Scoot Henderson

azcatz11 · Post #1641 » by **azcatz11** » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:35 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I will circle back to one of the main issues I had him since the very beginning. He was oversold as an athlete; through 73 career games he has 15 dunks. 36 yr old Russell Westbrook has 40 dunks over his last 78 games.

People scoffed at you if you compared him to Dennis Smith Jr.

Meanwhile the real elite athlete in the draft class Amen Thompson has 100 dunks through 73 games played.

He’s going to be out of the league by the time he’s 25

ItsDanger · Post #1642 » by **ItsDanger** » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:57 pm

Should have went the college route. Playing terrible and needs to play a slower pace to learn the PG role.

Big J · Post #1643 » by **Big J** » Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:59 am

ItsDanger wrote:Should have went the college route. Playing terrible and needs to play a slower pace to learn the PG role.

If he'd gone to college he probably wouldn't have been a top 2 pick, and fooled guys like Clyde into believing he'd be generational.

peZt · Post #1644 » by **peZt** » Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:17 am

Watching the duel against Wemby made me believe that he would be the next great athletic PG after DRose and Westbrook. No idea what went wrong, hopefully he can still turn things around

Watch on YouTube

JRoy · Post #1645 » by **JRoy** » Fri Nov 15, 2024 10:37 pm

peZt wrote:Watching the duel against Wemby made me believe that he would be the next great athletic PG after DRose and Westbrook. No idea what went wrong, hopefully he can still turn things around

Watch on YouTube

He’s nothing special as an nba athlete, and is unskilled. Can barely dribble 3 times in a row without carrying.

There’s a word for that in a top 3 pick.

Big J · Post #1646 » by **Big J** » Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:04 am

Clyde, what's up with your boy? Brother looking like Killian Hayes out there.

HadAnEffectHere · Post #1647 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:03 am

To be fair to Scoot, this is looking like a pretty dire draft other than Wemby.

Bilal is the clear #2 guy at this point.

Shock Defeat · Post #1648 » by **Shock Defeat** » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:21 am

He's simply just not as athletic as he was billed to be. He is not a R Westbrook style athlete

Hoopz Afrik · Post #1649 » by **Hoopz Afrik** » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:11 pm

He was always felt much closer to Baron Davis than Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose. I don't think he's a lost cause by any means but the hype machine did his a great disservice.

JRoy · Post #1650 » by **JRoy** » Thu Nov 21, 2024 9:58 pm

Hoopz Afrik wrote:He was always felt much closer to Baron Davis than Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose. I don't think he's a lost cause by any means but the hype machine did his a great disservice.

Hoping he drastically improves. At this time he stinks.

Big J · Post #1651 » by **Big J** » Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:38 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:To be fair to Scoot, this is looking like a pretty dire draft other than Wemby.

Bilal is the clear #2 guy at this point.

Crazy, I had Bilal #2 on my big board.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #1652 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:37 pm

i've said it before but they decided he was going to be a top pick when he was a 17 year old holding his own in the g league and nothing he did after that mattered. there was no need to watch games. no need for any further evaluation. the decision had already been made.

sounds like insanity, but i'm not sure any other explanation makes sense for his being drafted as high as he was.

Shock Defeat · Post #1653 » by **Shock Defeat** » Sat Nov 23, 2024 4:37 am

SeattleJazzFan wrote:i've said it before but they decided he was going to be a top pick when he was a 17 year old holding his own in the g league and nothing he did after that mattered. there was no need to watch games. no need for any further evaluation. the decision had already been made.

sounds like insanity, but i'm not sure any other explanation makes sense for his being drafted as high as he was.

That exhibition game against Wemby when he balled out secured his position as a top 2 pick. The entire narrative was that this was a 2 person draft and it never changed no matter what Scoot did or didn't do the rest of the g-league season. Credit to MJ for drafting Miller instead against the consensus.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #1654 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:02 am

Bad franchises always fail at rebuilding because they never time their trades right or embrace tanks by playing the kids. First of all, no difference making FA is going to choose POR so stop trying to appease agents by playing veterans. Second, getting a late, oftentimes conditional, 1st isn't worth it over developing young players and ascertaining whether that young player is worth investing more energy into going forward. Finally, you end up winning meaningless games which hurt your draft pick. It's just baffling how poorly run so many teams in the NBA are.

