MIA - NOP - UTA - HOU: Butler and Ingram

babyjax13 · Post #1 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:19 pm

Picks and small filler as needed (where, from who? I assume just 2nds would be needed?)

MIA trades: Jimmy Butler
in: Brandon Ingram
Miami trades Butler for a younger all-star(ish) player.

NOP trades: Brandon Ingram
in: Dillon Brooks, Walker Kessler, Jock Londale
New Orleans gets a center and serviceable wing for Ingram, opens minutes for Murphy/Jones/Hawkins.

HOU trades: Dillon Brooks, Tari Eason, Jock Londale, Jae'Sean Tate
in: Jimmy Butler
Houston trades for an older star player to mentor Amen Thompson and elevate the team.

UTA trades: Walker Kessler
in: Tari Eason, Jae'Sean Tate (into MLE)
Utah flips Kessler for a wing and sets themselves up to win about 5 games after trading their only good defender. They also get some forward depth after losing Hendricks for the season.

LarsV8 · Post #2 » by **LarsV8** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:12 pm

Again, if we wanted Butler, we would have just preserved our cap space and pursued him in free agency.

Take out Eason, and replace with whatever pick Houston ends up with in 2025 (its complicated and highly variable), top 10 protected.

Would not move any of our young core for him.

babyjax13 · Post #3 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:18 pm

LarsV8 wrote:Again, if we wanted Butler, we would have just preserved our cap space and pursued him in free agency.

Take out Eason, and replace with whatever pick Houston ends up with in 2025 (its complicated and highly variable), top 10 protected.

Would not move any of our young core for him.

I don't think it is ever that simple, like, I could say that about Utah and Giannis. But the truth is, if you want a player sometimes you have to trade for them to guarantee that it happens. Houston *might* be able to sign Jimmy if they have cap space, but there is not guarantee (just as there would be no guarantee that he'd resign, hence why the cost is Tari Eason and not multiple assets).

LarsV8 · Post #4 » by **LarsV8** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:21 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:Again, if we wanted Butler, we would have just preserved our cap space and pursued him in free agency.

Take out Eason, and replace with whatever pick Houston ends up with in 2025 (its complicated and highly variable), top 10 protected.

Would not move any of our young core for him.

I don't think it is ever that simple, like, I could say that about Utah and Giannis. But the truth is, if you want a player sometimes you have to trade for them to guarantee that it happens. Houston *might* be able to sign Jimmy if they have cap space, but there is not guarantee (just as there would be no guarantee that he'd resign, hence why the cost is Tari Eason and not multiple assets).

That may be the case.

But still not moving Eason for him.

Mid first protected would be the offer.

Post #5 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:40 pm

I just don't see it for the Pels. You really dilute Kessler's value by attaching those other contracts to him. Maybe see if a playoff team that doesn't have Herb Jones wants Brooks. Maybe the Hornets think they can be a playoff team with Brooks

NCHeels2008 · Post #6 » by **NCHeels2008** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:46 pm

LarsV8 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:Again, if we wanted Butler, we would have just preserved our cap space and pursued him in free agency.

Take out Eason, and replace with whatever pick Houston ends up with in 2025 (its complicated and highly variable), top 10 protected.

Would not move any of our young core for him.

I don't think it is ever that simple, like, I could say that about Utah and Giannis. But the truth is, if you want a player sometimes you have to trade for them to guarantee that it happens. Houston *might* be able to sign Jimmy if they have cap space, but there is not guarantee (just as there would be no guarantee that he'd resign, hence why the cost is Tari Eason and not multiple assets).

That may be the case.

But still not moving Eason for him.

Mid first protected would be the offer.

dawg your team has like 10 prospects any ways at some point you can't develop all of them

LarsV8 · Post #7 » by **LarsV8** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:07 pm

NCHeels2008 wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I don't think it is ever that simple, like, I could say that about Utah and Giannis. But the truth is, if you want a player sometimes you have to trade for them to guarantee that it happens. Houston *might* be able to sign Jimmy if they have cap space, but there is not guarantee (just as there would be no guarantee that he'd resign, hence why the cost is Tari Eason and not multiple assets).

That may be the case.

But still not moving Eason for him.

Mid first protected would be the offer.

dawg your team has like 10 prospects any ways at some point you can't develop all of them

Seven

Post #8 » by **BBallFreak** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:02 pm

I'd rather have the cap space than Ingram, who I assume is extending. I'm just not a fan. So, I'd rather have the better player for another year and then let him go and have the flexibility, rather than the limited Ingram.

WinterSoldier · Post #9 » by **WinterSoldier** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 4:10 am

LarsV8 wrote:
NCHeels2008 wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
That may be the case.

But still not moving Eason for him.

Mid first protected would be the offer.

dawg your team has like 10 prospects any ways at some point you can't develop all of them

Seven

Whether you can develop them doesn't matter you can't pay them all. You get to pick 3 maybe 4.

RollingWave · Post #10 » by **RollingWave** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:51 am

I mean, if the Rockets were actually interested in Butler, sure.

Nothing their FO have actually done and said suggest that is the case. It's almost certainly Butler's team using Houston as leverage.

LarsV8 · Post #11 » by **LarsV8** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:32 am

WinterSoldier wrote:
Whether you can develop them doesn't matter you can't pay them all. You get to pick 3 maybe 4.

Nah, we choose all 7

WinterSoldier · Post #12 » by **WinterSoldier** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:23 pm

LarsV8 wrote:
WinterSoldier wrote:
Whether you can develop them doesn't matter you can't pay them all. You get to pick 3 maybe 4.

Nah, we choose all 7

I'm sure they'll be the first NBA players ever that don't care about money.

LarsV8 · Post #13 » by **LarsV8** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:20 pm

WinterSoldier wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
WinterSoldier wrote:
Whether you can develop them doesn't matter you can't pay them all. You get to pick 3 maybe 4.

Nah, we choose all 7

I'm sure they'll be the first NBA players ever that don't care about money.

You have shifted your goalpost from "develop" to "pay"

WinterSoldier · Post #14 » by **WinterSoldier** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:44 pm

LarsV8 wrote:
WinterSoldier wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
Nah, we choose all 7

I'm sure they'll be the first NBA players ever that don't care about money.

You have shifted your goalpost from "develop" to "pay"

I didn't shift anything, I said it doesn't matter if you can develop them. My only point was that you can't pay them

ADMVP · Post #15 » by **ADMVP** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 4:14 pm

LarsV8 wrote:
WinterSoldier wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
Nah, we choose all 7

I'm sure they'll be the first NBA players ever that don't care about money.

You have shifted your goalpost from "develop" to "pay"

Nah. You can't do either regardless of where the goalpost is.