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With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche

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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#661 » by Badonkadonk » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:13 pm

AbC? wrote:Expectations should be realistic. His most likely outcome is inconsequential bum that’s out of the league in a few years. If he becomes a consistent bench big that would be a huge, rare Masai win.

Yeah the hype around him has gotten out of hand. Potential is through the roof, but he's VERY far from being a productive NBA player.

Will Lou's show touched briefly on him hitting 1 out of 10 threes in a scrimmage setting yesterday.

There are tons of guys who have the physical attributes to be in the league but never sniff it because all of the parts you need, a big part of that is processing the game at NBA speed, makings reads (on both ends), becoming fluid enough to get shots off, manipulating your man into your areas of strength (or their weak spots/hand) etc.

He's still learning the game, forget polishing things up like guys who have grown up through the US academy system or the NCAA. He played in Rwanda last.

I still have high hopes for him, hopefully he progresses nicely with the 905.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#662 » by Zeno » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:18 pm

Dalek wrote:Happy people found a player to like, but the guy looks like he is only 6'10 and even looks smaller than Bruno Fernando. He has some average tools to work with, but we can all dream.

Fernando measured at 6'10.25 with shoes at his combine and Chomche measure 6'10.25 without shoes. no idea if those heights have changed since those measurements were made. The photo is very hard to draw conclusions from for obvious reasons of perspective and posture. Agree 100% with the dreaming part.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#664 » by Scase » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:53 pm

Dalek wrote:Happy people found a player to like, but the guy looks like he is only 6'10 and even looks smaller than Bruno Fernando. He has some average tools to work with, but we can all dream.

Eh his measurements are pretty solid.

He's got a good wingspan, a good standing reach, good hand size, 6'10+ without shoes, and he's 18 so still might grow some more. I don't think he's the second coming of Giannis or anything, but his measurements are definitely above average.

His physical tools won't be an issue, it's all about whether he can figure out the game despite not playing it for very long.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#665 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:57 pm

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Dalek wrote:Happy people found a player to like, but the guy looks like he is only 6'10 and even looks smaller than Bruno Fernando. He has some average tools to work with, but we can all dream.

Eh his measurements are pretty solid.

He's got a good wingspan, a good standing reach, good hand size, 6'10+ without shoes, and he's 18 so still might grow some more. I don't think he's the second coming of Giannis or anything, but his measurements are definitely above average.

His physical tools won't be an issue, it's all about whether he can figure out the game despite not playing it for very long.


His combine measurements were 6'10.25 without shoes (he will be 7ft with shoes), 7'4 wingspan, 9'1 standing reach, 232lbs -- that's big, especially for an 18 year old who could still be growing. He's comparable in size to guys like Sarr, Missi, Ware.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#666 » by Basketball_Jones » Sun Oct 6, 2024 10:10 pm

After the failed C prospects of Kokoko and Porter, both for very odd reasons, I have high hopes for this one!
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Post#667 » by dTox » Mon Oct 7, 2024 12:40 am

I am failing to understand why a player like Mogbo is getting more minutes than Ulrich this game

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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#668 » by Tom_Foolery » Mon Oct 7, 2024 1:58 am

dTox wrote:I am failing to understand why a player like Mogbo is getting more minutes than Ulrich this game

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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#669 » by Jcity08 » Mon Oct 7, 2024 2:08 am

Chomche is extremely raw, and is 18 until the end the year, he has a lot of time to improve, no need to rush.
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Post#670 » by dTox » Mon Oct 7, 2024 2:08 am

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dTox wrote:I am failing to understand why a player like Mogbo is getting more minutes than Ulrich this game

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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#671 » by deck » Mon Oct 7, 2024 2:19 am

Chomche will realize quickly the awareness of NBA players. I like that he is trying to make passes, but you can read him like a book right now. NBA players are going to be jumping his passing lanes.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#672 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Oct 7, 2024 4:47 am

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dTox wrote:I am failing to understand why a player like Mogbo is getting more minutes than Ulrich this game

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I guess you understand now.


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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#673 » by HangTime » Mon Oct 7, 2024 5:06 am

deck wrote:Chomche will realize quickly the awareness of NBA players. I like that he is trying to make passes, but you can read him like a book right now. NBA players are going to be jumping his passing lanes.


