PG: Knicks lose to Pacers - Thibs is a Terrorist

[Jstock12]

THIS. CAN'T. HAPPEN.

[Jstock12]

It's looking like a lose-lose trade for both teams

[thebuzzardman]

Can't believe the Knicks are stuck with this sh*t squad for the next 4 years, with no assets to improve or rebuild

[Reign23]

pacers are down 3 rotation players right now and still played a full bench.

when we lose a player thibs just gives more mintues to the starters...he is a good foundation builder but he is way out of his element coaching this style of basketball.

he is just flat out awful at this. grinding the starters 40+ minutes in early november AND lose is really peak thibs.

[kNicksGmen]

It's looking like a lose-lose trade for both teams

feels like both teams made the move in large part for financial reasons. wolves didn't want to keep paying Kat all that money in the new CBA and knicks didn't want to extend julius at a max number.

[3toheadmelo]

Bridges is shooting a career low from three, and he's been to the line 1 time in the last 5 games. I'm going to assume he's afraid of contact because his freethrow shot is broken, that is also a career low for freethrows at 1 per game. He took 3.9 last year, and 6.6 per game with the Nets in his first year with them. We've seen enough of his shooting so far, and I think it's safe to say his shot is broken.

If he can't perform better than this we're screwed.

This is what Brooklyn gave us

[kNicksGmen]

i wonder how good this team could be with an actual PG.

i remember last year that was the main thing i felt this team needed this offseason - an upgrade at PG. ideally a guy that comes off the bench to backup brunson but also play with him. let brunson play off ball or look to do what he does which is score on ball when he has it.

it's even more critical in this nonsense offense thibs runs. you need a ball handler that can set the table. get into the paint and set guys up etc. brunson isn't that and probably never will be.

if you look at the roster critically, there are no real "break you down off the dribble" guys other than brunson. bridges? nope. hart? OG? hell no. Kat? he can drive a bit but is a big slow 7 footer. team lacks ball handling and creation.

would have probably been better off getting someone like tyus jones instead of bridges. biggest loss of randle was his ability to generate looks for others.

when was the last time brunson broke down the defense and sprayed it to a wide open shooter? it essentially never happens. randle for all his flaws would be generating 6+ of those per game at minimum.

[Reign23]

here is what I don't get about the Bridges "thing".
We gave up our 3rd and 4th scoring option for OG and then paying him an absolute fortune. he also showed that he has the bag to be a good 3rd option on a contender.

So why not trade for a better fit (means better defender and/or shooter) and keep draft picks if we don't use Bridges as a top 3 option?
For 1-2 picks you could have gotten Caruso for example. Or go after Wiggins, Jerami Grant, DeAndre Hunter etc and keep the assets for another depth-move. just don't get it.

[thebuzzardman]

Karlmelo Townthany: That overpriced player that doesn't make you better

Mikal Bridges New Age Charles Smith: The player Knicks get to upgrade a position but makes it worse instead

[TheGreenArrow]

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[whocares1]

here is what I don't get about the Bridges "thing".
We gave up our 3rd and 4th scoring option for OG and then paying him an absolute fortune. he also showed that he has the bag to be a good 3rd option on a contender.

So why not trade for a better fit (means better defender and/or shooter) and keep draft picks if we don't use Bridges as a top 3 option?
For 1-2 picks you could have gotten Caruso for example. Or go after Wiggins, Jerami Grant, DeAndre Hunter etc and keep the assets for another depth-move. just don't get it.

The Mikal trade was to complete the Villanova connection. They overpaid bc they had to bc obviously the Nets aren’t going to do business with the Knicks unless they really got an amazing deal. Even if the Knicks had waited till the season to make the trade the Nets likely would’ve gotten similar assets from other teams that aren’t crosstown rivals.

[3toheadmelo]

here is what I don't get about the Bridges "thing".
We gave up our 3rd and 4th scoring option for OG and then paying him an absolute fortune. he also showed that he has the bag to be a good 3rd option on a contender.

So why not trade for a better fit (means better defender and/or shooter) and keep draft picks if we don't use Bridges as a top 3 option?
For 1-2 picks you could have gotten Caruso for example. Or go after Wiggins, Jerami Grant, DeAndre Hunter etc and keep the assets for another depth-move. just don't get it.

