Game Thread: NY Knicks vs. DC Sleeve of Wizard Mon, Nov 18 7:30 PM @MSG

[HEZI]

Is Philly this terrible? They are about to be 2-11 that’s crazy I didn’t expect them to be this bad

Embiid seems to be IS cooked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fixed!

PG might be too

[jvsimonetti0514]

Tough to be a guard that can’t really pull up off the dribble like Kolek.

[aggo]

Kolek might be the Kevin Knox of summer league

[Knick4Real]

Embiid seems to be IS cooked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fixed!

PG might be IS too

Fixed again!

[knicksNOTslick]

Is Philly this terrible? They are about to be 2-11 that’s crazy I didn’t expect them to be this bad

I don't think their Big 3 has played a minute together yet. Will they?

It's the new load management. Miss the playoffs entirely. Get extended rest.

[HEZI]

Fixed!

PG might be IS too

Fixed again!

[kNicksGmen]

Teams are doubling him the minute he tries to break the perimeter. That's going to affect his shooting some. He's not getting wide open looks all night from three either. The pressure is on him every night. Teams are forcing the ball out of his hands more often than not. The opposition game plan is to force everyone else to beat them. That's what I see with my eyes wide open.

Everyone else is acting like he's falling off a cliff getting the same looks he got the last two years . That's simply not the case. He's the engine that drives the offense. Having much taller players guard him between the double teams is also the plan. At the same time he has to orchestrate an entire new style of play and an entirely new lineup while dealing with more defensive attention. His numbers dipped a little bit. 38% vs 35% from three isn't some major issue in a 13 game sample size.

Stats aren't everything. Especially when people ignore context. Which is my point. He's not a problem but, read the game threads. People are talking like he's a problem without mentioning any of the above. This is an entirely different situation than the one he thrived in the last two seasons. He has always figured it out and I'm sure he will this time as well.

The main problem this team has had is fourth quarter collapses. No bench to speak of either with Thibs 6.5 man rotations. It cost us at least two games. We look gassed in the fourth quarter in our losses. When we get Deuce/Precious back I expect to see better execution to finish games.

There's levels to this stuff fam. I am sure we will get much better as the season goes on as a team and, him individually. Nothing to see here. We just need to be patient.

i'm not seeing the doubles you're seeing. teams are shading towards him sure and using big/strong wings - but again he is very often getting in the paint, stopping and pivoting like he did so often last year - but this year he is just passing out (often times a grenade to hart - who fortunately has been pretty good at making them) rather than doing up and unders, turn arounds, or just making floaters etc. also his 3 ball has been off.

he's getting doubled occasionally sure but no more than he was last year post Randle/OG injuries - in which he was lighting it up and unstoppable. some of it just comes down to makes/misses but the eye test to me he doesn't look right - i'm hoping he can figure it out and get back to the level he was at last year. i also wonder why he isn't able to do a better job feeding Kat in the PnP. Kat's numbers are amazing considering he's not really getting any easy looks.

If you're not seeing the doubles... maybe you should be the one to "open your eyes friend". He's being swarmed in the paint. The Nets were running full court presses against him last night as well. There's definitely an attempt to force the ball out of his hands more or make his looks in the paint more difficult. He's also playing on an ankle he rolled over a couple games ago as well. That pivot stop on the dime has not been there like it was.

He's obviously struggling a little with EVERYTHING I mentioned that people gloss over as if it isn't happening. It's been 13 games with a new offense and a new lineup. There's nothing to see here. It will come together and these takes will all be forgotten but, I might have to take a page out of melos book and keep some receipts!!

It's called patience. He's that good. We shouldn't be harping on it like some here are. I'll step back and let the nonsense continue though because, it's just silly to criticize every little thing with the changes the team has made. Especially 13 games in.

Like I said he's held to a higher standard now fair or not. "Harping" on it is to be expected there are no receipts to keep.
Tonight he looked great albeit against a bad wizards defense. My only criticism of him tonight (and a trend all season) is he's missing Kat too often for the trailing 3 and on pick n pops. Still I think tonight was his best all around game. The offense as a whole was flowing great even though against a very bad defense. Brunson could have had 10 assists in the 1st half.

[Guano]

Some terrible posters had the audacity to say the 6ers big3 was better than our big3

[DaGawd]

philly is cooked

[Guano]

philly is cooked

Imagine if we just gave that contract to pg13. I'd be reading up on hockey rules or trying to learn soccer chants.

[Jalen Bluntson]

i'm not seeing the doubles you're seeing. teams are shading towards him sure and using big/strong wings - but again he is very often getting in the paint, stopping and pivoting like he did so often last year - but this year he is just passing out (often times a grenade to hart - who fortunately has been pretty good at making them) rather than doing up and unders, turn arounds, or just making floaters etc. also his 3 ball has been off.

he's getting doubled occasionally sure but no more than he was last year post Randle/OG injuries - in which he was lighting it up and unstoppable. some of it just comes down to makes/misses but the eye test to me he doesn't look right - i'm hoping he can figure it out and get back to the level he was at last year. i also wonder why he isn't able to do a better job feeding Kat in the PnP. Kat's numbers are amazing considering he's not really getting any easy looks.