Henderson
Sharpe
Avdija
Camara
Clingan

should be their starting five. Sprinkle in Grant, Ayton, Williams and Simons 20 mpg off the bench to show teams looking for trades that they're healthy and embrace the tank. Starters should all be getting 28-30 minutes. If vets don't like it get them out of town before they become a locker room cancer.

Henderson is not going to develop and you won't have your answer about whether he can be part of the core going forward unless you give him the minutes so he can do so. At the end of the season they should know because they will have let him run the show and he should be giving enough flashes to trust him going forward. Or not. At which point you can safely add PG to your draft shopping list.

Big J · Post #1655 » by **Big J** » Sat Nov 23, 2024 11:00 pm

I always hate the notion of YOU HAVE TO DRAFT a certain guy at a certain spot or you're a moron. Too much group think led to Charlotte getting killed on Twitter for taking Miller ahead of him.

EvanZ · Post #1656 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:20 pm

Hoopz Afrik wrote:He was always felt much closer to Baron Davis than Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose. I don't think he's a lost cause by any means but the hype machine did his a great disservice.

Baron Davis was awesome. One of the best point guard defenders in my lifetime. And he was more explosive than Scoot arguably.

Special_Puppy · Post #1657 » by **Special_Puppy** » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:49 pm

Big J wrote:I always hate the notion of YOU HAVE TO DRAFT a certain guy at a certain spot or you're a moron. Too much group think led to Charlotte getting killed on Twitter for taking Miller ahead of him.

I think that most teams would have taken Miller number 2. Scoot clearly being above Miller was just a fan thing

Braggins · Post #1658 » by **Braggins** » Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:07 pm

pace adjusted stats this season (bbref)

Scoot Henderson
per70: 15.8 pts ~ 3.8 reb ~ 6.7 ast ~ 1.4 stl ~ 0.4 blk ~ 3.5 tov ~ 3.3 pf
47.9% 2pt ~ 35.2% 3pt (5.0 3pta) ~ 76.9% ft (4.2 fta) ~ 54.7% ts
-2.5 bpm ~ -12 net ~ 22.1% usg ~ .337 FTr ~ 1.91 ast/tov

Brandon Miller
per70: 21.1 pts ~ 4.8 reb ~ 3.6 ast ~ 1.1 stl ~ 0.8 blk ~ 2.8 tov ~ 2.7 pf
47.5% 2pt ~ 35.5% 3pt (10.9 3pta) ~ 86.1% ft (2.9 fta) ~ 54.0% ts
+0.1 bpm ~ -10 net ~ 27.4% usg ~ .161 FTr ~ 1.29 ast/tov

Slim Charless · Post #1659 » by **Slim Charless** » Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:08 pm

Special_Puppy wrote:
Big J wrote:I always hate the notion of YOU HAVE TO DRAFT a certain guy at a certain spot or you're a moron. Too much group think led to Charlotte getting killed on Twitter for taking Miller ahead of him.

I think that most teams would have taken Miller number 2. Scoot clearly being above Miller was just a fan thing

That's not true at all.

Definitely the sports media as well. I remember Bill Simmons and everyone at the Ringer were all about Scoot. ESPN wasn't far behind and I'm pretty sure tankathon had him over Miller as well. Hardly just fans.

In his defense, pdx has a ton of guards so Scoot hasn't really gotten the chance to claim the team as his own. Still, he should be better. Maybe he sees the light now. Finally.

EvanZ · Post #1660 » by **EvanZ** » Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:38 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Special_Puppy wrote:
Big J wrote:I always hate the notion of YOU HAVE TO DRAFT a certain guy at a certain spot or you're a moron. Too much group think led to Charlotte getting killed on Twitter for taking Miller ahead of him.

I think that most teams would have taken Miller number 2. Scoot clearly being above Miller was just a fan thing

That's not true at all.

Definitely the sports media as well. I remember Bill Simmons and everyone at the Ringer were all about Scoot. ESPN wasn't far behind and I'm pretty sure tankathon had him over Miller as well. Hardly just fans.

In his defense, pdx has a ton of guards so Scoot hasn't really gotten the chance to claim the team as his own. Still, he should be better. Maybe he sees the light now. Finally.

It's literally been less than 1 1/2 seasons. :lol: