The Knicks And Mavs Have Inquired About Bruce Brown - Mavs Offer Rejected

[Tacoma]

What the Lakers can offer to us?
I was never looking at Mavs and Lakers as a trading partner due to their lack of assets last year, and they may attach negative contract.

We really need to lower the expectations of the return for Bruce Brown. He's expiring and frankly, not that good. We might get a second rounder or middling youngish player (think Agbaji).

I think you need to raise your expectations.lol We'll see. But there are a lot of additional factors that will dictate the return than just whether Bruce Brown is valuable around the league. Are we taking on more money this year? Are we taking on a bad contract that goes out a number of years? You are probably right that if it were possible to make a dollar for dollar trade of just expiring contracts, the pure value for just Bruce may be marginal prospect and a 2nd but the chances that a trade happens in that form are almost zero.

So your “value” argument is to take on a bad contract on top of $23M we just spent to retain him in order to trade him? That’s not my definition of value.

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We really need to lower the expectations of the return for Bruce Brown. He's expiring and frankly, not that good. We might get a second rounder or middling youngish player (think Agbaji).

I think you need to raise your expectations.lol We'll see. But there are a lot of additional factors that will dictate the return than just whether Bruce Brown is valuable around the league. Are we taking on more money this year? Are we taking on a bad contract that goes out a number of years? You are probably right that if it were possible to make a dollar for dollar trade of just expiring contracts, the pure value for just Bruce may be marginal prospect and a 2nd but the chances that a trade happens in that form are almost zero.

So your “value” argument is to take on a bad contract on top of $23M we just spent to retain him in order to trade him? That’s not my definition of value.

I think this falls into the "you gotta spend money, to make money" line of reasoning

[Spida888]

Yup. I suspect that Bruce gets us a contract or two and a first round pick. Or A contract a young guy and a second rounder or two...

Dallas has our second round pick this year so depending on how our season starts its value will fluctuate, but the contracts are really tricky with Dallas. Contracts with Knicks are also tricky.

Atlanta and Memphis the easiest trades to make. Hunter and a First for Brown. Smart and a First for Brown.

Detroit is the new team with our 2025 SRP now.
https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Pistons.htm

[Zeno]

I think you need to raise your expectations.lol We'll see. But there are a lot of additional factors that will dictate the return than just whether Bruce Brown is valuable around the league. Are we taking on more money this year? Are we taking on a bad contract that goes out a number of years? You are probably right that if it were possible to make a dollar for dollar trade of just expiring contracts, the pure value for just Bruce may be marginal prospect and a 2nd but the chances that a trade happens in that form are almost zero.

So your “value” argument is to take on a bad contract on top of $23M we just spent to retain him in order to trade him? That’s not my definition of value.

I think this falls into the "you gotta spend money, to make money" line of reasoning

The use of contracts(especially expiring ones) as conduits for transactions is not a revolutionary idea. It is done all the time. They used Bruce Brown as a placeholder contract. You can debate the value of that of course. But I am just saying that saying a blanket statement like "Bruce brown is worth X" in trade fails to take into account all the factors that go into trades.

[deeps6x]

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The only thing I’d be interested in is MEM’s frp, they obviously wouldn’t entertain anything around GG. If it’s just swapping out for Clarke to be another Precious Achuiwa, I wouldn’t even waste the time and I’m not sure what ATL has to offer other than the long rumoured desire to trade away Hunter. Even if they wanted to slightly expand it by adding some salary to get Bufkin. Where would Bufkin fit in?!

So far the Siakam trade results have been underwhelming but hopefully the FO can pull a rabbit outta the hat like they did with the McDaniels for Mitchell/Shead deal.

I'd be very interested in Memphis' 2024 FRP for BB.

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So your “value” argument is to take on a bad contract on top of $23M we just spent to retain him in order to trade him? That’s not my definition of value.

I think this falls into the "you gotta spend money, to make money" line of reasoning

The use of contracts(especially expiring ones) as conduits for transactions is not a revolutionary idea. It is done all the time. They used Bruce Brown as a placeholder contract. You can debate the value of that of course. But I am just saying that saying a blanket statement like "Bruce brown is worth X" in trade fails to take into account all the factors that go into trades.

The point is that the likely value of a return from him, is low. Just because he could be one piece to a bigger trade doesn't mean his value increased. No one is going to suddenly offer you 3 FRPs cause you added BB to a trade, he is very much likely a SRP as a return. Taking bad some bad salaries and then in turn getting more assets back, doesn't mean that BB was worth those assets.

