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GT Preseason Game #3: Raptors @ Celtics, Sun Oct 13th, 7pm ET, SN

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Re: GT Preseason Game #3: Raptors @ Celtics, Sun Oct 13th, 7pm ET, SN 

Post#561 » by Pointgod » Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:45 pm

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Jadoogar wrote:this team is going to be so hard to watch but we still have too much talent to compete with the bottom feeders. Washington and Brooklyn look like garbage. Even if the Pistons improve by 10 wins, they would still only have 24 wins. Utah is always a shutdown candidate. Portland is led by Scoot Henderson who doesn't look all that improved. Charlotte is one injury away from really sucking.

I sincerely hope we make some tanking moves and get in the bottom otherwise, it's another wasted season


We are going to start out at the bottom. Not because we are worse than WAS or BKN but because of our schedule. 22 of our first 25 games are against teams that won 45+ games last year. Last year (prior to OG trade) we started the season 5-13 against +0.500 teams. There is a real chance we start the season 6-19. If that happens we probably pull the plug before Xmas and embrace a full on tank. I don't think this team is one of the true dregs of the league but I think we're going to find ourselves in an unsurmountable hole.


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Re: GT Preseason Game #3: Raptors @ Celtics, Sun Oct 13th, 7pm ET, SN 

Post#562 » by ForeverTFC » Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:57 pm

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Scase wrote:Really?

Ron Harper Jr. 52 NBA minutes
Anton Watson 0 NBA minutes
JD Davison 105 NBA minutes
Jaden Springer 602 NBA minutes
Drew Peterson 23 NBA minutes
Baylor Scheierman 0 NBA minutes
Dmytro Skapintsev 0 NBA minutes
Neemias Queta 482 NBA minutes
Jordan Walsh 83 NBA minutes
Lonny Walker 6548 NBA minutes
Sam Hauser 3189 NBA minutes
Payton Pritchard 4737 NBA minutes

Total 15,821 NBA minutes. 11,084 of that is made up with 3 players in Pritchard, Hauser, and Walker. 3 players with literally 0 NBA minutes, but effectively 7 of them have about 100min or less, virtually zero NBA playing time.

Ulrich Chomche 0 NBA minutes
Jared Rhoden 443 NBA minutes
Jamison Battle 0 NBA minutes
Branden Carlson 0 NBA minutes
D.J. Carton 36 NBA minutes
Jahmi'us Ramsey 349 NBA minutes
Bruno Fernando 2179 NBA minutes
Jonathan Mogbo 0 NBA minutes
Jamal Shead 0 NBA minutes
Chris Boucher 6354 NBA minutes
Davion Mitchell 4624 NBA minutes
Gradey Dick 1268 NBA minutes
Jakob Poeltl 11634 NBA minutes
Scottie Barnes 7389 NBA minutes
Ochai Agbaji 2850 NBA minutes

Total 37,126 NBA minutes. Jak alone has more NBA experience than their 3 most experienced players combined. 5 players with literally 0 NBA minutes, but effectively only 6 of them have about 100min or less, virtually zero NBA playing time.

Total minutes played in that game from players with 0 or less than ~100 min played :
TOR 59:17
BOS 124:14

So they had basically the same amount of little to no experienced players as we did, those players racked up over twice the amount of minutes played in that game as our inexperienced players. And we had a TON more experience than they did overall, and we're gonna use this excuse?

Acting like the Celtics inexperience that dramatically outweighs ours doesn't exist, is what is incredibly disingenuous. Or does the lack of experience only impact us?


If you read further down the thread, he explained that this is precisely why there is little reason to judge this game when both sides are playing rosters with such limited NBA experience. At no point did he compare the relative inexperience of both teams, and he explained this when another poster already posted what you posted here.

We were missing 2 starters, the Celtics put 2 bench players and 10, 3rd unit, two way, or rookie players on the court. The fact that we couldn't beat 3rd stringers and g leaguers despite missing only 2 key players is cause for concern. Well, not concern I guess since I want us to be terrible, but maybe more of a reality check for people who think this team is going to win anything any time soon.

Out of 240 total minutes in the game, over half of that was played by those 7 players with virtually zero experience, whereas for us, it was only a quarter. That was a much closer representation to what we should be expecting throughout the season, than the C's.

I'm fine with not being up in arms about it, but it is pretty sad to see.


We were also missing Kelly and Bruce Brown. That's 4 of our top 7 rotation guys.

Regardless, I thought you didn't watch the game. So wth are you going on about? They had a really bad first quarter and adjusted in the 2nd half. Scottie specifically laid an egg out there in the first q. Regardless, basketball is a game of runs. Many teams go down in a quarter or two to inferior competition, especially when another team gets hot from 3. Our 3rd stringers beat their 3rd stringers by 28 points in the 2nd half.

It's a pre-season game and we're running rookies out there most of the time. How about keep your opinion to yourself if you're not watching the games? You're out here passing judgement on the team based on less than 1 half of a pre-season game. Do you realize how ridiculous that is?
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Re: GT Preseason Game #3: Raptors @ Celtics, Sun Oct 13th, 7pm ET, SN 

Post#563 » by Scase » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:51 pm

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If you read further down the thread, he explained that this is precisely why there is little reason to judge this game when both sides are playing rosters with such limited NBA experience. At no point did he compare the relative inexperience of both teams, and he explained this when another poster already posted what you posted here.

