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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#281 » by Big J » Tue Oct 8, 2024 11:26 pm

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I would take Saleh back although reports are this morning he is wants to take a break from coaching and won't accept a job for the rest of 2024. They did offer Belicheck the position but I knew he would reject it. GOAT level head coaches like Walsh and BB don't take demotions to coordinator positions. It just doesn't happen.


Bellicheck only cares about breaking the all-time wins record. I think he's like 10 wins or less away.

So being a coordinator or Asst. HC does not fit his agenda and he's not getting younger.

However, maybe teams won't hire him as HC unless he "proves" himself as a DC?


It would be pretty hard to believe that some team wouldn't give Belichick a chance as HC given some of the guys out there running teams. Totally get not giving him personnel powers. I think that's where he got himself in trouble. But in terms of coaching, especially on the defensive side of the ball, he's as good as it gets.


Any team could have had him this offseason and nobody wanted him.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#282 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 8, 2024 11:36 pm

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Bellicheck only cares about breaking the all-time wins record. I think he's like 10 wins or less away.

So being a coordinator or Asst. HC does not fit his agenda and he's not getting younger.

However, maybe teams won't hire him as HC unless he "proves" himself as a DC?


It would be pretty hard to believe that some team wouldn't give Belichick a chance as HC given some of the guys out there running teams. Totally get not giving him personnel powers. I think that's where he got himself in trouble. But in terms of coaching, especially on the defensive side of the ball, he's as good as it gets.


Any team could have had him this offseason and nobody wanted him.


We'll see what happens this offseason. There are some indications Belichick wanted a year off. If he doesn't get signed as a HC and he's interested in being a coordinator, of course you go after him. I'm just pretty skeptical that he'd be willing to do that even if there isn't a market for him as a HC.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#283 » by Pattersonca65 » Tue Oct 8, 2024 11:47 pm

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It would be pretty hard to believe that some team wouldn't give Belichick a chance as HC given some of the guys out there running teams. Totally get not giving him personnel powers. I think that's where he got himself in trouble. But in terms of coaching, especially on the defensive side of the ball, he's as good as it gets.


Any team could have had him this offseason and nobody wanted him.


We'll see what happens this offseason. There are some indications Belichick wanted a year off. If he doesn't get signed as a HC and he's interested in being a coordinator, of course you go after him. I'm just pretty skeptical that he'd be willing to do that even if there isn't a market for him as a HC.

If you look at NFL history, coaches of BB's stature dont go back to being coordinators. They either bump up to the FO or retire. It wont happen.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#284 » by Big J » Thu Oct 10, 2024 12:23 am

Why did Salah need to be escorted out of the Jets facility by security? Sounds like he might not be the best dude.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#285 » by wco81 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 12:34 am

Bet it's more the owner being an ****.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#286 » by arich35 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:33 am

Jordan Elliott is out, run defense might be even worse tomorrow night. What a big week 6 game this is
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#287 » by thesack12 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 3:44 pm

Big J wrote:Why did Salah need to be escorted out of the Jets facility by security? Sounds like he might not be the best dude.


I've never worked for an NFL team, but in my experience its not uncommon for security to see somebody out after they get fired. You never know how somebody is going to react.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#288 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Oct 10, 2024 6:49 pm

So despite a bad defense to date (at least against decent competition), the Hawks are near the top of the league in minimizing the deep pass with only three allowed, I believe. We need to see Purdy playing a bit more conservatively this game. There will be opportunities, just get the ball into the hands of your playmakers and let them get out there and do something with it. Don't be afraid to check down....
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#289 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Oct 10, 2024 6:49 pm

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Big J wrote:Why did Salah need to be escorted out of the Jets facility by security? Sounds like he might not be the best dude.


I've never worked for an NFL team, but in my experience its not uncommon for security to see somebody out after they get fired. You never know how somebody is going to react.


I think it's more a reflection of the Jets than Saleh. Everything I've ever heard of Saleh is that he's an upstanding dude who is well-liked by pretty much anyone who has come in contact with him.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#290 » by wco81 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:01 pm

It's Woody Johnson. He probably wasn't too happy with Saleh wearing a patch of a Lebanese flag as a sign of solidarity.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#291 » by zman1 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:26 pm

Big J wrote:Why did Salah need to be escorted out of the Jets facility by security? Sounds like he might not be the best dude.
It's common. Assinine,but common. One day you are a valuable employee, the next you are a threat.