People don't say "BB is worth X" when referring to him as part of a bigger package, but rather what he would fetch mostly solo. Since there are leaks that showed exactly what he was worth, it's not that far off base.

[Madvillainy2004]

would the nugs consider Zeke and Braun for Brown and a 2nd?

nuggets need to add in another 10 mil in salary just to make it work, there in lies the problem, they either have high salary players or low salary players, no mid range salary players to make numbers work.

NBA needs to allow teams to retain salary in trades. I am sure GMs would love that ability.

That would be a great idea to help solve the problem of all teams having Max/Min guys to help facilitate these kinda trades

[YogurtProducer]

nuggets need to add in another 10 mil in salary just to make it work, there in lies the problem, they either have high salary players or low salary players, no mid range salary players to make numbers work.

NBA needs to allow teams to retain salary in trades. I am sure GMs would love that ability.

That would be a great idea to help solve the problem of all teams having Max/Min guys to help facilitate these kinda trades

It would be great. Like right now with Brown I am sure we would love to be able to trade Brown for a younger player on a rookie and just retain $10M of Browns salary for the season.
But as of now, to make that trade work, we would need to take on two of those guys to match salary yada yada yada.

NHL does it and it works just fine.

[Thaddy]

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The only thing I’d be interested in is MEM’s frp, they obviously wouldn’t entertain anything around GG. If it’s just swapping out for Clarke to be another Precious Achuiwa, I wouldn’t even waste the time and I’m not sure what ATL has to offer other than the long rumoured desire to trade away Hunter. Even if they wanted to slightly expand it by adding some salary to get Bufkin. Where would Bufkin fit in?!

So far the Siakam trade results have been underwhelming but hopefully the FO can pull a rabbit outta the hat like they did with the McDaniels for Mitchell/Shead deal.

I'd be very interested in Memphis' 2024 FRP for BB.

Do you mean the 2025 1st. They have two recent DPOY winners (Smart and JJJ) , Morant, Banes, and Edey looks good. They might end up being the best out of the west. I would rather ship Poeltl or Olynyk with Brown to Golden State.

Brown + Olynyk for Wiggins + Looney + 25' 1st

Poeltl / Looney
Barnes / Boucher
Wiggins / Agbaji
Barrett / Dick
Quickely / Mitchell

Poeltl would be better to trade away at a later date. We could embrace a tank and come away with Flagg or Bailey next year and find a C in free agency.

[OAKLEY_2]

Who the hell wants Wiggins?

I still think he'd be an interesting fit.

Me too. I'd package Brown and Agbaji for Wiggins and a couple of seconds.

It means we could roll with Quick, Barrett, Wiggins, Scottie and Poetl.

Dick would be 6th man.

Mitchell-Shead bench point guards. Dick bench shooting guard. JaKobe at small forward. Mogbo-Boucher at power forward and KO/Fernando at centre.

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The starting 5 grows and the bench crew ensure lotto pick this coming offseason.

[CazOnReal]

would the nugs consider Zeke and Braun for Brown and a 2nd?

The money doesn't work

I think if there's any Raptors/Nuggets trade to be had, it would be that oft-suggested MPJ salary dump for Bruce Brown and one of Olynyk or Boucher.

Frankly, I have no idea which way one would need to send draft capital since Porter is easily the best player in the deal but he's significantly overpaid and it's not like he's some up-and-coming talent, not to mention he's very injury-prone.

[Psubs]

Who the hell wants Wiggins?

I still think he'd be an interesting fit.

Me too. I'd package Brown and Agbaji for Wiggins and a couple of seconds.

It means we could roll with Quick, Barrett, Wiggins, Scottie and Poetl.

Dick would be 6th man.

Mitchell-Shead bench point guards. Dick bench shooting guard. JaKobe at small forward. Mogbo-Boucher at power forward and KO/Fernando at centre.

Any trade for Wiggins, I want Moody. I don't even care about a 1st pick.

Bruce Brown and Ochai Agbaji for Wiggins and Moody

PG IQ - Davion - Shead
SG Dick/Moody - Walter/Ramsey
SF Barrett - Wiggins - Mogbo
PF Barnes - Boucher - Mogbo
C Poeltl - Olynyk - Fernando