2024-25 NBA Rookie Discussion Thread

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Which 2 rookies are you most high on / impressed with?

Zach Edey
66
25%
Reed Shephard
26
10%
Zaccharie Risacher
36
14%
Alexandre Sarr
8
3%
Stephon Castle
21
8%
Matas Buzelis
12
5%
Ron Holland
5
2%
Bub Carrington
12
5%
Donovan Clingan
23
9%
Other (Dillingham, Knecht, Eells, Salaün, Williams, Ware, McCain, etc.)
57
21%
 
Total votes: 266

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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#101 » by MessiahUjiri » Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:56 pm

doogie_hauser wrote:For some reason 23 seems ancient for a rookie these days (which I suspect is a big reason why he was a slider)

Would be very surprised if we ever saw a rookie that age go number 1 in the NBA draft again


I’m a fan of 2 year college players, personally.

Based on how much these guys get paid now, and the vets staying longer in the league due to health advancements, the minimum age should be 20 or 21 years old. Most of these guys don’t contribute in year 1.

Or extend rookie contracts to 5 years and include one year of mandatory GLeague as a ramp up year.
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#102 » by HotelVitale » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:57 pm

I don't know what'll happen with Knecht (and haven't watched any preseason games or last night), but it's not uncommon for older rookies come in and play a decent role quickly but then sort of plateau. Offhand I can think of Chris Duarte, Kaminsky, Dario Saric (not to mention other euros who come over when they're like 25-30), Hansborough and John Henson, Al Thornton.

Definitely not saying that'll happen with Knecht, just that it is a thing with older rookies, esp those with solid size but maybe questionable NBA defense and athleticism.
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#103 » by Tottery » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:05 pm

He would be a RoY candidate on another team. He'll barely play when Vando returns.
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#104 » by Billl » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:12 pm

He's a role player. Nothing wrong with that. You put him out there next to some stars who draw a ton of attention and he can knock down some shots. Just don't ask him to do much more than that and he'll be fine.
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#105 » by Jadoogar » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:28 pm

doogie_hauser wrote:For some reason 23 seems ancient for a rookie these days (which I suspect is a big reason why he was a slider)

Would be very surprised if we ever saw a rookie that age go number 1 in the NBA draft again


it kind of is. Most rookies would be starting their second contract at this point.
There's very few seniors that actually become stars. Taking them late in the first or in the second is perfectly fine because getting a role player at that point is a big win. But you shouldn't be taking seniors in the lottery.
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#106 » by Mauro Pedrosa » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:30 pm

He's legitimately very good. The eye test doesn't lie. Smart reads and fearless shooter
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#107 » by Frank Dux » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:39 pm

The Spurs should’ve grabbed him
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#108 » by EmpireFalls » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:43 pm

Cannot believe he fell to 17. Just ridiculous. Even if we suppose he’s peaked already and this is as good as he’ll ever be at 23, he’s clearly going to open up your offense and contribute with his gravity
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#109 » by Bobbymcgee » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:55 pm

Disappointed we didn't see more of him in the second half. I think the Lakers would have blown it open again if he played.
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#110 » by levon » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:56 pm

HotelVitale wrote:I don't know what'll happen with Knecht (and haven't watched any preseason games or last night), but it's not uncommon for older rookies come in and play a decent role quickly but then sort of plateau. Offhand I can think of Chris Duarte, Kaminsky, Dario Saric (not to mention other euros who come over when they're like 25-30), Hansborough and John Henson, Al Thornton.

Definitely not saying that'll happen with Knecht, just that it is a thing with older rookies, esp those with solid size but maybe questionable NBA defense and athleticism.

His athleticism isn't questionable at all. Did you mean sneaky?
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#111 » by Teen Girl Squad » Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:36 pm

levon wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:I don't know what'll happen with Knecht (and haven't watched any preseason games or last night), but it's not uncommon for older rookies come in and play a decent role quickly but then sort of plateau. Offhand I can think of Chris Duarte, Kaminsky, Dario Saric (not to mention other euros who come over when they're like 25-30), Hansborough and John Henson, Al Thornton.

Definitely not saying that'll happen with Knecht, just that it is a thing with older rookies, esp those with solid size but maybe questionable NBA defense and athleticism.

His athleticism isn't questionable at all. Did you mean sneaky?