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#292 » by Jikkle » Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:07 pm

Big J wrote:Why did Salah need to be escorted out of the Jets facility by security? Sounds like he might not be the best dude.


Any company that's large enough to have security it's a pretty standard practice to be escorted out by them in a firing.

The way it usually goes is you meet with your boss and security, you're told the reason you're being fired, you get a box and security is there while you box up your crap, you're not allowed to talk to any other employees, and then security escorts you off the premises.

That's the usual practice whether you some low-level employee or even high up in the company.

You could argue they could've done it different because of the high-profile nature of being a head coach in the NFL but the Jets didn't really do anything outside the norm.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#293 » by Harry Palmer » Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:10 pm

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Big J wrote:Why did Salah need to be escorted out of the Jets facility by security? Sounds like he might not be the best dude.


Any company that's large enough to have security it's a pretty standard practice to be escorted out by them in a firing.

The way it usually goes is you meet with your boss and security, you're told the reason you're being fired, you get a box and security is there while you box up your crap, you're not allowed to talk to any other employees, and then security escorts you off the premises.

That's the usual practice whether you some low-level employee or even high up in the company.

You could argue they could've done it different because of the high-profile nature of being a head coach in the NFL but the Jets didn't really do anything outside the norm.


Yeah, my initial reaction was that this shouldn’t apply to NFL coaches but I then realized I had no argument as to why they should be the exception. Maybe as you say profile.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#294 » by Jikkle » Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:22 pm

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Big J wrote:Why did Salah need to be escorted out of the Jets facility by security? Sounds like he might not be the best dude.


Any company that's large enough to have security it's a pretty standard practice to be escorted out by them in a firing.

The way it usually goes is you meet with your boss and security, you're told the reason you're being fired, you get a box and security is there while you box up your crap, you're not allowed to talk to any other employees, and then security escorts you off the premises.

That's the usual practice whether you some low-level employee or even high up in the company.

You could argue they could've done it different because of the high-profile nature of being a head coach in the NFL but the Jets didn't really do anything outside the norm.


Yeah, my initial reaction was that this shouldn’t apply to NFL coaches but I then realized I had no argument as to why they should be the exception. Maybe as you say profile.


Well the main reason they do it isn't because they think Saleh is just going to go into a fit of rage and go crazy on everyone but what they fear is out of spite he can do things to sabotage the company or in this case team.

Not to Saleh would do it and nor do I believe the Jets think he would as well but people that have been just fired tend to not make the best decisions and you don't want him fuming at his computer thinking screw it I'm going to mass email the league all the Jets playbooks.

Sabotage and theft are usually the main reason security follows you. The fear of you flipping out is only part of it.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#295 » by Jikkle » Fri Oct 11, 2024 6:58 am

Just my untrained observations of the defense so far and my criticisms of it.

I can let it pass since the secondary is so injured but I fail to see any reason why Campbell is on the field in passing situations. I know we've always kept 2 LBs on the field in passing situations but that's when Greenlaw and Warner are the two LBs. I've yet to hear any reason why Campbell can't be subbed out for a DB. Maybe there is a reason the defense has to have two LBs on the field and I'm open to that explanation.

That's why it's tough to completely blame Campbell because to me it's up to coaching to put the players in the best positions to succeed and having him out there expecting him to cover guys he can't physically cover isn't putting anyone in the best position to succeed.

That leads me to the second issue that offenses are a little too successful in getting favorable matchups. We almost gave up a deep TD to DK because we have a Safety on him and I even saw Campbell trying to cover Lockett on one play. Which leads into the next issue I have.

Offenses are able to make adjustments at halftime and it seems Sorensen is slow to counter-adjust. We keep seeing opposing offense have more success in the 2nd half where it seems the defense falls apart. Again causal observation but it looks to me that once they find the plays that are working they just keeping running them over and over again with maybe slight variations.

I don't know if it's a play call or communication issue but the secondary can't seem to handle motion very well. Maybe there are numbers to prove me wrong but it's like every time the opposing offense motions into a bunch or motions a guy over at least one guy gets at least a good step on their man and is open for a 3rd down conversion.

When we blitz it just looks so jank and it's so poorly timed that it's easily picked up. This team hardly blitzs and it shows that's for sure. I remember one play tonight where DeMo rushed on a CB blitz and it just looked awful.

