Memphis needs to trade their glut of PFs, right? (Proposals)

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Re: Memphis needs to trade their glut of PFs, right? (Proposals) 

Post#41 » by Thaddy » Sat Nov 2, 2024 8:57 am

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babyjax13 wrote:2 low 1sts. One seems fine, a few high seconds seems fine. It really doesn't matter what Edey is doing right now, Memphis can find plenty of competent rotation level centers for a lower cost than Poeltl (and I like Poeltl quite a bit). e.g., Robert Williams should be available for some seconds, Nick Richards is probably available, Kessler would be available for the package you are proposing but he is paid way less, Goga will be available, etc.

Poeltl is better than Williams, Goga and Richards. Kessler will cost more since he's young and Ainge isn't selling cheap.

Toronto gave up what was consider a play in or lower pick. That's 12-20 range based on how they thought it would turn out. They aren't selling for anything less especially since he's on a better contract now.

I realize he is better, but my point was that Memphis has much better options than sending two firsts for Poeltl. If Toronto wants to hold onto Poeltl and lose him for nothing or just watch him age out on their team ... well, that would be par for the course for post championship Ujiri.

A first round pick isn't that valuable. Teams prefer high seconds rather than low first due to contract flexibility. The Grizz are competitive and want to get the best C they can while also developing Edey. Poeltl is a player that can help you win right away, and he would accept a bench role once Edey is ready to take over. Poeltl has experience playing on both good and rebuilding teams, that would make him a better fit than most attainable Cs
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Re: Memphis needs to trade their glut of PFs, right? (Proposals) 

Post#42 » by Devilanche » Sat Nov 2, 2024 9:55 am

Thaddy wrote:A first round pick isn't that valuable. Teams prefer high seconds rather than low first due to contract flexibility. The Grizz are competitive and want to get the best C they can while also developing Edey. Poeltl is a player that can help you win right away, and he would accept a bench role once Edey is ready to take over. Poeltl has experience playing on both good and rebuilding teams, that would make him a better fit than most attainable Cs

Do you mean teams prefer multiple chances of 2nds rather than pick 30 from OKC/boston ?
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Re: Memphis needs to trade their glut of PFs, right? (Proposals) 

Post#43 » by Thaddy » Sat Nov 2, 2024 2:14 pm

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Thaddy wrote:A first round pick isn't that valuable. Teams prefer high seconds rather than low first due to contract flexibility. The Grizz are competitive and want to get the best C they can while also developing Edey. Poeltl is a player that can help you win right away, and he would accept a bench role once Edey is ready to take over. Poeltl has experience playing on both good and rebuilding teams, that would make him a better fit than most attainable Cs

Do you mean teams prefer multiple chances of 2nds rather than pick 30 from OKC/boston ?

Pick 31 is more valuable than pick 30 for several reasons.
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Re: Memphis needs to trade their glut of PFs, right? (Proposals) 

Post#44 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Nov 2, 2024 2:38 pm

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Thaddy wrote:A first round pick isn't that valuable. Teams prefer high seconds rather than low first due to contract flexibility. The Grizz are competitive and want to get the best C they can while also developing Edey. Poeltl is a player that can help you win right away, and he would accept a bench role once Edey is ready to take over. Poeltl has experience playing on both good and rebuilding teams, that would make him a better fit than most attainable Cs

Do you mean teams prefer multiple chances of 2nds rather than pick 30 from OKC/boston ?

Pick 31 is more valuable than pick 30 for several reasons.



No it isn’t. Know how we know that? We’ve never once seen the team with 30 pay to move down to 31, but we see teams pay to move from 31 up to 30. We’ve also often seen pick 31 get paid more than 30, and have one less year of team control before restricted free agency.

We randomly hear this every year around the draft, and it’s proven false every year.
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Re: Memphis needs to trade their glut of PFs, right? (Proposals) 

Post#45 » by babyjax13 » Sat Nov 2, 2024 5:38 pm

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Thaddy wrote:Poeltl is better than Williams, Goga and Richards. Kessler will cost more since he's young and Ainge isn't selling cheap.

Toronto gave up what was consider a play in or lower pick. That's 12-20 range based on how they thought it would turn out. They aren't selling for anything less especially since he's on a better contract now.

I realize he is better, but my point was that Memphis has much better options than sending two firsts for Poeltl. If Toronto wants to hold onto Poeltl and lose him for nothing or just watch him age out on their team ... well, that would be par for the course for post championship Ujiri.