It's better to be deliberate when learning. I think he'll be fine.

That's also why I'd want him to get minutes against stiffer competition, early on. From the start of the season to 905 opening night.

Give him 10 minutes per night against Mobley/Allen, Paul Georg/Embiid(for a few possessions), Randle/ANT, Jokic, Miller/Ball, Lebron/AD, Sabonis, Jokic/Gordon, Zubac/Harden, Giannis/Middleton.

any mix of high end players, with different skill sets.

Then send him to the 905 with all that footage to help him.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#674 » by dagger » Mon Oct 7, 2024 2:04 pm

They gave him a TWO-YEAR two way contract - rare as those are - for a reason. He has a long way to go just to achieve end of bench relevance, but given his particularly young age - 18 until just after Christmas - and his raw tools, everyone, including him, seems to understand that this is a process to be evaluated periodically but certainly not from his first appearances on an NBA court. Let him go to the 905, where he is unlikely to dominate this season. Don't be disappointed if he looks lost at times, if he has some really bad games, but look for small incremental improvements month by month. This is a different situation than whether Jamal Shead can improve his outside shooting, which is the major obstacle currently facing him, potentially the obstacle that prevents him from being a future NBA starter, so he doesn't have forever to show some improvement. Shead is a 22 year old, college veteran.
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Post#675 » by Dalek » Mon Oct 7, 2024 4:57 pm

UC had a ton of fouls and turnovers in just a few minutes. I don't think there is much to see at this point - even for a G-Leaguer who likely will struggle there.

I just wonder why Masai believed in this kid over Yves Missi. Both Cameroonians but one was a clearly more realistic NBA prospect. The Pels no longer had JV so it will be interesting to see if Missi ends up splitting time with Zion at C which would be an impressive development on a playoff team.

I liked the Walter pick but Missi's athleticism and defensive basketball development at Baylor make me think the upside is higher than either Walter or Chomche.

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It will be interesting to track these two over time.
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Post#676 » by OakleyDokely » Mon Oct 7, 2024 5:03 pm

dTox wrote:I am failing to understand why a player like Mogbo is getting more minutes than Ulrich this game

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One guy is 22 years old, played a couple years of college ball and was selected just outside the 1st round while the other guy is a raw teenager who doesn't have much of a history playing competitive games.

During the preseason the team is trying to figure out who will be in the rotation and who won't be to start the year, so they need to get a good look at Mogbo now.

Chomche's opportunities will come, but he projects as a more long term project.
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Post#677 » by DreamTeam09 » Mon Oct 7, 2024 5:08 pm

Dalek wrote:UC had a ton of fouls and turnovers in just a few minutes. I don't think there is much to see at this point - even for a G-Leaguer who likely will struggle there.

I just wonder why Masai believed in this kid over Yves Missi. Both Cameroonians but one was a clearly more realistic NBA prospect. The Pels no longer had JV so it will be interesting to see if Missi ends up splitting time with Zion at C which would be an impressive development on a playoff team.

I liked the Walter pick but Missi's athleticism and defensive basketball development at Baylor make me think the upside is higher than either Walter or Chomche.

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It will be interesting to track these two over time.


You answered your own question, why get Missi & Chomche when I can get Walter & Chomche(who I hope can be just as good/better than Missi)

Walter was the better player of the two at the same school no?
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Post#679 » by Chandan » Mon Oct 7, 2024 6:09 pm

deck wrote:Chomche will realize quickly the awareness of NBA players. I like that he is trying to make passes, but you can read him like a book right now. NBA players are going to be jumping his passing lanes.


To be fair Kelly also made very risky passes last night and got burn as well.
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Post#680 » by mtcan » Mon Oct 7, 2024 6:15 pm

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They seem to like him establishing himself on either side of the free throw line. On most of the set plays they ran when Ulrich was out there...they threw him the ball on either the left or right side at that spot. He threw that pass on another possession but somehow ended up a turnover or out of bounds.

That seems intentional and part of the development process.

They should bring in Charles Oakley and have him teach Ulrich those patented behind the back bounce passes Oak was famous for (although he threw the ball out of bounds on many of those attempts).

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