If you're not seeing the doubles... maybe you should be the one to "open your eyes friend". He's being swarmed in the paint. The Nets were running full court presses against him last night as well. There's definitely an attempt to force the ball out of his hands more or make his looks in the paint more difficult. He's also playing on an ankle he rolled over a couple games ago as well. That pivot stop on the dime has not been there like it was.

He's obviously struggling a little with EVERYTHING I mentioned that people gloss over as if it isn't happening. It's been 13 games with a new offense and a new lineup. There's nothing to see here. It will come together and these takes will all be forgotten but, I might have to take a page out of melos book and keep some receipts!!

It's called patience. He's that good. We shouldn't be harping on it like some here are. I'll step back and let the nonsense continue though because, it's just silly to criticize every little thing with the changes the team has made. Especially 13 games in.

Like I said he's held to a higher standard now fair or not. "Harping" on it is to be expected there are no receipts to keep.
Tonight he looked great albeit against a bad wizards defense. My only criticism of him tonight (and a trend all season) is he's missing Kat too often for the trailing 3 and on pick n pops. Still I think tonight was his best all around game. The offense as a whole was flowing great even though against a very bad defense. Brunson could have had 10 assists in the 1st half.

You apparently haven't had your eyes open reading the board. People have been saying the dumbest shyt about Jalen and the team from game one. It's not about you bro. You are just dog piling on the rabbit.

He's the best PG we have had in decades and has not been a problem on any level. The chatter about him being in a funk or not looking good until tonight is hogwash. Period. I'm done discussing it. He has been adjusting to a completely new team and style of play. Nothing more. Nothing less. This was not gonna be a well oiled machine out of the gate. We have been dealing with injuries to the bench as well. That's all there is to say.

[RHODEY]

We need to take out the Suns ....Durant will be out.

[HarthorneWingo]

Did they call a time out because of a bruised ego on OG? He looked pissed he let that ball get away from him for an open 3 ball.

No, OG called the TO

Isn't that what I just said?

No. You said “they” called the timeout. I corrected by stating that OG called the timeout. See the difference?

[Jalen Bluntson]

Kolek might be the Kevin Knox of summer league

Kolek is the Kevin Knox of Alonzo Triers?

[stuporman]

No, OG called the TO

Isn't that what I just said?

No. You said “they” called the timeout. I corrected by stating that OG called the timeout. See the difference?

It doesn't matter who actually mouths the words or does the hand signal for time out to the refs...it's the team that gets awarded it, hence 'they' called it in OG's behalf, desire or insistence.

Of course, you also don't know OG's preferred pronouns...they might prefer they/them, so there's that, too.

You didn't actually correct anything, you saw a distinction that didn't really make a difference.

[kNicksGmen]

If you're not seeing the doubles... maybe you should be the one to "open your eyes friend". He's being swarmed in the paint. The Nets were running full court presses against him last night as well. There's definitely an attempt to force the ball out of his hands more or make his looks in the paint more difficult. He's also playing on an ankle he rolled over a couple games ago as well. That pivot stop on the dime has not been there like it was.

He's obviously struggling a little with EVERYTHING I mentioned that people gloss over as if it isn't happening. It's been 13 games with a new offense and a new lineup. There's nothing to see here. It will come together and these takes will all be forgotten but, I might have to take a page out of melos book and keep some receipts!!

It's called patience. He's that good. We shouldn't be harping on it like some here are. I'll step back and let the nonsense continue though because, it's just silly to criticize every little thing with the changes the team has made. Especially 13 games in.

Like I said he's held to a higher standard now fair or not. "Harping" on it is to be expected there are no receipts to keep.
Tonight he looked great albeit against a bad wizards defense. My only criticism of him tonight (and a trend all season) is he's missing Kat too often for the trailing 3 and on pick n pops. Still I think tonight was his best all around game. The offense as a whole was flowing great even though against a very bad defense. Brunson could have had 10 assists in the 1st half.

You apparently haven't had your eyes open reading the board. People have been saying the dumbest shyt about Jalen and the team from game one. It's not about you bro. You are just dog piling on the rabbit.

He's the best PG we have had in decades and has not been a problem on any level. The chatter about him being in a funk or not looking good until tonight is hogwash. Period. I'm done discussing it. He has been adjusting to a completely new team and style of play. Nothing more. Nothing less. This was not gonna be a well oiled machine out of the gate. We have been dealing with injuries to the bench as well. That's all there is to say.

I don't read every single comment obviously but my opinion is "the chatter of him being in a funk or not looking good" was justified. I get there are reasons for it as far as adjusting to a new team or coming off injuries etc etc - but he was not playing up to the expected standard period. Last game wasn't his 1st good game obviously - he had a few other solid games but as a whole he wasn't performing up to expectations. that doesn't mean he wasn't going to "get right" sooner rather than later, which we can all hope is the case going forward.

anyways go knicks - players are not above criticism. fans have every right to be critical.