OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us

[mpharris36]

Defense wasn’t great, offense is still worse though.

Overall yes obviously. In this game they were worse.

It’s hard to say….kinda the same in this one. Both bad in the 1st half, both better in the 2nd. Wash is an elite offense so def not easy to hold them. Negative passing yards in the first half….that’s worse then anything the defense did

You gotta put that in context though. We ran down there throats in the 1st half. I think we only threw 4 passes and 1 of those being a play action TD.

We had a 16 play 73 yard 10 minute drive in the 1st half where we ran the ball 14 out of the 16 plays. I don't consider that a bad drive it just what the situation allowed.

We also had a drive we probably were going to score and ran the ball every play except the 1st down screen pass that the LT totally threw a lookout block that forced that fumble.

And the TD given up right before the half by the defense was a disgrace. 3rd and long and washington was basically throwing a dump pass to set up a FG and we miss yet another tackle and then on next play Banks is clueless allowing a TD.

Again I'm not comparing there full body of work this season, this game we were moving the ball and couldn't stop them and provided zero resistance. Our front 7 is suppose to be the backbone of the roster.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Overall yes obviously. In this game they were worse.

It’s hard to say….kinda the same in this one. Both bad in the 1st half, both better in the 2nd. Wash is an elite offense so def not easy to hold them. Negative passing yards in the first half….that’s worse then anything the defense did

You gotta put that in context though. We ran down there throats in the 1st half. I think we only threw 4 passes and 1 of those being a play action TD.

We had a 16 play 73 yard 10 minute drive in the 1st half where we ran the ball 14 out of the 16 plays. I don't consider that a bad drive it just what the situation allowed.

We also had a drive we probably were going to score and ran the ball every play except the 1st down screen pass that the LT totally threw a lookout block that forced that fumble.

And the TD given up right before the half by the defense was a disgrace. 3rd and long and washington was basically throwing a dump pass to set up a FG and we miss yet another tackle and then on next play Banks is clueless allowing a TD.

Again I'm not comparing there full body of work this season, this game we were moving the ball and couldn't stop them and provided zero resistance. Our front 7 is suppose to be the backbone of the roster.

The giants were moving the ball well but 7 points in the first half isn't going to cut it. They still make way too many mistakes... not executing... penalties, turnovers, drops, bad throws, miscues.... Just struggle to put points on the board....22 points is ok, and one of our better games but not going to get it done against
Washington either.

But yea, defense def was disappointing and played bad in this one. We probably expect better from them.

In the end neither played well enough to win though. They both have a lot of issues

[mpharris36]

It’s hard to say….kinda the same in this one. Both bad in the 1st half, both better in the 2nd. Wash is an elite offense so def not easy to hold them. Negative passing yards in the first half….that’s worse then anything the defense did

You gotta put that in context though. We ran down there throats in the 1st half. I think we only threw 4 passes and 1 of those being a play action TD.

We had a 16 play 73 yard 10 minute drive in the 1st half where we ran the ball 14 out of the 16 plays. I don't consider that a bad drive it just what the situation allowed.

We also had a drive we probably were going to score and ran the ball every play except the 1st down screen pass that the LT totally threw a lookout block that forced that fumble.

And the TD given up right before the half by the defense was a disgrace. 3rd and long and washington was basically throwing a dump pass to set up a FG and we miss yet another tackle and then on next play Banks is clueless allowing a TD.

Again I'm not comparing there full body of work this season, this game we were moving the ball and couldn't stop them and provided zero resistance. Our front 7 is suppose to be the backbone of the roster.

The giants were moving the ball well but 7 points in the first half isn't going to cut it. They still make way too many mistakes... not executing... penalties, turnovers, drops, bad throws, miscues.... Just struggle to put points on the board....22 points is ok, and one of our better games but not going to get it done against
Washington either.

But yea, defense def was disappointing and played bad in this one. We probably expect better from them.

In the end neither played well enough to win though. They both have a lot of issues

Yeah I hear and thats my overarching issue. I think we got a lot of issues other than the obvious one which we will try to address this offseason.

The big question should we be trusting Schoen/Daboll to make that call...

