Kuminga and moody extensions

[Twinkie defense]

Trey Murphy 4/112

Moody contract looking better already.

Does this set any bar for a potential Kuminga deal?

If it does, it won't be for the Warriors!

[Twinkie defense]

Could see the front office putting a 5/150 on the table

max deal.

[Twinkie defense]

Could see the front office putting a 5/150 on the table

max deal.

Is it April 1?

[CDM_Stats]

Trey Murphy 4/112

Moody contract looking better already.

I wanted Trey in that draft and would still take him at 4/112 over Moody at 3/39.

I wonder if they switched teams, if they'd both be in the other's shoes right now

If going year to year, Trey is obviously better right now
If going by age, Moody is better at 21 than Trey at 21

I prefer to go by minutes (in chunks of 100) in these kinds of comps.. and by minutes, they are nearly parallels. There's obviously some wiggle room logically there as Moody's 3 year career of minutes is about the same amount of minutes Trey got in his sophomore year, (about 2500 for both) but it just really highlights that Moody has been underused here and would be getting more minutes, and almost certainly more money, in almost any other location. The difference between a success story and a mostly disappointing pick thus far... well that and 73 million dollars

I love that Moody signed but the dude is practically a saint because I'd be livid and demanding a trade 2 years ago

[vvoland]

Trey Murphy 4/112

Moody contract looking better already.

I wanted Trey in that draft and would still take him at 4/112 over Moody at 3/39.

I wonder if they switched teams, if they'd both be in the other's shoes right now

If going year to year, Trey is obviously better right now
If going by age, Moody is better at 21 than Trey at 21

I prefer to go by minutes (in chunks of 100) in these kinds of comps.. and by minutes, they are nearly parallels. There's obviously some wiggle room logically there as Moody's 3 year career of minutes is about the same amount of minutes Trey got in his sophomore year, (about 2500 for both) but it just really highlights that Moody has been underused here and would be getting more minutes, and almost certainly more money, in almost any other location. The difference between a success story and a mostly disappointing pick thus far... well that and 73 million dollars

I love that Moody signed but the dude is practically a saint because I'd be livid and demanding a trade 2 years ago

Isn't this the same logic people (like myself) who don't think the gap between franz wagner and JK is as large as people think.

Murhpy >>>>> Moody is very much like Wagner >>>>>> JK, no? Both opinions may very well prove to be correct and the two dubs never equal/exceed the two players i mention above. The reason to keep to book open, so to speak, is just what you point out above - the minutes and opportunities afforded to wagner/murphy/green/barnes have been night and day as compared to what MM/JK have received.

That before we get to the fact that the other players are not only given minutes, but also allowed to fail in those minutes and learn from those mistakes. I also wanted murphy (or sengun) in that draft over moody and there's a chance Kerr likes murphy more and plays him a ton (older, better shooter, good decision maker, etc.) from day 1. There's a much better chance, however, that kerr puts murphy in the doghouse over a missed rotation and it's murphy signing the 3/39 and moody the 4/112.

[TB]

Could see the front office putting a 5/150 on the table

max deal.

Is it April 1?

How much do you think Kuminga's camp is after?

I guarantee they view his production, age, and potential trajectory worthy of being closer to the Franz/Scottie deals than the Trey deal. But if the Warriors put the Trey deal or slightly better on the table, it would be hard for Kuminga to turn down. My guess is neither side is okay with that number, thus nothing will happen and Kuminga will likely be traded unless he's a major help to winning games by the deadline.

[marthafokker]

MDJ done right. Have Kuminga proves that he is worth his pay check since he wants the max. Don't have to make the Poole boy mistake again. That was why Myers sucked and gone.

If Kuminga earns it, he can also get a mega deal to be matched by MDJ next season.

[TB]

MDJ done right. Have Kuminga proves that he is worth his pay check since he wants the max. Don't have to make the Poole boy mistake again. That was why Myers sucked and gone.

If Kuminga earns it, he can also get a mega deal to be matched by MDJ next season.

Yup this works well for the Warriors. Not going down the Poole route again.

I'm curious if the Warriors offered anything in the Trey to Green range of an offer. If they did, I think Kuminga was wrong to not accept, but they may not have even been at those numbers with him.

[CDM_Stats]

MDJ done right. Have Kuminga proves that he is worth his pay check since he wants the max. Don't have to make the Poole boy mistake again. That was why Myers sucked and gone.

If Kuminga earns it, he can also get a mega deal to be matched by MDJ next season.

Yup this works well for the Warriors. Not going down the Poole route again.

I'm curious if the Warriors offered anything in the Trey to Green range of an offer. If they did, I think Kuminga was wrong to not accept, but they may not have even been at those numbers with him.

I think they'd have to be around the Trey numbers at least, but yeah not accepting 25-30m AAV would be concerning. He doesnt do anything above average except score and that's the best way to get burnt - find a good scorer and hope they supplement their game with the things that win games

[TB]

Suggs got 5/150. I had Kuminga's number right at that spot, or more importantly, in the Suggs/Trey/Green category. Pretty shocking if Kuminga feels he has proven to be in the Scottie/Franz/Mobley territory.

But hey, not a bad thing from a fan/team perspective if a talented player is betting on himself in a contract year.