The Mikal trade was to complete the Villanova connection. They overpaid bc they had to bc obviously the Nets aren’t going to do business with the Knicks unless they really got an amazing deal. Even if the Knicks had waited till the season to make the trade the Nets likely would’ve gotten similar assets from other teams that aren’t crosstown rivals.

The villanova connection is one of the dumbest reasons to overpay for a role player. Sorry. Should've let some other team do it.

[NoStatsGuy]

I haven’t had time to watch the game. Box score looks decent, but we’re missing the 40 starter quality minutes Achiuwa and Robinson should give us. Then you add Hart to the bench rotation. Compare that to the 9 points the bench combined for. Sure, it is partly on the coach, but our bench doesn’t provide (m)any options.

So in sum, a bench and the two centers coming back will help and possibly fix all the problems that remain. I’d appreciate it if we didn’t go back to panic mode and polemics here.

I get it, but we can’t be playing these doods 40 minutes a night until they come back. It’s not sustainable and at some point, will cause injury to the starting lineup. We have 3rd stringers for a reason

yup im not usually on the thibs hatetrain. but playing guys 40+ minutes in november is not acceptable, give HUK a shot, give kolek a shot, right now! Deuce can easily play with kolek at the 2 and be in scoring mode, probably fits deuce even better. whats the worst that can happen? OG will be out with a harmstring in a couple weeks, if thibs keeps this up.

and the most alarming part is, that mikal just looks lost out there on offense in some games. he needs to be our clear 3rd option and we gotta find a way to make that happen. he looks like a borderline rotationt player out there, when he should be a very solid starter on a contender.

[3toheadmelo]

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[whocares1]

here is what I don't get about the Bridges "thing".
We gave up our 3rd and 4th scoring option for OG and then paying him an absolute fortune. he also showed that he has the bag to be a good 3rd option on a contender.

So why not trade for a better fit (means better defender and/or shooter) and keep draft picks if we don't use Bridges as a top 3 option?
For 1-2 picks you could have gotten Caruso for example. Or go after Wiggins, Jerami Grant, DeAndre Hunter etc and keep the assets for another depth-move. just don't get it.

The Mikal trade was to complete the Villanova connection. They overpaid bc they had to bc obviously the Nets aren’t going to do business with the Knicks unless they really got an amazing deal. Even if the Knicks had waited till the season to make the trade the Nets likely would’ve gotten similar assets from other teams that aren’t crosstown rivals.

The villanova connection is one of the dumbest reasons to overpay for a role player. Sorry. Should've let some other team do it.

Mikal was a highly coveted elite 3 and D wing that many just thought was playing in a role he shouldn’t be in with the Nets. It wasn’t just the Villanova connection, he’s legitimately supposed to be a great player. All these trades were meant to maximize Jalen Brunson. It just hasn’t worked out so far.

[3toheadmelo]

The Mikal trade was to complete the Villanova connection. They overpaid bc they had to bc obviously the Nets aren’t going to do business with the Knicks unless they really got an amazing deal. Even if the Knicks had waited till the season to make the trade the Nets likely would’ve gotten similar assets from other teams that aren’t crosstown rivals.

The villanova connection is one of the dumbest reasons to overpay for a role player. Sorry. Should've let some other team do it.

Mikal was a highly coveted elite 3 and D wing that many just thought was playing in a role he shouldn’t be in with the Nets. It wasn’t just the Villanova connection, he’s legitimately supposed to be a great player. All these trades were meant to maximize Jalen Brunson. It just hasn’t worked out so far.

That's already been debunked because they reduced his role last season and he still wasn't playing any defense. I told yall that so many times. This is who Mikal has been for a while. Completely overrated player.

[thebuzzardman]

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You pissed off Brunson's sister, eh?

[thebuzzardman]

Bridges sucks. What a waste of assets.

[NiceLikeChrist]

It’s probably easier to get accepted by the mafia than it is for a non starter to get playing time under Thibs.
Yes or No?

Thibs only plays you consistently if he trusts you ON DEFENSE. You can shoot 45% and pass like Magic Johnson but if your name is not Brunson/Towns you need to be able to defend. While I don’t agree with Thibs and don’t think he’s a great coach this is who he’s been and the FO continues to give him players that don’t fit this mindset.

the so called players he trusts on defense don't seem to be defending very well so it may be time for him to think of something else

[thebuzzardman]

poor coaching and poor execution from our players

no adjustments and a lot of rigid plays... its getting worrisome

I should have taken the bet with you