[mpharris36]

Trevor Lawrence is frustrating. They should have won that game and he makes some really nice throws. But then he makes that decision on 1st down on the 10...throwing a jump ball to a running back?

No reason to force that throw.

[DOT]

Meh, that is what it is with Trevor

He makes some bad decisions, but he's usually the only reason we're in games

Doug and Press are football terrorists though. They needed to be fired at the end of last year.

[KOA]

The tank is strong this year. 9 teams tied with 2 wins through 9 games.

[Deeeez Knicks]

You gotta put that in context though. We ran down there throats in the 1st half. I think we only threw 4 passes and 1 of those being a play action TD.

We had a 16 play 73 yard 10 minute drive in the 1st half where we ran the ball 14 out of the 16 plays. I don't consider that a bad drive it just what the situation allowed.

We also had a drive we probably were going to score and ran the ball every play except the 1st down screen pass that the LT totally threw a lookout block that forced that fumble.

And the TD given up right before the half by the defense was a disgrace. 3rd and long and washington was basically throwing a dump pass to set up a FG and we miss yet another tackle and then on next play Banks is clueless allowing a TD.

Again I'm not comparing there full body of work this season, this game we were moving the ball and couldn't stop them and provided zero resistance. Our front 7 is suppose to be the backbone of the roster.

The giants were moving the ball well but 7 points in the first half isn't going to cut it. They still make way too many mistakes... not executing... penalties, turnovers, drops, bad throws, miscues.... Just struggle to put points on the board....22 points is ok, and one of our better games but not going to get it done against
Washington either.

But yea, defense def was disappointing and played bad in this one. We probably expect better from them.

In the end neither played well enough to win though. They both have a lot of issues

Yeah I hear and thats my overarching issue. I think we got a lot of issues other than the obvious one which we will try to address this offseason.

The big question should we be trusting Schoen/Daboll to make that call...

At this point I would clean house but then can we trust Mara to hire the right guy?

I think we will fire Daboll and Schoen may get some more time. It wont happen with so many jobs on the line but it would be nice if we could somehow lose out and get Ward

[mpharris36]

The giants were moving the ball well but 7 points in the first half isn't going to cut it. They still make way too many mistakes... not executing... penalties, turnovers, drops, bad throws, miscues.... Just struggle to put points on the board....22 points is ok, and one of our better games but not going to get it done against
Washington either.

But yea, defense def was disappointing and played bad in this one. We probably expect better from them.

In the end neither played well enough to win though. They both have a lot of issues

Yeah I hear and thats my overarching issue. I think we got a lot of issues other than the obvious one which we will try to address this offseason.

The big question should we be trusting Schoen/Daboll to make that call...

At this point I would clean house but then can we trust Mara to hire the right guy?

I think we will fire Daboll and Schoen may get some more time. It wont happen with so many jobs on the line but it would be nice if we could somehow lose out and get Ward

Yeah Ward is certainly the guy I would be targeting.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Remember not so long ago when we still sucked but were at least better than Washington? Not anymore.

And it's not just that they did the right thing and lost the right amount of games to put them in position to draft their QB of the future. How are those memorable DeVito wins feeling right now? Those were such character and culture changing wins! Commanders got it right with the Dan Quinn and his staff. And of course the change of ownership helped too. We are officially a distant fourth in the division with no light at the end of the tunnel.

I honestly want Schoen and Daboll out of here. I do not see it working out or getting any better even if they draft a QB. Like if we had Daniels or Caleb Williams on this team, are we really any better? I don't think we would be. Not with this OL, lack of weapons, amateurish playcalling and undisciplined penalty happy roster. This is not me defending Jones but this team is not just a QB away. The majority of the roster is just trash except for maybe 4 or 5 players. It's year #3! Neal and Hyatt don't even see the field as high picks! And Thibodeaux isn't anything special either. Ojulari, who is going to be a career journey man and just a 3rd down specialist, is at his level. Honestly nobody drafted by Schoen is anything special except Nabers. Schoen's gotta go!

