2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[al bondiga]

herro Is the only Consistent scorer we have... Maybe he is taking better shots, maybe He struggles with traps, Maybe he's making better decisions, Maybe his 3 pointer efficiency Goes down maybe he's making better decision as get older even though he is young, Maybe, maybe, maybe...

He is the only one we have... bam, JB And Terry have taken a backseat When it comes to scoring

Let's shut up and keep hero happy, so he is healthy And we gain some momentum... Shall we??

Maybe his girlfriend is...

[twix2500]

herro Is the only Consistent scorer we have... Maybe he is taking better shots, maybe He struggles with traps, Maybe he's making better decisions, Maybe his 3 pointer efficiency Goes down maybe he's making better decision as get older even though he is young, Maybe, maybe, maybe...

He is the only one we have... bam, JB And Terry have taken a backseat When it comes to scoring

Let's shut up and keep hero happy, so he is healthy And we gain some momentum... Shall we??

Maybe his girlfriend is...

It’s not maybe. He is taking better shots because of how the Heat are using him. Don’t get carried away. We are talking about efficiency. Not a player who putting up 30, 40 and 50 pt games beating double teams and traps etc. He is playing good in the role he is being used which is a lesser role than in the past

[wadenation305]

He's improved his shot profile, he's dropped his 2pa per36 to his rookie season numbers but has increased his 3pta over 2.5 per36, so that should improve his efficiency a good amount so if he keeps up this shot profile he should shoot at his best efficiency and scoring amount of his career even if he comes down closer to his career shooting numbers for most of the regular season. It'll be interesting to see how he does through the season.

Currently Herro ranks in the NBA...
5th for 3s made a game at 4.
21st in ppg.
30th in TS% (10 of those in front of him are centers).

Most of the top scoring is the same players although Norman Powell is currently 13th in ppg with a .683 TS% with 11 games played.

Also, league 3pt%, TS% and ORTG early in this season are down overall in the league from last year...
3pt% .366 -> .355
TS% .580 -> .573
ORTG 115.3 -> 113.1

So basically (At the moment) Herro is playing like a top 20 player in this league?

No, do you consider Norman Powell a top 10 player with him being 13th in the league in scoring with a TS% of .683?

Right now, Cam Thomas and DeRozan are both averaging over 24 ppg and my thoughts on them haven't changed on them, it's early in the season.

If you think this is the case for Herro, then you also need to think Bam isn't anywhere near a top 10 center, not that he's just having a tough time at the start of the season.

Got it. I saw the rankings (5th in 3 pts, 21 in PPG, and 20th in TS (omitting the centers) on the stats and figured it was his current ranking based on production.

As for Bam, I love him but so far this season he has been ass water except for one game, and his current rank amongst centers (27th) reflects it. He can snap out of it, but I don't think his snapping out of it will be what everyone else wants. His snapping out of it will be getting back to being the defensive stalwart he is. I don't think he will start hitting crazy shots anytime soon.

[VaDe255]

herro Is the only Consistent scorer we have... Maybe he is taking better shots, maybe He struggles with traps, Maybe he's making better decisions, Maybe his 3 pointer efficiency Goes down maybe he's making better decision as get older even though he is young, Maybe, maybe, maybe...

He is the only one we have... bam, JB And Terry have taken a backseat When it comes to scoring

Let's shut up and keep hero happy, so he is healthy And we gain some momentum... Shall we??

Maybe his girlfriend is...

It’s not maybe. He is taking better shots because of how the Heat are using him. Don’t get carried away. We are talking about efficiency. Not a player who putting up 30, 40 and 50 pt games beating double teams and traps etc. He is playing good in the role he is being used which is a lesser role than in the past

How is his role "lesser" than before?
The usage is the same at 27.1% (last year 27.8%), his unassisted 3p shots are up, his unassisted 2p shots are up. His number of drives is up and the number of his assists is up.

His number of touches is 63.6 (Terry 66.7, Butler 55, SGA at 66.5, Morant is at 65.5, DMitchell 56.3), last year it was 65.1.

It's the same role as last year (pretty much has the ball the same amount as the average lead guard in this league, this isn't off ball at all), he's just better. His usage/touches just going to go up with Butler out.

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[DayofMourning]

Burks could take Richs mins I think.

[VaDe255]

I prefer Pelle, he has more upside, JRich is unplayable

[DayofMourning]

I prefer Pelle, he has more upside, JRich is unplayable

Larsson def came ready to play. Mature game.

[AirP.]

I prefer Pelle, he has more upside, JRich is unplayable

JRich had options in FA (last summer) and took the minimum to come to Miami after talking to Spoelstra about being told what his role would be. If Spoelstra were to just go with whoever is best right now you may not be able to get FA to take less to come to Miami in the future, why go to Miami if you may end up not playing (because of an injury) and with that, losing potential future money? It's a tough situation and I'm sure Spoelstra will go with the best player (whoever that is at some specific date) after giving Richardson a chance to get back in shape and having a chance to keep his role he was signed for.

[twix2500]

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herro Is the only Consistent scorer we have... Maybe he is taking better shots, maybe He struggles with traps, Maybe he's making better decisions, Maybe his 3 pointer efficiency Goes down maybe he's making better decision as get older even though he is young, Maybe, maybe, maybe...

He is the only one we have... bam, JB And Terry have taken a backseat When it comes to scoring

Let's shut up and keep hero happy, so he is healthy And we gain some momentum... Shall we??

Maybe his girlfriend is...

It’s not maybe. He is taking better shots because of how the Heat are using him. Don’t get carried away. We are talking about efficiency. Not a player who putting up 30, 40 and 50 pt games beating double teams and traps etc. He is playing good in the role he is being used which is a lesser role than in the past

How is his role "lesser" than before?
The usage is the same at 27.1% (last year 27.8%), his unassisted 3p shots are up, his unassisted 2p shots are up. His number of drives is up and the number of his assists is up.

His number of touches is 63.6 (Terry 66.7, Butler 55, SGA at 66.5, Morant is at 65.5, DMitchell 56.3), last year it was 65.1.

It's the same role as last year (pretty much has the ball the same amount as the average lead guard in this league, this isn't off ball at all), he's just better. His usage/touches just going to go up with Butler out.

Yes his role is smaller. He is being less used as a point guard. He is being more used like Duncan. They have given him a lesser role, more focused. His spot up shooting and scoring off of spots has increased, his scoring off 0 dribbles has increased and his scoring off dribbles has decreased. Before the all-star break last year Spo was using with a bigger role as a with point guard responsibilities. At the around the all-star break Spo lessen his role and told him that they will be using him like Duncan. He has admitted that it bothered him and now has accepted that role.

It doesnt mean he gets less touches, but he has less responsibilities.

[Daffy]

I prefer Pelle, he has more upside, JRich is unplayable

JRich had options in FA (last summer) and took the minimum to come to Miami after talking to Spoelstra about being told what his role would be. If Spoelstra were to just go with whoever is best right now you may not be able to get FA to take less to come to Miami in the future, why go to Miami if you may end up not playing (because of an injury) and with that, losing potential future money? It's a tough situation and I'm sure Spoelstra will go with the best player (whoever that is at some specific date) after giving Richardson a chance to get back in shape and having a chance to keep his role he was signed for.

I might sound crazy and reaching here but I always felt like we signed back JRich with the intentions of him being the starting defensive 2 guard next to Dame. It just made too much sense at the time.

[Flash4thewin]

The important thing is Herro is playing better unlike basically most of the team. Is this sustainable, who knows. It does make him more attractive as a tradable player.

[VaDe255]

Spoiler:

It’s not maybe. He is taking better shots because of how the Heat are using him. Don’t get carried away. We are talking about efficiency. Not a player who putting up 30, 40 and 50 pt games beating double teams and traps etc. He is playing good in the role he is being used which is a lesser role than in the past

How is his role "lesser" than before?
The usage is the same at 27.1% (last year 27.8%), his unassisted 3p shots are up, his unassisted 2p shots are up. His number of drives is up and the number of his assists is up.

His number of touches is 63.6 (Terry 66.7, Butler 55, SGA at 66.5, Morant is at 65.5, DMitchell 56.3), last year it was 65.1.

It's the same role as last year (pretty much has the ball the same amount as the average lead guard in this league, this isn't off ball at all), he's just better. His usage/touches just going to go up with Butler out.

Yes his role is smaller. He is being less used as a point guard. He is being more used like Duncan. They have given him a lesser role, more focused. His spot up shooting and scoring off of spots has increased, his scoring off 0 dribbles has increased and his scoring off dribbles has decreased. Before the all-star break last year Spo was using with a bigger role as a with point guard responsibilities. At the around the all-star break Spo lessen his role and told him that they will be using him like Duncan. He has admitted that it bothered him and now has accepted that role.

It doesnt mean he gets less touches, but he has less responsibilities.

That might have been said, but the stats do not support it.
If you play off-ball like Duncan/K.Thompson you have 70%+ assisted 2p FGs and 90%+ assisted 3p FGs. Tyler is 35% assisted on 2p FGs and 78% assisted on 3p FGs, this isn't off ball. He just creates most of his 2p FGs on his own.

I'd like to see a good defensive ball handler next to Tyler, so he can really play off ball more. I think his movement and activity off ball has increased, but the overall role looks the same as last year looking at the metrics.

[AirP.]

I prefer Pelle, he has more upside, JRich is unplayable

JRich had options in FA (last summer) and took the minimum to come to Miami after talking to Spoelstra about being told what his role would be. If Spoelstra were to just go with whoever is best right now you may not be able to get FA to take less to come to Miami in the future, why go to Miami if you may end up not playing (because of an injury) and with that, losing potential future money? It's a tough situation and I'm sure Spoelstra will go with the best player (whoever that is at some specific date) after giving Richardson a chance to get back in shape and having a chance to keep his role he was signed for.

I might sound crazy and reaching here but I always felt like we signed back JRich with the intentions of him being the starting defensive 2 guard next to Dame. It just made too much sense at the time.

Maybe, there wasn't all that much out there for that price range and it's quite possible he gave up "some" money to come back to Miami. Let him have some time to get back to where he was and if it doesn't happen you have to move on.

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[ZoStrong]

I prefer Pelle, he has more upside, JRich is unplayable

JRich had options in FA (last summer) and took the minimum to come to Miami after talking to Spoelstra about being told what his role would be. If Spoelstra were to just go with whoever is best right now you may not be able to get FA to take less to come to Miami in the future, why go to Miami if you may end up not playing (because of an injury) and with that, losing potential future money? It's a tough situation and I'm sure Spoelstra will go with the best player (whoever that is at some specific date) after giving Richardson a chance to get back in shape and having a chance to keep his role he was signed for.

Delon Wright came here despite several other suitors because of a verbal promised role too. He wasn't happy w how he was used so he left. The player has to perform as expected too, u know? That's the life of role players. That's not gonna deter other players from coming here. Those verbal promises happen all the time, and the promise comes w the expected performance from the player.

[AirP.]

I prefer Pelle, he has more upside, JRich is unplayable

JRich had options in FA (last summer) and took the minimum to come to Miami after talking to Spoelstra about being told what his role would be. If Spoelstra were to just go with whoever is best right now you may not be able to get FA to take less to come to Miami in the future, why go to Miami if you may end up not playing (because of an injury) and with that, losing potential future money? It's a tough situation and I'm sure Spoelstra will go with the best player (whoever that is at some specific date) after giving Richardson a chance to get back in shape and having a chance to keep his role he was signed for.

Delon Wright came here despite several other suitors because of a verbal promised role too. He wasn't happy w how he was used so he left. The player has to perform as expected too, u know? That's the life of role players. That's not gonna deter other players from coming here. Those verbal promises happen all the time, and the promise comes w the expected performance from the player.

Yes, he left this summer, if you remember last year, Richardson got hurt about 5 days before Miami signed Wright/Wright decided to go to Miami, there was an opening for defensive guard for a team he might be able to showcase his abilities in the playoffs, this year with Richardson back there probably wasn't a spot for him. Delon's situation was different than Richardson's. I'm not so sure Riley and Spoelstra called up Wright and said there was a role past the current year for him, they quite possibly did for Richardson.

You have to be loyal to the players to a point if you want them to be loyal to you. I think they're giving Richardson an opportunity to get back to where he was which was good enough for them to want him to fill a role for them.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I prefer Pelle, he has more upside, JRich is unplayable

JRich had options in FA (last summer) and took the minimum to come to Miami after talking to Spoelstra about being told what his role would be. If Spoelstra were to just go with whoever is best right now you may not be able to get FA to take less to come to Miami in the future, why go to Miami if you may end up not playing (because of an injury) and with that, losing potential future money? It's a tough situation and I'm sure Spoelstra will go with the best player (whoever that is at some specific date) after giving Richardson a chance to get back in shape and having a chance to keep his role he was signed for.

way too early in the season

he could have a better role in the late season and playoff series and come out smiling

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Tinkered shot diet has completely changed his efficiency, hopefully he keeps it up

[al bondiga]

Stop analyzing hero please... It's close to being useless and most importantly, Almost all NBA guys are very fragile in the Mind...We don't wanna lose Herro

He is the only scorer we have... the only one earning his salary and entertaining us