[whatisacenter]

MDJ done right. Have Kuminga proves that he is worth his pay check since he wants the max. Don't have to make the Poole boy mistake again. That was why Myers sucked and gone.

If Kuminga earns it, he can also get a mega deal to be matched by MDJ next season.

Yup this works well for the Warriors. Not going down the Poole route again.

I'm curious if the Warriors offered anything in the Trey to Green range of an offer. If they did, I think Kuminga was wrong to not accept, but they may not have even been at those numbers with him.

I think they'd have to be around the Trey numbers at least, but yeah not accepting 25-30m AAV would be concerning. He doesnt do anything above average except score and that's the best way to get burnt - find a good scorer and hope they supplement their game with the things that win games

I’m surprised Moody signed at that number especially when you factor in that he’s represented by Klutch.

I would have told moody and jk to bet on themselves and got to RFA if I weee their agents.

[Twinkie defense]

I love that Moody signed but the dude is practically a saint because I'd be livid and demanding a trade 2 years ago

I know he is a fan favorite but I think there is a widespread belief with the team - including with Steph - that he hasn't been quite ready for a big role. If Steph thinks you're not ready for a big role are you as a young guy gonna think you know better than Steph? Maybe if you're Jordan Poole...

[Twinkie defense]

How much do you think Kuminga's camp is after?

Too much - best to trade him.

[xdrta+]

MDJ done right. Have Kuminga proves that he is worth his pay check since he wants the max. Don't have to make the Poole boy mistake again. That was why Myers sucked and gone.

If Kuminga earns it, he can also get a mega deal to be matched by MDJ next season.

Yup this works well for the Warriors. Not going down the Poole route again.

I'm curious if the Warriors offered anything in the Trey to Green range of an offer. If they did, I think Kuminga was wrong to not accept, but they may not have even been at those numbers with him.

I think he would have accepted that. Seems more likely it wasn't offered.

[Twinkie defense]

I'm curious if the Warriors offered anything in the Trey to Green range of an offer. If they did, I think Kuminga was wrong to not accept, but they may not have even been at those numbers with him.

I'm gonna guess the two sides were just too far apart for a real offer right now.

[Twinkie defense]

I would have told moody and jk to bet on themselves and got to RFA if I weee their agents.

IMO that would have been irresponsible. It's in the agent's interest to get a deal done now but what do you say to these guys if you talked them into passing up millions of dollars and there's no market for them next year? You have to just lay out the scenarios and let the player make the decision he thinks is best for him and his family.

[whatisacenter]

I would have told moody and jk to bet on themselves and got to RFA if I weee their agents.

IMO that would have been irresponsible. It's in the agent's interest to get a deal done now but what do you say to these guys if you talked them into passing up millions of dollars and there's no market for them next year? You have to just lay out the scenarios and let the player make the decision he thinks is best for him and his family.

Well, the warriors haven’t done either of them any favors with their rolls and playing time which has already impacted their first contacts.

They are both so young and I’m sure there are teams who would have paid Moody more than 3/39 and there are teams that will throw some serious cash at JK.

[CDM_Stats]

I love that Moody signed but the dude is practically a saint because I'd be livid and demanding a trade 2 years ago

I know he is a fan favorite but I think there is a widespread belief with the team - including with Steph - that he hasn't been quite ready for a big role. If Steph thinks you're not ready for a big role are you as a young guy gonna think you know better than Steph? Maybe if you're Jordan Poole...

Smart basketball players dont always evaluate well, so yes, I wouldn't just be resigned to my fate because a star player said so, especially if I'm not trying to emulate that player

If Moody isn't ready for a big role, why are they keeping him? They found a suitor for Wiseman even.. if its not working then move on. Having a 4 year development plan for a mid 1st round pick in the NBA isn't a thing.. add into that that Jeremy **** Lamb was given a solid role during the same timeframe despite being underwhelming across the board? Yeah I'd be gone.. frankly I thought JK's griping was a little much considering his role/performance (not that he was being used right, but he definitely got more opps), but if Moody had done it? I'd get it way more. No idea what they want from him considering he's doing exactly what he did at Arkansas

[CDM_Stats]

Yup this works well for the Warriors. Not going down the Poole route again.

I'm curious if the Warriors offered anything in the Trey to Green range of an offer. If they did, I think Kuminga was wrong to not accept, but they may not have even been at those numbers with him.

I think they'd have to be around the Trey numbers at least, but yeah not accepting 25-30m AAV would be concerning. He doesnt do anything above average except score and that's the best way to get burnt - find a good scorer and hope they supplement their game with the things that win games

I’m surprised Moody signed at that number especially when you factor in that he’s represented by Klutch.

I would have told moody and jk to bet on themselves and got to RFA if I weee their agents.

Only problem is that Kerr's leash for Moody is so short that it could put Moody in that journeyman group that is never considered for big contracts.. JK will definitely have enough of a leash this year to earn it with his play. Moody is fighting a much less effective GP2, Lindy Waters, and Buddy Hield for minutes

[Onus]

I'm curious if the Warriors offered anything in the Trey to Green range of an offer. If they did, I think Kuminga was wrong to not accept, but they may not have even been at those numbers with him.

I'm gonna guess the two sides were just too far apart for a real offer right now.

I thought I saw that JK was offered around 30m / year ... but obviously speculation