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Post#1541 » by DingleJerry » Fri Nov 15, 2024 5:30 pm

slos wrote:Giannis at C is most likely coming next season when Brook will be 37 and no longer paid 20ish money. Actually that’s a reason I’m not a huge fan of trading Lopez. I would love to bring him back with a 2/20 as a backup C for Giannis.

If Bobby extends at 10ish money I’m fine not trading him too. The problem with him is that I’m not as confident that some other team (or even worse Milwaukee) won’t overpay him. If his market is at 20ish money, get whatever you can until the deadline.


Yup, I'm all for a backup in the 8-12 mil range as a bruiser big man to take some of the load and for certain matchups. The 25-30 mil contract should be to someone better and with more athleticism at whatever position that is. And yea I guess I'm just not sure where this extra wear and tear is gonna come from in today's nba. He's maxing his wear and tear as it is due to the driving and slamming his body every where. Nobody posts up anymore where that will increase beating him up on D, there's barely any banging on rebounding anymore. The only physicality comes in the stuff Giannis already does.

But, I'd add that since Giannis isn't exactly the most fundamental on rebounding that whoever the 4 is should be a guy willing to rebound and get in front of his guy. I'd grant Collins doesn't seem the most ideal for that. And by no means am I saying I'm a huge collins guy, just that he's someone likely to being shopped and I'd take him over for sure 1 of our guys, and possibly both.
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Post#1542 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Nov 15, 2024 5:37 pm

A straight swap of Bobby for Larry Nance Jr. is the least sexy but easiest way to improve versatility and address the frontcourt defense issue. Dude just knows his role and might be the best underrated 3&D hustle big on the market.

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Post#1543 » by crkone » Fri Nov 15, 2024 5:53 pm

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Post#1544 » by emunney » Fri Nov 15, 2024 6:13 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Give me something like Dame and our 2031 1st for DeAaron Fox and Keon Ellis over any of these crap trades for salary filler and prospects/picks. If you truly wanna extend the window before Giannis exits his physical prime, it has to be for a younger guy who's actually already good.


The other vague hope (which is probably more closely related to magical thinking) is where you gather up like 4 of your breakout candidates and you get immediate hits. Like oh, we swung this insanely complicated Horst-special where we're getting young underutilized vets from 3 different teams like some sort of Derrick White deal in triplicate.
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Post#1545 » by emunney » Fri Nov 15, 2024 6:15 pm

Fotis St wrote:Lets not forget that Horst could have traded his AJ Johnson pick for 5 seconds from the Knicks.


I never knew that, but also:

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Post#1546 » by WallyMeanwell » Fri Nov 15, 2024 6:42 pm

Dame

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Austin Reaves
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First (no protection)- 2026
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Post#1547 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Nov 15, 2024 7:05 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:

Understanding the maturing he done (FIBA Schroder's been fun) since then one would be remised if they didn't mention your usual focus on "playoff performers" and what an absolute and complete dud he's been there throughout his career, namely playing off of LeBron James recently.


Schroder has had a playoff series where he scored 25 ppg while shooting 43% from 3. He's capable when surrounded by the right talent, and he'd be a 4th or 5th option here.


My guy, without Dame, and Khris incapable of being consistently healthy, you're literally asking him to be the 2nd or 3rd option here.


Are you including the other players acquired in the Dame trade? You know Schroder would be the 3rd best player in the deal, right?

Also, Middleton's availability in November is much different than his availability come playoff time.
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Post#1548 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Nov 15, 2024 7:20 pm

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ShootingtheJ wrote:
Schroder has had a playoff series where he scored 25 ppg while shooting 43% from 3. He's capable when surrounded by the right talent, and he'd be a 4th or 5th option here.


My guy, without Dame, and Khris incapable of being consistently healthy, you're literally asking him to be the 2nd or 3rd option here.


Are you including the other players acquired in the Dame trade? You know Schroder would be the 3rd best player in the deal, right?


What theoretical trade are we talking about? The one where we pin all our hopes on Tari Eason turning into Paul George? I like both him and Cam Johnson a lot, but those dudes are 100% supplemental offensive players. You're quite clearly just replacing Dame with Schroder as the only other shot-creator/play-maker outside of Giannis and the 30-50 games that Khris inevitably suits up for. Pretty sure the offense would be an abject disaster.
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Post#1549 » by machu46 » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:03 pm

WallyMeanwell wrote:Dame

for

Deangelo Russell
Austin Reaves
Hachimura
First (no protection)- 2026


trwi7 wrote:**** me deep, Giannis. ****. Me. Deep.
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Post#1550 » by randy84 » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:22 pm

I know this is a trade thread and I don't want to derail it, but to blame Dame for all the problems is ridiculous. A deeper dive shows the roster and/or coaching are simply bad.
Beasley last year had an Ortg: 118.3 and Drtg: 112.6. Bucks traded that in for GTJ with an Ortg: 112.1 and Drtg: 121.0. So they got considerably worse at the SG spot.
Last year Brook Lopez had an Ortg: 117.1 and Drtg: 111.9. This year Ortg: 110.7 and 113.0.
Even as bad as Jae Crowder was last year his numbers are still better than Taurean Prince.
So is it really Dame or is it the coaching and new roster this year?
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Post#1551 » by Chessboxer » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:45 pm

Giannis improvement in his midrange shooting this year is nothing short of extraordinary. I was looking it up and he is shooting 48% from midrange this year. For context, that's better than the other leading scorers in the league like AD/Luka/Tatum etc. None of those guys actually are even close to him, it's actually by a lot. The others in the low 30's, percentage wise.