Daboll is awful too. WTF was that play calling running the ball on every play in the first half? Way to kill the confidence and trust in your skill players. And when the **** is he gonna learn to stop going for 2 points? He is just not it guys. I know he started 6-2 and won COY his first season but everything after that has been just awful. And he should not get any credit for having the team play hard. They are supposed to do that! So you should only move on from a coach when the players stop playing hard? I just don't get why the media and some fans defend this guy. His playcalling stinks, he throws his players under the bus, he has gotten outcoached way more than he's coached good games and this team plays too undisciplined and stupid. I know the Slayton penalty that took away the TD was a bad questionable call but why does it seem like that only happens to us every damn week?

Tomorrow is the trade deadline and any smart front office would have a sale and send off Slayton, Ojulari, Neal and Hyatt but this idiot will not do a damn thing. Watch!

I'm not sure who is the answer out there but Schoen and Daboll need to go! You should not keep a failing trash regime because you'd be embarrassed to reset the franchise again with a new one. Schone and Daboll have shown nothing that says keeping them and giving them more time means they are on the right track. We are in the Isiah Thomas, Phil Jackson and Steve Mills era with this franchise and these two clowns.

Seriously, where do you think this franchise will be in 3 years, 26-27 if we keep these guys? Cause I still see us being the 4th team in this division with a bust at QB.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Remember not so long ago when we still sucked but were at least better than Washington? Not anymore.

And it's not just that they did the right thing and lost the right amount of games to put them in position to draft their QB of the future. How are those memorable DeVito wins feeling right now? Those were such character and culture changing wins! Commanders got it right with the Dan Quinn and his staff. And of course the change of ownership helped too. We are officially a distant fourth in the division with no light at the end of the tunnel.

I honestly want Schoen and Daboll out of here. I do not see it working out or getting any better even if they draft a QB. Like if we had Daniels or Caleb Williams on this team, are we really any better? I don't think we would be. Not with this OL, lack of weapons, amateurish playcalling and undisciplined penalty happy roster. This is not me defending Jones but this team is not just a QB away. The majority of the roster is just trash except for maybe 4 or 5 players. It's year #3! Neal and Hyatt don't even see the field as high picks! And Thibodeaux isn't anything special either. Ojulari, who is going to be a career journey man and just a 3rd down specialist, is at his level. Honestly nobody drafted by Schoen is anything special except Nabers. Schoen's gotta go!

Daboll is awful too. WTF was that play calling running the ball on every play in the first half? Way to kill the confidence and trust in your skill players. And when the **** is he gonna learn to stop going for 2 points? He is just not it guys. I know he started 6-2 and won COY his first season but everything after that has been just awful. And he should not get any credit for having the team play hard. They are supposed to do that! So you should only move on from a coach when the players stop playing hard? I just don't get why the media and some fans defend this guy. His playcalling stinks, he throws his players under the bus, he has gotten outcoached way more than he's coached good games and this team plays too undisciplined and stupid. I know the Slayton penalty that took away the TD was a bad questionable call but why does it seem like that only happens to us every damn week?

Tomorrow is the trade deadline and any smart front office would have a sale and send off Slayton, Ojulari, Neal and Hyatt but this idiot will not do a damn thing. Watch!

I'm not sure who is the answer out there but Schoen and Daboll need to go! You should not keep a failing trash regime because you'd be embarrassed to reset the franchise again with a new one. Schone and Daboll have shown nothing that says keeping them and giving them more time means they are on the right track. We are in the Isiah Thomas, Phil Jackson and Steve Mills era with this franchise and these two clowns.

Seriously, where do you think this franchise will be in 3 years, 26-27 if we keep these guys? Cause I still see us being the 4th team in this division with a bust at QB.

i think if we had jayden daniels and washington had daniel jones, we'd have a winning record and they'd have a losing record.

sleepy joe didn't trade saquon or mckinney at least years trade deadline either so yeah, i wouldn't expect his ass to wake up and do anything either year either.

we can only hope mara gets off of these guys when the season ends, but just last week, he said he's going to be patient with them so unfortunately, we might be in for at least another year of these guys

[MrDollarBills]

Schoen's first two draft classes have set this team back a decade.

