Did Shai surpass Jayson Tatum last year

juju14 · Post #1 » by **juju14** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:29 pm

He was more efficient, led in stocks for Guards and had great playoffs while being 2nd in MVP. While Tatum left some to desire in the playoffs even tho he had all time teams and all time Spacing.
You think it will continue this season with Shai having better season?

Post #2 » by **bisme37** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:30 pm

According to a lot of people, apparently yes.

According to me and numbers and results, no.

DonaldSanders · Post #3 » by **DonaldSanders** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:32 pm

bisme37 wrote:According to a lot of people, apparently yes.

According to me and numbers and results, no.

Dang you had that image ready ninja quick, was that from twitter or some site you can create these?

Bisme, quickest draw in the East.

Post #4 » by **bisme37** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:32 pm

DonaldSanders wrote:
bisme37 wrote:According to a lot of people, apparently yes.

According to me and numbers and results, no.

Dang you had that image ready ninja quick, was that from twitter or some site you can create these?

Bisme, quickest draw in the East.

I'd already posted it on the Celtics board a few weeks ago haha.

canada_dry · Post #5 » by **canada_dry** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:57 pm

Easily.

The year before that actually.

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juju14 · Post #6 » by **juju14** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:58 pm

bisme37 wrote:According to a lot of people, apparently yes.

According to me and numbers and results, no.

Is that last year numbers?

Jaqua92 · Post #7 » by **Jaqua92** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:00 pm

Apparently SGA's one regular season that was better is enough.

People just don't like Boston. No. Of course he's not better than Tatum

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juju14 · Post #8 » by **juju14** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:08 pm

Jaqua92 wrote:Apparently SGA's one regular season that was better is enough.

People just don't like Boston. No. Of course he's not better than Tatum

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He was better in the Playoffs too. Let's see this season

Triple M · Post #9 » by **Triple M** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:09 pm

My rule is the player needs two superior seasons. I dont think after 22-23 most considered SGA ahead of Tatum. But SGA put everything together and really seem to make a big jump last year. Also looking at advanced #s SGA was pretty good in 22-23 as well. In conclusion im fine with rating SGA ahead and have him 5th to Tatum's 6th but i think both players are trying to earn super star billing.

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #10 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:10 pm

bisme37 wrote:According to a lot of people, apparently yes.

According to me and numbers and results, no.

Did SGA pass Tatum in 2023?

"Nope, and I'll tell you why"

*Posts SGA's postseason stats from 4 years before 2023 when he was a rookie and 2nd year player*

Post #11 » by **dockingsched** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:35 pm

SGA received 15 first place mvp votes last year, Tatum has zero for his career. Yeah SGA passed him.

GiannisAnte34 · Post #12 » by **GiannisAnte34** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:38 pm

dockingsched wrote:SGA received 15 first place mvp votes last year, Tatum has zero for his career. Yeah SGA passed him.

SGA also didn't play with 4 All-Stars

islandkid12 · Post #13 » by **islandkid12** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:41 pm

I feel like Tatum's the board's favorite litmus test to how good X player is.. any ideas why?

picc · Post #14 » by **picc** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:49 pm

islandkid12 wrote:I feel like Tatum's the board's favorite litmus test to how good X player is.. any ideas why?

Cause he has the most range out of any top 10 player as to how good he can look on any given night. Sometimes he looks mvp level, sometimes he looks top 20. So no matter who you want to compare him to, there’s a version of him that makes you right.

wegotthabeet · Post #15 » by **wegotthabeet** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:56 pm

juju14 wrote:He was more efficient, led in stocks for Guards and had great playoffs while being 2nd in MVP. While Tatum left some to desire in the playoffs even tho he had all time teams and all time Spacing.
You think it will continue this season with Shai having better season?

Add a poll.

Ritzo · Post #16 » by **Ritzo** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:04 pm

Shai is better at everything, he even surpassed Tatum on defense last season. Tatum just lucky he got drafted in a big market and played with stacked roster since he was drafted.

FrodoFraggins · Post #17 » by **FrodoFraggins** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:05 pm

SGA had a better regular season but it wasn't a huge difference imo. SGA did get DPOY votes where Tatum did not and also placed higher in MVP voting.

In the playoffs Tatum put up more rebounds and the same assists per game but 5 fewer points per game. Tatum's also was noticeably less efficient shooting in the playoffs than the regular season, whereas SGA was more consistent in that regard.

So yeah Shai had a better regular season and his stats look better per game in the playoffs. But it was about half as many games.

Any team would be happy to have either player.

Post #18 » by **bisme37** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:09 pm

picc wrote:
islandkid12 wrote:I feel like Tatum's the board's favorite litmus test to how good X player is.. any ideas why?

Cause he has the most range out of any top 10 player as to how good he can look on any given night. Sometimes he looks mvp level, sometimes he looks top 20. So no matter who you want to compare him to, there’s a version of him that makes you right.

I'm trying to figure out who the best player is that the GB would agree Tatum is better than. A new thread every day asking if Tatum is better than x player and the answer is always no. This is heading to a thread next week asking if Tatum is better than Kyle Kuzma. I'll vote an early no just to kick off the discussion.

picc · Post #19 » by **picc** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:13 pm

bisme37 wrote:
picc wrote:
islandkid12 wrote:I feel like Tatum's the board's favorite litmus test to how good X player is.. any ideas why?

Cause he has the most range out of any top 10 player as to how good he can look on any given night. Sometimes he looks mvp level, sometimes he looks top 20. So no matter who you want to compare him to, there’s a version of him that makes you right.

I'm trying to figure out who the best player is that the GB would agree Tatum is better than. A new thread every day asking if Tatum is better than x player and the answer is always no. This is heading to a thread next week asking if Tatum is better than Kyle Kuzma. I'll vote an early no just to kick off the discussion.

Post #20 » by **bisme37** » Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:16 pm

Buckeye-NBAFan wrote:
bisme37 wrote:According to a lot of people, apparently yes.

According to me and numbers and results, no.

Spoiler:

Did SGA pass Tatum in 2023?

"Nope, and I'll tell you why"

*Posts SGA's postseason stats from 4 years before 2023 when he was a rookie and 2nd year player*

They're the same age. They were both rookies and 2nd year players at one point.

The OP asked a question and I gave a pretty clear answer, and also acknowledged that most people don't agree.

With a question like this there's many ways to look at it.

Has Shai surpassed Tatum career wise? No.

Would he beat Tatum one on one? I don't know but I give JT the edge because of size.

Is he more important to his team? Prolly about even imo.

Did he have a more efficient individual offensive RS last year? Yes.

Has he won anything? No.

I mean I don't know what SGA has done to earn his extremely high ranking among NBA fans and analysts. He's awesome though and I look forward to him getting even better.