level but he's good enough. There's not enough numbers on Randle playing C to say he's better at it or can do it full time, if he were good enough Tom would have tried it, like he did with OG guarding Embiid.

I'm not saying to play Randle full time at C. But I'm way more confident in doing it until Mitch came back. Even would've been fine with Sims starting until Mitch came back too.

KAT just doesn't work at the 5. Especially in the playoffs.

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His net ratings and DEF rating were atrocious every year he played the 5 in the playoffs. His worst was actually under Thibs too.

We are in the same division with the Sixers and Celtics, playing Randle at the 5 until whenever Maybe Mitch is back would put us in a hole right out of the gate. Also, the guy everyone wanted back in IHart had a 128.2 DRTG in the playoffs last year.

You can't compare something a player hasn't really done to a guy that has done it, the Wolves were 13th defensively the last year KAT played C, and that was with Russell as his PG. I don't think anyone is expecting us to have a top 3 defense on the season but as long as the wings are healthy we should be able to get into the top 10. Randle at C wasn't going to work, they knew it and traded him for a guy that we know can play both the 4 and 5.

[rajajackal]

Dombarni might be good combo name, just fyi

i'm not hating on kat unless he gives me valid reason to do so but Bodega Bargs rolls off the tongue

Def gonna be using that one

no matter my opinions i happy to lend my services to the theatrical dysfunction of realgm knicks discourse

[whocares1]

Here goes a long post that no one will read.

What I think the Knicks should do rotation wise.

First off, I advocated for Precious to start so Knicks could run a jumbo lineup and it would preserve Hart for the bench, which I think is important, as Hart's ability to slot in at 4,3 or even 2 make him the ideal 6th or 7th man.
I'm less enamored of that now.

I'd start Deuce, or, believe it or not, Shamet. Yeah, pretty crazy mentioning Shamet, but read further.

There are several reasons for wanting to start Deuce at SG, or, if Thibs is dead set on him coming off the bench, Shamet.

#1 - The Knicks should play 5 out. Just embrace it.
#2 - Hart makes the most sense as the 1st sub, see above
#3 - OG. He has the offensive skills of Charles Oakley and that's not a compliment. NO WAY do I want OG and Hart sharing the floor for too many minutes.

So:

Brunson
Deuce
Bridges
OG
KAT

Sub in Hart for OG, keep subbing so there is always 4 shooters, Hart doesn't count as one of them.

After, the sub picture gets murky for me, because I'm not that smart but I'm also somewhat lazy.

I'd have the bench be:
Hart/Precious/Shamet/Kolek

I'd like to NEVER see Sims and Precious on the floor at the same time.
I'd rather not see too much of Hart and OG at the same time.
Not that thrilled with too much of KAT and Precious together either, though I get it will happen against teams like Orlando or Milwaukee.

So, lean into 5 out for the starting lineup.
Start Deuce, but he probably doesn't get true starter minutes. Maybe 28 mpg. Tops.
Brunson I have for 36-38 mpg. Kolek and his shooting and passing have the other 12. F*ck Payne.
I think Mikal is going to have to play 38 mpg, to break up Hart and OG as much as possible.
36 mpg for KAT, Precious can play 12 mpg at C, please not too many minutes at PF.

Precious and Hart shouldn't play together either, if possible.

Knicks should try to be 5 out in the starting lineup, mix the bench and starters so they are always 4 out when the starting lineup isn't together. Hart shouldn't be included as one of the guys who is "out" because he's not a reliable shooter.


Hart and OG are ultimately too offensively flawed to see too much time on the floor together.

Oh, and trade for Tre Murphy so Knicks can be 5 for longer stretches.

Thibs likes to have a starting lineup and a bench unit and I don’t think that’s changing. Deuce showed yesterday that he might end up being the focal point of the offense off the bench so it wouldn’t make sense for him to start and be overlooked as a floor spacer. I honestly think Thibs sticks with the starting lineup we saw until it proves to be ineffective bc it’s not like he loves Precious. And Payne for sure will be the back up point guard, he pushed the pace he just was too selfish with his shot. Kolek will likely be on the outside of the rotation unless something drastic changes.

[DOT]

If the issue with KAT is interior presence, then you can't at the same time be saying we should've made the guy who had a significantly worse block rate than Kevin Knox our full time C

Julius Randle, in 330 games over 5 seasons, had 112 blocks for us, good for 38th all time. Taj Gibson, in 175 games over 2 seasons had 125, Robin Lopez in 82 games over 1 season had 129, Wilson Chandler in 233 games over 4 seasons had 210, Kyle O'Quinn in 221 games over 3 seasons had 251, etc.

Also fun fact, Mitch is 2nd all time in total blocks for us with 602, trailing only Ewing with 2,758.

[stuporman]

Bunch of fananis in this thread...

[3toheadmelo]

KAT had a 109.8 DRTG last season playing center, he's not DPOY level but he's good enough. There's not enough numbers on Randle playing C to say he's better at it or can do it full time, if he were good enough Tom would have tried it, like he did with OG guarding Embiid.

I'm not saying to play Randle full time at C. But I'm way more confident in doing it until Mitch came back. Even would've been fine with Sims starting until Mitch came back too.

KAT just doesn't work at the 5. Especially in the playoffs.

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His net ratings and DEF rating were atrocious every year he played the 5 in the playoffs. His worst was actually under Thibs too.

We are in the same division with the Sixers and Celtics, playing Randle at the 5 until whenever Maybe Mitch is back would put us in a hole right out of the gate. Also, the guy everyone wanted back in IHart had a 128.2 DRTG in the playoffs last year.

You can't compare something a player hasn't really done to a guy that has done it, the Wolves were 13th defensively the last year KAT played C, and that was with Russell as his PG. I don't think anyone is expecting us to have a top 3 defense on the season but as long as the wings are healthy we should be able to get into the top 10. Randle at C wasn't going to work, they knew it and traded him for a guy that we know can play both the 4 and 5.

It doesn't translate into winning basketball is my point. Every year he played C, they either missed the playoffs or was a 1st round exit. We have all of the data in the world that show why it never worked.