I wasn't a fan of firing both because of the constant turnover of the past several years but these guys look awful right now. It's not just about Daniel Jones. I see zero development happening here. All the 2nd and 3rd year guys suck balls.

No confidence.

[FrozenEnvelope]

i think if we had jayden daniels and washington had daniel jones, we'd have a winning record and they'd have a losing record.

sleepy joe didn't trade saquon or mckinney at least years trade deadline either so yeah, i wouldn't expect his ass to wake up and do anything either year either.

we can only hope mara gets off of these guys when the season ends, but just last week, he said he's going to be patient with them so unfortunately, we might be in for at least another year of these guys

We'll agree to disagree. I just don't see Daniels having 9 TD, 2 INTs and 4 rushing TDs with this OL, these weapons (Slayton, Robinson and the TEs all stink) and that coaching scheme. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle but that still wouldn't be good enough.

This franchise needs a hard reset. All scouts and front office personnel need to be fired. Only the Panthers have a worst roster top to bottom than us. That's just not acceptable after 3 drafts and free agent money to spend.

[Ghetto Gospel]

i think if we had jayden daniels and washington had daniel jones, we'd have a winning record and they'd have a losing record.

sleepy joe didn't trade saquon or mckinney at least years trade deadline either so yeah, i wouldn't expect his ass to wake up and do anything either year either.

we can only hope mara gets off of these guys when the season ends, but just last week, he said he's going to be patient with them so unfortunately, we might be in for at least another year of these guys

We'll agree to disagree. I just don't see Daniels having 9 TD, 2 INTs and 4 rushing TDs with this OL, these weapons (Slayton, Robinson and the TEs all stink) and that coaching scheme. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle but that still wouldn't be good enough.

This franchise needs a hard reset. All scouts and front office personnel need to be fired. Only the Panthers have a worst roster top to bottom than us. That's just not acceptable after 3 drafts and free agent money to spend.

who are the weapons in WAS outside of terry mclaurin?

i also think our OL was actually pretty reasonably good until andrew thomas got hurt. just a reminder that our previously much maligned OL coach bobby johnson signed with WAS a few months back and lots of people here took a victory lap over how bad the WAS OL would be. as it turns out a super athletic QB that can get rid of the ball quick can overcome a relatively weak OL..

i do agree that we need to reset though, it just looks like mara won't do it for at least another year

[Gravy]

I'll let them tank in peace. Keep losing and get a QB, the Commanders turned it around in a year.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Knew Schoen wasn't gonna make any trades and instead chase wins with vets that will walk for nothing in the offseason. As if 6 wins is any better then 3.

[MrDollarBills]

I'll let them tank in peace. Keep losing and get a QB, the Commanders turned it around in a year.

The only concern is that the number of QBs that have become reliable players over the last few drafts are slim.

I don't trust Schoen to pick that guy

[Ghetto Gospel]

sleepy joe schoen does nothing again, no surprises here

[mpharris36]

sleepy joe schoen does nothing again, no surprises here

I can't really blame him for not moving Ojalari or Slayton if the best offers was 6th or 7th rounders. You probably are going to get better return with a potential comp pick in the offseason.

For what the other edge guys get I don't think much was out there. If a 5th was on the table I think he would have pulled the trigger per the reports.

[Gravy]

I'll let them tank in peace. Keep losing and get a QB, the Commanders turned it around in a year.

The only concern is that the number of QBs that have become reliable players over the last few drafts are slim.

I don't trust Schoen to pick that guy

Its too early to know what pick we have and which QBs are rated high. Its not supposed to be a good draft for them so that sucks

[Ghetto Gospel]

sleepy joe schoen does nothing again, no surprises here

I can't really blame him for not moving Ojalari or Slayton if the best offers was 6th or 7th rounders. You probably are going to get better return with a potential comp pick in the offseason.

For what the other edge guys get I don't think much was out there. If a 5th was on the table I think he would have pulled the trigger per the reports.

yeah but isn't there a chance we don't get any comp pick? i think there's some formula based on what free agents we sign and at what dollar value and blah blah blah.

idk, to me, it's only really justifiable imo if we resign them. other teams like the browns, panthers and saints clearly understood the assignment and what to do at the trade deadline