I mean we have a mini bye this week but I'm not looking forward to seeing this defense against the Chiefs after a bye week with Andy Ried who has an excellent post bye week record.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#296 » by thesack12 » Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:36 pm

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#297 » by WentzerWuver » Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:41 pm

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#298 » by 49er4life1979 » Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:32 pm

Jikkle wrote:Just my untrained observations of the defense so far and my criticisms of it.

I can let it pass since the secondary is so injured but I fail to see any reason why Campbell is on the field in passing situations. I know we've always kept 2 LBs on the field in passing situations but that's when Greenlaw and Warner are the two LBs. I've yet to hear any reason why Campbell can't be subbed out for a DB. Maybe there is a reason the defense has to have two LBs on the field and I'm open to that explanation.

That's why it's tough to completely blame Campbell because to me it's up to coaching to put the players in the best positions to succeed and having him out there expecting him to cover guys he can't physically cover isn't putting anyone in the best position to succeed.

That leads me to the second issue that offenses are a little too successful in getting favorable matchups. We almost gave up a deep TD to DK because we have a Safety on him and I even saw Campbell trying to cover Lockett on one play. Which leads into the next issue I have.

Offenses are able to make adjustments at halftime and it seems Sorensen is slow to counter-adjust. We keep seeing opposing offense have more success in the 2nd half where it seems the defense falls apart. Again causal observation but it looks to me that once they find the plays that are working they just keeping running them over and over again with maybe slight variations.

I don't know if it's a play call or communication issue but the secondary can't seem to handle motion very well. Maybe there are numbers to prove me wrong but it's like every time the opposing offense motions into a bunch or motions a guy over at least one guy gets at least a good step on their man and is open for a 3rd down conversion.

When we blitz it just looks so jank and it's so poorly timed that it's easily picked up. This team hardly blitzs and it shows that's for sure. I remember one play tonight where DeMo rushed on a CB blitz and it just looked awful.

I mean we have a mini bye this week but I'm not looking forward to seeing this defense against the Chiefs after a bye week with Andy Ried who has an excellent post bye week record.


Dee Winters cannot be any worse than Campbell. Hes younger, quicker, much more athletic. When he was drafted Lynch compared him to Greenlaw to a T. Only thing I can think of is coaches feel he isnt ready. In that case, get an extra Safety in there instead of fricken Campbell. He is killing us.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#299 » by zman1 » Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:54 pm

The one thing really holding this team back is special teams. We could be 5-1 if they just played average. This needs fixed now!

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#300 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:56 pm

Jikkle wrote:Just my untrained observations of the defense so far and my criticisms of it.

I can let it pass since the secondary is so injured but I fail to see any reason why Campbell is on the field in passing situations. I know we've always kept 2 LBs on the field in passing situations but that's when Greenlaw and Warner are the two LBs. I've yet to hear any reason why Campbell can't be subbed out for a DB. Maybe there is a reason the defense has to have two LBs on the field and I'm open to that explanation.

That's why it's tough to completely blame Campbell because to me it's up to coaching to put the players in the best positions to succeed and having him out there expecting him to cover guys he can't physically cover isn't putting anyone in the best position to succeed.

That leads me to the second issue that offenses are a little too successful in getting favorable matchups. We almost gave up a deep TD to DK because we have a Safety on him and I even saw Campbell trying to cover Lockett on one play. Which leads into the next issue I have.

Offenses are able to make adjustments at halftime and it seems Sorensen is slow to counter-adjust. We keep seeing opposing offense have more success in the 2nd half where it seems the defense falls apart. Again causal observation but it looks to me that once they find the plays that are working they just keeping running them over and over again with maybe slight variations.

I don't know if it's a play call or communication issue but the secondary can't seem to handle motion very well. Maybe there are numbers to prove me wrong but it's like every time the opposing offense motions into a bunch or motions a guy over at least one guy gets at least a good step on their man and is open for a 3rd down conversion.

When we blitz it just looks so jank and it's so poorly timed that it's easily picked up. This team hardly blitzs and it shows that's for sure. I remember one play tonight where DeMo rushed on a CB blitz and it just looked awful.

I mean we have a mini bye this week but I'm not looking forward to seeing this defense against the Chiefs after a bye week with Andy Ried who has an excellent post bye week record.


Some good points. We had Campbell covering Metcalf on a crosser that went for a first down on third-and-long. That's insane. Repeatedly have safeties on the top WR. Not sure what they're thinking. If Campbell is going to be on the field, at least blitz him or play him in a zone. He can't cover receivers or even TEs one-on-one.

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