We were missing 2 starters, the Celtics put 2 bench players and 10, 3rd unit, two way, or rookie players on the court. The fact that we couldn't beat 3rd stringers and g leaguers despite missing only 2 key players is cause for concern. Well, not concern I guess since I want us to be terrible, but maybe more of a reality check for people who think this team is going to win anything any time soon.

Out of 240 total minutes in the game, over half of that was played by those 7 players with virtually zero experience, whereas for us, it was only a quarter. That was a much closer representation to what we should be expecting throughout the season, than the C's.

I'm fine with not being up in arms about it, but it is pretty sad to see.


We were also missing Kelly and Bruce Brown. That's 4 of our top 7 rotation guys.

Regardless, I thought you didn't watch the game. So wth are you going on about? They had a really bad first quarter and adjusted in the 2nd half. Scottie specifically laid an egg out there in the first q. Regardless, basketball is a game of runs. Many teams go down in a quarter or two to inferior competition, especially when another team gets hot from 3. Our 3rd stringers beat their 3rd stringers by 28 points in the 2nd half.

It's a pre-season game and we're running rookies out there most of the time. How about keep your opinion to yourself if you're not watching the games? You're out here passing judgement on the team based on less than 1 half of a pre-season game. Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

Ok and? They were missing 7 rotation guys.

And just because I didn't watch the game that night, doesn't mean I haven't been able to watch game analysis, highlights, or read article breakdowns. So maybe instead of making assumptions, you can scale back the smarmy tone of your post.

I'm not passing judgment, I'm making an observation, and having discussions. On a discussion board. Complaining about someone discussing something, on a discussion board, hmmm I dunno, sounds pretty ridiculous. No?

That's probably asking too much based on the tone of your entire post though.
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Re: GT Preseason Game #3: Raptors @ Celtics, Sun Oct 13th, 7pm ET, SN 

Post#564 » by 6ixset » Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:53 am



Grady was hitting some tough shots in the paint, impressive! :o :o
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Re: GT Preseason Game #3: Raptors @ Celtics, Sun Oct 13th, 7pm ET, SN 

Post#565 » by Dennis 37 » Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:33 pm

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Thaddy wrote:It's obvious we are tanking. We lack shooters and shooting volume. We have no 3+D players on our team.

Then add on to that with a league worst back court defense with IQ, Dick, and RJ. A league worst bench with Olynyk, Brown, and Mitchell.

We are a Washington level team. We're going to be at the bottom of the standing to start the first quarter of the season.

That will lead to some form of a trade to press forward with a tank. Poeltl and our vets won't want to be here, Barnes will sulk, and our guys will take a hit in terms of trade value. Around December we'll likely make trades sending out Poeltl and Brown. This means our league worst back court will be matched with a league worst rim protection.


To me tanking means you have the talent to win games but you sit that talent to lose on purpose. We shouldn't be sitting talent right out of the gate.


We have a bunch of injuries we need to deal with. Brown, Quickely, and Barrett some of our best players will need to sit during the season opener. They are going to be rusty coming in as well, that, along with our difficult schedule is going to put us into a big hole.


Well, yes, if injury requires minute restrictions, then you do that, but that is not tanking, that is taking care of your players. Losing is not tanking. Tanking is sitting talent when they otherwise could be contributing.
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Re: GT Preseason Game #3: Raptors @ Celtics, Sun Oct 13th, 7pm ET, SN 

Post#566 » by Indeed » Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:45 pm

Scase wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
Scase wrote:We were missing 2 starters, the Celtics put 2 bench players and 10, 3rd unit, two way, or rookie players on the court. The fact that we couldn't beat 3rd stringers and g leaguers despite missing only 2 key players is cause for concern. Well, not concern I guess since I want us to be terrible, but maybe more of a reality check for people who think this team is going to win anything any time soon.

Out of 240 total minutes in the game, over half of that was played by those 7 players with virtually zero experience, whereas for us, it was only a quarter. That was a much closer representation to what we should be expecting throughout the season, than the C's.

I'm fine with not being up in arms about it, but it is pretty sad to see.


We were also missing Kelly and Bruce Brown. That's 4 of our top 7 rotation guys.

Regardless, I thought you didn't watch the game. So wth are you going on about? They had a really bad first quarter and adjusted in the 2nd half. Scottie specifically laid an egg out there in the first q. Regardless, basketball is a game of runs. Many teams go down in a quarter or two to inferior competition, especially when another team gets hot from 3. Our 3rd stringers beat their 3rd stringers by 28 points in the 2nd half.

It's a pre-season game and we're running rookies out there most of the time. How about keep your opinion to yourself if you're not watching the games? You're out here passing judgement on the team based on less than 1 half of a pre-season game. Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

Ok and? They were missing 7 rotation guys.

And just because I didn't watch the game that night, doesn't mean I haven't been able to watch game analysis, highlights, or read article breakdowns. So maybe instead of making assumptions, you can scale back the smarmy tone of your post.

I'm not passing judgment, I'm making an observation, and having discussions. On a discussion board. Complaining about someone discussing something, on a discussion board, hmmm I dunno, sounds pretty ridiculous. No?

That's probably asking too much based on the tone of your entire post though.


I watched the game, and I don't think they adjusted in the 2nd half. More like our 3rd stringers beating their 4th stringers by 28 points.

It is a pre-season, but there are a lot possessions that can be reviewed. For example, we let Barnes be free roam and took on Pritchard, but that wasn't working.

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