He tested really well, at least with linear/straight line athleticism. Question with him physically is if he has enough lateral quickness to become a competent defensive player at the NBA level. I don't think he'll ever be a plus defender but I'm optimistic that he may reach neutral one day.
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#112 » by HotelVitale » Wed Oct 23, 2024 5:02 pm

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levon wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:I don't know what'll happen with Knecht (and haven't watched any preseason games or last night), but it's not uncommon for older rookies come in and play a decent role quickly but then sort of plateau. Offhand I can think of Chris Duarte, Kaminsky, Dario Saric (not to mention other euros who come over when they're like 25-30), Hansborough and John Henson, Al Thornton.

Definitely not saying that'll happen with Knecht, just that it is a thing with older rookies, esp those with solid size but maybe questionable NBA defense and athleticism.

His athleticism isn't questionable at all. Did you mean sneaky?


He tested really well, at least with linear/straight line athleticism. Question with him physically is if he has enough lateral quickness to become a competent defensive player at the NBA level. I don't think he'll ever be a plus defender but I'm optimistic that he may reach neutral one day.


Yeah his athleticism was definitely a major reason for his slide, major doubts about his as a NBA defender and other areas (that don’t involve the occasional surprise dunk). Not saying those will end up right but his age was definitely not the only reason he fell like ten spots.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#113 » by zzaj » Wed Oct 23, 2024 6:01 pm

Chokic wrote:How in the world did ppl think Donovan Clingan was a better prospect than Zach Edey? Zach edey was the #1 option that carried purdue to a national championship game and destroyed clingan in head to head matchup. Perfect example of scouts and gms overanalyzing things to sound smarter than they really are.


Easy. Clingan is over 2 years younger than Edey. Clingan is a better defender. Edey has a somewhat polished offensive game, but it requires specific plays run for him in order to unlock his full potential. What would Clingan have looked like with 2 more years of college? That's what we should be comparing...

Clingan plays good defense with opportunistic scoring and is a good passer. Plus he's not "the guy", so he can more easily fit into a variety of offensive schemes. His offense has a ways to go, however.

As for the championship game...if you're looking at boxscore, yeah, Edey put up better numbers. But in the second half UCONN adjusted and Clingan contained Edey well.

Edey is going to be GREAT for the Grizz--his screen setting alone should be an instant boon for that team.

I like both players and am happy that there some new bigs coming into the league that aren't just 'space and pace'.
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Re: Let's talk Dalton Knecht 

Post#114 » by levon » Wed Oct 23, 2024 6:23 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
Teen Girl Squad wrote:
levon wrote:His athleticism isn't questionable at all. Did you mean sneaky?


He tested really well, at least with linear/straight line athleticism. Question with him physically is if he has enough lateral quickness to become a competent defensive player at the NBA level. I don't think he'll ever be a plus defender but I'm optimistic that he may reach neutral one day.


Yeah his athleticism was definitely a major reason for his slide, major doubts about his as a NBA defender and other areas (that don’t involve the occasional surprise dunk). Not saying those will end up right but his age was definitely not the only reason he fell like ten spots.

He's surprisingly found some things with his verticality and strength, especially against straight line drivers at the 3 and 4. Switched onto a guy as shifty as Steph, Trae, or Maxey will probably cook him, but those guys cook everyone.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#115 » by CobraCommander » Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:41 pm

ROY is coming from the Lakers - but it ain’t Bronny- Dalton is a monster - he needs time -

If the lakers smart the is playing mins at the 2 or 3 with Bron Sr playing the 1 - rui PF and AD being AD
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Post#116 » by jayu70 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:14 am

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Re: 2024-25 NBA Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#117 » by doogie_hauser » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:21 am

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Post#118 » by doogie_hauser » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:21 am

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Re: 2024-25 NBA Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#119 » by Catchall » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:19 am

Zach Edey fouled out in 15 mins, finishing with 5 pts and 5 rebs. Athletic 4/5s are going to isolate on him and make him guard back-peddaling.

Cody Williams guarded Ja Morant and Marcus Smart and held his own for the most part. Didn't get a shot attempt and finished with 2 pts from the FT line. He's the 4th or 5th option when he's on the floor and doesn't get touches consistently.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#120 » by hsfolk » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:30 am

Yves Missi (Pelicans) looked pretty good. 12 points, 7 rebounds, 3 block, 1 steal

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