A first round pick isn't that valuable. Teams prefer high seconds rather than low first due to contract flexibility. The Grizz are competitive and want to get the best C they can while also developing Edey. Poeltl is a player that can help you win right away, and he would accept a bench role once Edey is ready to take over. Poeltl has experience playing on both good and rebuilding teams, that would make him a better fit than most attainable Cs

no, early seconds are not more valuable than firsts, teams are not calling each other to ask if they'll trade the 31st pick for the 30th and cash
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Re: Memphis needs to trade their glut of PFs, right? (Proposals) 

Post#46 » by esvl » Sun Nov 3, 2024 8:44 am

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esvl wrote:It is Toronto that should attach FRP to Poeltl to get Memphis FO’s attention.

You are out of your mind


Nobody in Memphis is interested in Poeltl, so if you want to sell him - that’s how you get buyers’ attention.
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Re: Memphis needs to trade their glut of PFs, right? (Proposals) 

Post#47 » by QMemphis » Mon Nov 4, 2024 8:26 pm

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Thaddy wrote:Poeltl for Kennard, LaRavia, and 2 first round picks. Edey isn't ready but they are capable of going on a playoff run with JJJ, Morant, and Banes as their core. Smart and Poeltl are solid role players and then they'd need to look towards their bench and see if the 6th to 9th roles could be filled by GG Jackson, Konchar, Clarke, Aldama, VWill, or Edey. Toronto could win that trade if the Grizz don't become contenders in the next few years or they fall off due to leadership issues.



We absolutely would be against sending two first for Poeltl. We could simply just develop Edey or trade for a cheaper center to rebound and defend for 25 minutes.

They wouldn't be lottery picks. The Grizz should be a playoff team and the idea is that a top 10-15 center helps them get over the hump and turn into a top 1-5 team. The picks should ideally be in the 25-30 range for the Grizz. The Raptors may also be willing to take on Clarke's contract if the Grizz want to off load that.

Edey has very bad impact stats at the moment. This could turn around but he's more of a Boban than a contender level starter.


Though we may agree on Edey for now, I am not comfortable nor would our front office paying two 1st for a player that would not close games for us.
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Re: Memphis needs to trade their glut of PFs, right? (Proposals) 

Post#48 » by Thaddy » Tue Nov 5, 2024 9:20 am

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We absolutely would be against sending two first for Poeltl. We could simply just develop Edey or trade for a cheaper center to rebound and defend for 25 minutes.

They wouldn't be lottery picks. The Grizz should be a playoff team and the idea is that a top 10-15 center helps them get over the hump and turn into a top 1-5 team. The picks should ideally be in the 25-30 range for the Grizz. The Raptors may also be willing to take on Clarke's contract if the Grizz want to off load that.

Edey has very bad impact stats at the moment. This could turn around but he's more of a Boban than a contender level starter.


Though we may agree on Edey for now, I am not comfortable nor would our front office paying two 1st for a player that would not close games for us.

That definitely is a knock on Poeltl. I agree it's hard to pay for a player that can't finish games. I'd argue the point of Poeltl or a big C is to keep JJJ fresh for those end game moments. You could go small and have more half court creation talent on the floor for the decreased pace and half court sets.
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Post#49 » by clippertown » Tue Nov 5, 2024 6:50 pm

Clips would entertain a trade of Santi for Bones Hyland.

Its unfortunate that Bones cannot make the LAC roster as he has some serious upside in the right situation.
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Post#50 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Nov 5, 2024 6:52 pm

clippertown wrote:Clips would entertain a trade of Santi for Bones Hyland.

Its unfortunate that Bones cannot make the LAC roster as he has some serious upside in the right situation.


Santi has much more value than Bones.

Hyland has had numerous shots. Its pretty likely that he never 'gets it'.
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Re: Memphis needs to trade their glut of PFs, right? (Proposals) 

Post#51 » by babyjax13 » Tue Nov 5, 2024 7:03 pm

clippertown wrote:Clips would entertain a trade of Santi for Bones Hyland.

Its unfortunate that Bones cannot make the LAC roster as he has some serious upside in the right situation.

Aldama is a good player and Bones might never play in the NBA after this season. Maybe Bones for LaRavia wouod work if Memphis just wants an emergency sparkplug.
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Re: Memphis needs to trade their glut of PFs, right? (Proposals) 

Post#52 » by esvl » Tue Nov 5, 2024 7:32 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
clippertown wrote:Clips would entertain a trade of Santi for Bones Hyland.

Its unfortunate that Bones cannot make the LAC roster as he has some serious upside in the right situation.

Aldama is a good player and Bones might never play in the NBA after this season. Maybe Bones for LaRavia wouod work if Memphis just wants an emergency sparkplug.


No it doesn’t

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