It's early in the season, given his work ethic and the early improvement I saw in the Olympics I don't think it's just a hot streak. Let's hope this continues.
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Post#1552 » by -Jragon- » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:46 pm

emunney wrote:
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-Jragon- wrote:Dame has top 15 of all time trajectory with 1 ring and a couple more AS games...


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Yeah that was too far. If you think about top 5 all time and start to realize how many guys are in *that* conversation...



I probably should have looked this up 1st... Dame only has 7 All NBA and the 13-15 type guys like West, Julius, Oscar have 11 or 12... Steph has only 6, but he has those 3 rings.

Try something though, if you limit it to PGs then you just have Oscar, Steph, Magic in the top 20, right? Now you're looking at Isaiah who has only 5 All NBA but 2 rings, Iverson who also has 7 All NBA but 1 ring, and Chris Paul 10 All NBA no rings. Win a ring with Giannis and he's right in that conversation of top 5 PG of all time. Yall want to trade him for a draft pick plus scrubs that will never sniff a top 1000 ever list.
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Post#1553 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:49 pm

emunney wrote:
Fotis St wrote:Lets not forget that Horst could have traded his AJ Johnson pick for 5 seconds from the Knicks.


I never knew that, but also:

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Post#1554 » by raferfenix » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:49 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:A straight swap of Bobby for Larry Nance Jr. is the least sexy but easiest way to improve versatility and address the frontcourt defense issue. Dude just knows his role and might be the best underrated 3&D hustle big on the market.


Nance has played so well for them that I'm not sure we could get him for Bobby.

Is the idea that it'd be a multi-team trade and we send the Hawks something of the value of a first?

Alternatively if Atlanta hits a point where Onyeka Okongwu could be the odd man out maybe we make an aggressive move there
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Post#1555 » by -Jragon- » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:52 pm

Hint 1... if you have "and a 1st" coming back in Dame trades... you are wrong. That 1st won't help our Giannis window.

2. If Dame is in the trade you're most likely also wrong, but keep them coming - who knows.
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Post#1556 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:55 pm

raferfenix wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:A straight swap of Bobby for Larry Nance Jr. is the least sexy but easiest way to improve versatility and address the frontcourt defense issue. Dude just knows his role and might be the best underrated 3&D hustle big on the market.


Nance has played so well for them that I'm not sure we could get him for Bobby.

Is the idea that it'd be a multi-team trade and we send the Hawks something of the value of a first?

Alternatively if Atlanta hits a point where Onyeka Okongwu could be the odd man out maybe we make an aggressive move there


Nance turns 32 in a couple months and is playing just 16-minutes a night. I think you're over-valuing him quite a bit here.
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Post#1557 » by raferfenix » Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:06 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Nance turns 32 in a couple months and is playing just 16-minutes a night. I think you're over-valuing him quite a bit here.


They wouldn't want Bobby though, right?
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Post#1558 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:13 pm

raferfenix wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Nance turns 32 in a couple months and is playing just 16-minutes a night. I think you're over-valuing him quite a bit here.


They wouldn't want Bobby though, right?


I think they'd take any asset they think they could flip for some 2nd's for an expiring Nance. Sure, get a 3rd team involved like the Lakers where they send Gabe Vincent and some additional 2nd's or something to Atlanta.
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Post#1559 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:24 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
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My guy, without Dame, and Khris incapable of being consistently healthy, you're literally asking him to be the 2nd or 3rd option here.


Are you including the other players acquired in the Dame trade? You know Schroder would be the 3rd best player in the deal, right?


What theoretical trade are we talking about? The one where we pin all our hopes on Tari Eason turning into Paul George? I like both him and Cam Johnson a lot, but those dudes are 100% supplemental offensive players. You're quite clearly just replacing Dame with Schroder as the only other shot-creator/play-maker outside of Giannis and the 30-50 games that Khris inevitably suits up for. Pretty sure the offense would be an abject disaster.


Abject disaster? Come back to Earth. Our offense wasn't a disaster with Jrue and Grayson. We won a Ship with Jrue and PJ as the starting back court. Giannis has gotten his teammates great shots in every playoff series he played in. Imagine Giannis, instead of passing to slow release 6'4" dudes, if he instead was passing to career 6'8" 43% playoff 3 point shooter Cam Johnson.
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Post#1560 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:52 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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Are you including the other players acquired in the Dame trade? You know Schroder would be the 3rd best player in the deal, right?


What theoretical trade are we talking about? The one where we pin all our hopes on Tari Eason turning into Paul George? I like both him and Cam Johnson a lot, but those dudes are 100% supplemental offensive players. You're quite clearly just replacing Dame with Schroder as the only other shot-creator/play-maker outside of Giannis and the 30-50 games that Khris inevitably suits up for. Pretty sure the offense would be an abject disaster.


Abject disaster? Come back to Earth. Our offense wasn't a disaster with Jrue and Grayson. We won a Ship with Jrue and PJ as the starting back court. Giannis has gotten his teammates great shots in every playoff series he played in. Imagine Giannis, instead of passing to slow release 6'4" dudes, if he instead was passing to career 6'8" 43% playoff 3 point shooter Cam Johnson.


The postseason offense absolutely was a disaster with that backcourt for the majority of the last two Bud years lol. The regular season offense was able to outperform their talent level in those years because Bud was a scheme wizard, and Khris was a consistently reliable 20/6/5 sidekick giving you 60-70 games.

Those things are long gone, so I'm not really convinced that you're understanding how steep a drop off it is exchanging Dame for Schroder and a couple catch and shoot guys who can't create for themselves (99% of Eason's and 97% of Cam's career 3PT makes are assisted). And then you're going from Bud to Doc drawing up plays and scheming the offense? Woof....

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