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The Moose wrote:The Ryan Dunn shooting revelation is one of the strangest things I can remember in terms of NCAA to NBA immediate translation.
The-Power wrote:The Moose wrote:The Ryan Dunn shooting revelation is one of the strangest things I can remember in terms of NCAA to NBA immediate translation.
Came here to say this. I know the term is overused but in this case it might indeed be aptly used literally: unprecedented. I can't remember anything like it. Especially not from someone who stayed more than one year in college.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:The lack of talent 1-10 in this class is pretty brutal.
FarBeyondDriven wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:The lack of talent 1-10 in this class is pretty brutal.
your take is brutal
FarBeyondDriven wrote:The-Power wrote:The Moose wrote:The Ryan Dunn shooting revelation is one of the strangest things I can remember in terms of NCAA to NBA immediate translation.
Came here to say this. I know the term is overused but in this case it might indeed be aptly used literally: unprecedented. I can't remember anything like it. Especially not from someone who stayed more than one year in college.
almost exactly what happened with Kawhi so not unprecedented
clyde21 wrote:the Dunn thing is entirely unprecedented, I wonder who worked with this him this off-season. dude will be getting a lot of calls.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:clyde21 wrote:the Dunn thing is entirely unprecedented, I wonder who worked with this him this off-season. dude will be getting a lot of calls.
IIRC, Dunn's claim to teams at the combine was that his growth spurt ruined his shot and instead of trying to rebuild it in college, he would just wait until the NBA so he didn't have to change it twice.
Which sounded very weird because why would you risk missing out on guaranteed money instead of rebuilding your shot in college?
But I guess this is what happened...
Dunn was a good shooter in high school as well which made his college ineptitude much stranger.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
The-Power wrote:FarBeyondDriven wrote:The-Power wrote:Came here to say this. I know the term is overused but in this case it might indeed be aptly used literally: unprecedented. I can't remember anything like it. Especially not from someone who stayed more than one year in college.
almost exactly what happened with Kawhi so not unprecedented
Not even close, no.
College Kawhi FT%: 74.4
College Dunn FT%: 52.5
College Kawhi: 0.195 3PAr | 3.7 3PA/100
Rookie Kawhi: 0.270 3PAr | 4.6 3PA/100
College Dunn: 0.189 3PAr | 2.5 3PA/100
Rookie Dunn: 0.714 3PAr | 13.1 3PA/100
It's not just the increase in percentage (we'll see how that plays out over the a larger sample). Dunn turned from someone who cannot shoot and does not shoot from deep to a volume 3pt shooter out of nowhere. Kawhi became more efficient from deep but already flashed more shooting potential in college and did not turn himself into a completely different archetype.
So no, “almost exactly” the same most definitely did not happen to Kawhi. That claim doesn't hold up to even the most basic scrutiny. Kawhi hitting 3s at a better rate is not even remotely the same as Dunn starting to take and make 3s at incredibly high volume in his Rookie season after being close to a non-shooter in college for two consecutive years.
Kawhi's initial jump (from last college season to first NBA season) is more comparable to what we have seen from Anthony Black most recently if you just look at the numbers.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:FarBeyondDriven wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:The lack of talent 1-10 in this class is pretty brutal.
your take is brutal
Sarr is having the best rookie season of any of the guys drafted in the top ten.
He's shooting 30% from the field.
Clingan and Sheppard are barely in their respective rotations, Risacher and Castle and Salaun have been not good, Dillingham has yet to play, Cody Williams is easily the worst player in the NBA, and Edey has... existed I guess.
Maybe Holland has been not that bad? But he's not getting many minutes on a horrible team with Ausar out.
FarBeyondDriven wrote:The-Power wrote:FarBeyondDriven wrote:
almost exactly what happened with Kawhi so not unprecedented
Not even close, no.
College Kawhi FT%: 74.4
College Dunn FT%: 52.5
College Kawhi: 0.195 3PAr | 3.7 3PA/100
Rookie Kawhi: 0.270 3PAr | 4.6 3PA/100
College Dunn: 0.189 3PAr | 2.5 3PA/100
Rookie Dunn: 0.714 3PAr | 13.1 3PA/100
It's not just the increase in percentage (we'll see how that plays out over the a larger sample). Dunn turned from someone who cannot shoot and does not shoot from deep to a volume 3pt shooter out of nowhere. Kawhi became more efficient from deep but already flashed more shooting potential in college and did not turn himself into a completely different archetype.
So no, “almost exactly” the same most definitely did not happen to Kawhi. That claim doesn't hold up to even the most basic scrutiny. Kawhi hitting 3s at a better rate is not even remotely the same as Dunn starting to take and make 3s at incredibly high volume in his Rookie season after being close to a non-shooter in college for two consecutive years.
Kawhi's initial jump (from last college season to first NBA season) is more comparable to what we have seen from Anthony Black most recently if you just look at the numbers.
nOt eVeN cLOsE
please. They both played two years in college. Neither could shoot from three.
Kawhi 21% and 29%
Dunn 31% and 20%
both drafted into the league considered by "scouts" as non-shooters and both shot well from jump
most people when they make outlandish claims and are irrefutably proven wrong just take their L. Seems extremely rare on here. Your upvote buddy doesn't seem to understand what "unprecedented" means either. Too funny
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
The Moose wrote:It's interesting that the number 1 pick in this draft is currently dead last in the entire league in BPM and VORP and pretty much nobody is even mentioning a word about it here
The expectations for Risacher really were extremely low
clyde21 wrote:The Moose wrote:It's interesting that the number 1 pick in this draft is currently dead last in the entire league in BPM and VORP and pretty much nobody is even mentioning a word about it here
The expectations for Risacher really were extremely low
the only rook with more than 100 minutes and a positive BPM right now is Jonathan Mogbo, usually rooks do terrible in this stat
The Moose wrote:clyde21 wrote:The Moose wrote:It's interesting that the number 1 pick in this draft is currently dead last in the entire league in BPM and VORP and pretty much nobody is even mentioning a word about it here
The expectations for Risacher really were extremely low
the only rook with more than 100 minutes and a positive BPM right now is Jonathan Mogbo, usually rooks do terrible in this stat
That’s true, my point is more about the discourse around him though. If any other recent number 1 pick had been this awful to start his career there would be plenty of pre draft skeptics taking laps, I’m pretty positive on that.
Not even his pre draft skeptics are taking laps because the expectations seemed to be that low and that’s all I’m saying. I can’t remember a less talked about 1st pick since Bennett
