2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread

[MavsDirk41]

His 1st 2 MVPs were on the Cavs, really really bad rosters, exactly like Jokic's 1st 2, only LeBron had worse rosters and better success, his 3rd and 4th he was the best player in the world and the only one to have claim at GOAT after MJ, it really isn't close.

Again similar. Jokic is the best player in the world last couple of years and had less support than Lebron’s super team. You could say Jokic is way more valuable to his team than Lebron was to the Heat. As the Nuggets rosters Heat there is no competition in terms of talent. Now you look up the historical numbers Jokic putting up this year I don’t think there should no fatigue at all. These numbers or close to it even Lebron hasn’t done.

12+13 LeBron was the best player with the best statistical profile on the best team in the league, before his 4th MVP, he already had 2 finals and 1 CF, how is Jokic similar to him?
Yes they both had 1 ring before their 4th MVP, bit LeBron was much much more accomplished.
LeBron didn't win in 11 as F' you vote for destroying competition, no one had an ounce of doubt he WILL win with a semblance of a competitive roster.
Jokic didn't win in 23 specifically because people were afraid of giving 3rd MVP to someone who may never reach the finals, even his supporters were asking whether you can win with a player like him at center defensively, after getting targeted 2 years in a row by CP3 and Steph Curry.

MVP is a narrative award, the narrative around LeBron James and Nikola Jokic couldn't be any different.

James was playing with 2 all star teammates in 2011, one making the all nba team and being top 7 in mvp voting. If he was destroying competition, he had a little bit of help along the way, no??

[California Gold]

Nuggets fans get carried away too often. Now we're comparing LeBron to Jokic?

[Johnny Firpo]

Nuggets fans get carried away too often. Now we're comparing LeBron to Jokic?

While I rate peak LeBron higher than current Jokic, the difference in their impact is certainly not big enough for you to make this comment. It's basically a consensus at this point that Jokic has/by the end of this season, will have a top 5 all-time 5-year peak.

[Special_Puppy]

Nuggets fans get carried away too often. Now we're comparing LeBron to Jokic?

While I rate peak LeBron higher than current Jokic, the difference in their impact is certainly not big enough for you to make this comment. It's basically a consensus at this point that Jokic has/by the end of this season, will have a top 5 all-time 5-year peak.

That's not consensus at all. Jordan, LeBron, Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Hakeem, and Russell already gets you to 8

[Johnny Firpo]

Nuggets fans get carried away too often. Now we're comparing LeBron to Jokic?

While I rate peak LeBron higher than current Jokic, the difference in their impact is certainly not big enough for you to make this comment. It's basically a consensus at this point that Jokic has/by the end of this season, will have a top 5 all-time 5-year peak.

That's not consensus at all. Jordan, LeBron, Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Hakeem, and Russell already gets you to 8

It definitely is here on realgm at least, if we are talking about statistical 5-year peak. Wilt, Duncan, Hakeem and Russell has no case over Jokic in a stat-based five-year peak comparison, at all. If we bring in championships, that's obviously a different discussion. Jordan, LeBron, KAJ probably ahead of Joker in the 5-year statistical peak comparison, but I personally wouldn't be that mad if someone puts Jokic at 1st in this particular (!) comp. If you are talking about accolades, again, that's a different discussion.

[Kurtz]

Nuggets fans get carried away too often. Now we're comparing LeBron to Jokic?

While I rate peak LeBron higher than current Jokic, the difference in their impact is certainly not big enough for you to make this comment. It's basically a consensus at this point that Jokic has/by the end of this season, will have a top 5 all-time 5-year peak.

That's not consensus at all. Jordan, LeBron, Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Hakeem, and Russell already gets you to 8

I see 2, maybe 3 guys on that list who were superior, but certainly not 8.

[Special_Puppy]

While I rate peak LeBron higher than current Jokic, the difference in their impact is certainly not big enough for you to make this comment. It's basically a consensus at this point that Jokic has/by the end of this season, will have a top 5 all-time 5-year peak.

That's not consensus at all. Jordan, LeBron, Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Hakeem, and Russell already gets you to 8

It definitely is here on realgm at least, if we are talking about statistical 5-year peak. Wilt, Duncan, Hakeem and Russell has no case over Jokic in a stat-based five-year peak comparison, at all. If we bring in championships, that's obviously a different discussion. Jordan, LeBron, KAJ probably ahead of Joker in the 5-year statistical peak comparison, but I personally wouldn't be that mad if someone puts Jokic at 1st in this particular (!) comp. If you are talking about accolades, again, that's a different discussion.

I don't agree that Wilt+Duncan+Hakeem+Russell have no case for having a higher 5-year peak

[Wolfgang630]

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Joker still number 1 and hasn’t played a game in like 8 years ;_;

[Kurtz]

That's not consensus at all. Jordan, LeBron, Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Hakeem, and Russell already gets you to 8

It definitely is here on realgm at least, if we are talking about statistical 5-year peak. Wilt, Duncan, Hakeem and Russell has no case over Jokic in a stat-based five-year peak comparison, at all. If we bring in championships, that's obviously a different discussion. Jordan, LeBron, KAJ probably ahead of Joker in the 5-year statistical peak comparison, but I personally wouldn't be that mad if someone puts Jokic at 1st in this particular (!) comp. If you are talking about accolades, again, that's a different discussion.

I don't agree that Wilt+Duncan+Hakeem+Russell have no case for having a higher 5-year peak

The problem we have with the Wilts and Russels and Kareems is that looking at their gaudy numbers we have to take into account that they were playing against accountants, and when we look at all their rings we have to remember that they were playing in a league with like 8 teams.

So if we look at just the modern guys you've mentioned...sure, MJ's on a pedestal and probably Lebron too...but if you compare the big men, Shaq/Duncan/Hakeem/Jokic...it's absolutely not clearcut how you would rank the 4 imo, as you can make an argument for each guy.

[Kurtz]

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Joker still number 1 and hasn’t played a game in like 8 years ;_;

If the Lakers sustain their current winning % and Joker doesn't pass the games played criteria, AD has a legit shot at this imo.

[scrabbarista]

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Joker still number 1 and hasn’t played a game in like 8 years ;_;

If the Lakers sustain their current winning % and Joker doesn't pass the games played criteria, AD has a legit shot at this imo.

Can't wait to hear all about how great that will be for James' legacy.

[Coach Carter]

Take Giannis off 'other', it's embarrassing.

[Magic Giannison]

Imagine having GIannis as other in the poll, lmao its embarrassing


Meanwhile the NBA .com is a joke.



Giannis did this last year and those dumb asses didn't even fact check.

[soxperry]

Nah, leave it like that and show it to Giannis

[WhatTheBuck]

I'm just here for the statistical evidence for why Jokic is a better defender than Giannis.

[Wolfgang630]

Do bucks fans always have to do this every single year? Again with this defense stuff. Thats like 4 years old news

[WhatTheBuck]

Do bucks fans always have to do this every single year? Again with this defense stuff. Thats like 4 years old news

Truth always rises to the surface

[ReasonablySober]

I'm not gonna argue Jokic isn't a deserving #1 and probably by a big margin.

But the margin between Giannis and whoever is at #3 is just as huge.

There's those two and then the rest of the league. Tatum? What the hell?

[AleksandarN]

Jokic has the worst number 2 among the MVPs at this point it is not even close

[Wolfgang630]

As far as best players in the game it’s clearly Jokic and Giannis. Tatum/AD/Luka are number 3.