Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season

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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#261 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:01 pm

ItsDanger wrote:This is the type of playing style that can make teammates worse.


It's the opposite. They play better because he's a prolific playmaker who can move the rock like Jason Kidd
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#262 » by EmpireFalls » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:13 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:This is the type of playing style that can make teammates worse.


It's the opposite. They play better because he's a prolific playmaker who can move the rock like Jason Kidd

You are casting pearls before swine.

No one has actually watched the Hornets start to finish. They throw in their casual comments and continuously shift the goal posts.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#263 » by tsherkin » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:18 pm

DusterBuster wrote:Wake me when he's actually contributing to a winning basketball team. He's always been an incredible individual talent but he's venturing into the "good stats / bad team" guy. Same with Cade Cunningham.

EDIT: I fully expect plenty of backlash to this comment, I also don't care enough about the Hornets or Lamelo to really get into any protracted back and forth convo with anyone here about it.


It's an ignorant remark, though. Peripheral examination of the roster would reveal that. One player, even an ATG (which LaMelo is not) can accomplish only so much.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#264 » by BigGargamel » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:25 pm

DusterBuster wrote:Wake me when he's actually contributing to a winning basketball team. He's always been an incredible individual talent but he's venturing into the "good stats / bad team" guy. Same with Cade Cunningham.

EDIT: I fully expect plenty of backlash to this comment, I also don't care enough about the Hornets or Lamelo to really get into any protracted back and forth convo with anyone here about it.


:lol:

So you knew you dropped a bad take, and don't want to discuss your bad take on an internet message board, made for discussing things? So you just posted to hear yourself talk?
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#265 » by fatlever » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:51 pm

Why is it so hard for people to have a rational conversation about LaMelo?
Why is it so hard for people to understand that he pretty much missed the entirety of the second half of the past two seasons. Like why is the fact that the Hornets were terrible the past two years held against LaMelo when the reason they were terrible was because he was hurt, Along with other key players both years?
The last time he was healthy to finish out a season and the team around him was remotely healthy, the team won 43 games
In looking at this season, it doesn't take a lot of effort to understand that the Hornets right now are without five of their top 9 players in the rotation - Miles, Tre Mann, Mark Williams, Nick Richards and Grant Williams. and somehow Vasa Micic has Either completely forgotten how to play basketball, or is sabotaging in order to get waved and go back to Europe.
The current version of this team has never had a chance to play more than a couple of games together.
LaMelo has always been a very willing passer and has never been a selfish player. The green light he has right now is a combination of, this is what the coaching staff is asking him to do, A complete lack of healthy legit rotation Players outside of Brandon Miller.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#266 » by tsherkin » Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:40 pm

fatlever wrote:LaMelo has always been a very willing passer and has never been a selfish player. The green light he has right now is a combination of, this is what the coaching staff is asking him to do, A complete lack of healthy legit rotation Players outside of Brandon Miller.


Just to toss it out there, there haven't really been many seasons of 24+ FGA/g that has reflected a player with tons of help.

There have been 18 player-seasons of 24+ FGA/g in the three-point era. Kobe once, Ice Man twice, Harden once, Iverson 5x, 03 McGrady, 01 Stackhouse, 2017 Westbrook, Nique twice. Jordan four times (but only once in a title year).

Jordan and Harden's seasons (87 aside) are basically the only ones where you were looking at good teams while that happened.

It is generally the case that a player generally is neither asked nor permitted to shoot that much unless the team has no other choice. Or is Michael Jordan.

So yeah, I think Ball is kind of doing what's asked of him at the moment, and we'll see how the season progresses.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#267 » by shotsquatch » Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:08 am

Lamelo is so good it's goofy. Strong argument that he's a top 5 most skilled player in the league.

I've always loved watching him play. He makes the NBA look like playground basketball.
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Post#268 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:27 am

DusterBuster wrote:Wake me when he's actually contributing to a winning basketball team. He's always been an incredible individual talent but he's venturing into the "good stats / bad team" guy. Same with Cade Cunningham.

EDIT: I fully expect plenty of backlash to this comment, I also don't care enough about the Hornets or Lamelo to really get into any protracted back and forth convo with anyone here about it.


Cade Cunningham couldn't lace Lamelos shoes.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#269 » by DusterBuster » Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:03 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:Wake me when he's actually contributing to a winning basketball team. He's always been an incredible individual talent but he's venturing into the "good stats / bad team" guy. Same with Cade Cunningham.

EDIT: I fully expect plenty of backlash to this comment, I also don't care enough about the Hornets or Lamelo to really get into any protracted back and forth convo with anyone here about it.


Cade Cunningham couldn't lace Lamelos shoes.


*whispers* they’re basically the same player, LaMelo just shoots an ungodly amount of shots.

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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#270 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:07 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:Wake me when he's actually contributing to a winning basketball team. He's always been an incredible individual talent but he's venturing into the "good stats / bad team" guy. Same with Cade Cunningham.

EDIT: I fully expect plenty of backlash to this comment, I also don't care enough about the Hornets or Lamelo to really get into any protracted back and forth convo with anyone here about it.


Cade Cunningham couldn't lace Lamelos shoes.


*whispers* they’re basically the same player, LaMelo just shoots an ungodly amount of shots.

/lightsfirerunsaway


Not sure why you're doing all the fire runs away stuff. But Lamelo is just better. Easily, actually.
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Post#271 » by NBA_is_cringe » Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:04 am

who would have thought that LaMelo LaFrance Ball would be stupid?
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Post#272 » by stillgotgame » Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:52 am

EmpireFalls wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:This is the type of playing style that can make teammates worse.


It's the opposite. They play better because he's a prolific playmaker who can move the rock like Jason Kidd

You are casting pearls before swine.

No one has actually watched the Hornets start to finish. They throw in their casual comments and continuously shift the goal posts.


I watched against the Bucks last week. LaMelo has become a chucker. I watched him get the inbounds pass, dribble up the court, wave away a screen and chuck up a shot - on 6 straight possessions. Some of the shots went in due to his incredible skill level. Most didn’t. But he killed any effort his teammates would make as he completely ignored them. He went to Miller a couple times later in the game, was good to see.
He chucked up 35 shots in another L tonight. Don’t tell me he shouldn’t pass the ball. Dame beat the Heat last night with a similar talentless Bucks team, missing Giannis and Middleton.

Pass the ball LaMelo. Too good a player to just be a chucker.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#273 » by 316Hornets » Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:36 am

stillgotgame wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
It's the opposite. They play better because he's a prolific playmaker who can move the rock like Jason Kidd

You are casting pearls before swine.

No one has actually watched the Hornets start to finish. They throw in their casual comments and continuously shift the goal posts.


I watched against the Bucks last week. LaMelo has become a chucker. I watched him get the inbounds pass, dribble up the court, wave away a screen and chuck up a shot - on 6 straight possessions. Some of the shots went in due to his incredible skill level. Most didn’t. But he killed any effort his teammates would make as he completely ignored them. He went to Miller a couple times later in the game, was good to see.
He chucked up 35 shots in another L tonight. Don’t tell me he shouldn’t pass the ball. Dame beat the Heat last night with a similar talentless Bucks team, missing Giannis and Middleton.

Pass the ball LaMelo. Too good a player to just be a chucker.



LaMelo still put in 32 points and went 4/7 from 3 in the 4th. Hornets really had a great chance at a win too. When that's a bad game, you know that's a special player.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#274 » by Infinite Llamas » Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:55 am

316Hornets wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:You are casting pearls before swine.

No one has actually watched the Hornets start to finish. They throw in their casual comments and continuously shift the goal posts.


I watched against the Bucks last week. LaMelo has become a chucker. I watched him get the inbounds pass, dribble up the court, wave away a screen and chuck up a shot - on 6 straight possessions. Some of the shots went in due to his incredible skill level. Most didn’t. But he killed any effort his teammates would make as he completely ignored them. He went to Miller a couple times later in the game, was good to see.
He chucked up 35 shots in another L tonight. Don’t tell me he shouldn’t pass the ball. Dame beat the Heat last night with a similar talentless Bucks team, missing Giannis and Middleton.

Pass the ball LaMelo. Too good a player to just be a chucker.



LaMelo still put in 32 points and went 4/7 from 3 in the 4th. Hornets really had a great chance at a win too. When that's a bad game, you know that's a special player.


There’s aren’t many players in this league who won’t get 32 points on 35 shots.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#275 » by BigGargamel » Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:47 am

Dude shot 20 goddang 3 pointers. One player. Ouch. :lol:

Obviously a fun player to watch and a heck of a scorer, but he's basically jacking up an ungodly amount of shots, and putting up zero effort on defense (other than fouling out all the time). He's one of the worst defenders in the NBA. The Hornets don't have much other than he and Miller, so I can't really blame him, but still. That usage rate is crazy.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#276 » by Rainwater » Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:58 am

BigGargamel wrote:Dude shot 20 goddang 3 pointers. One player. Ouch. :lol:

Obviously a fun player to watch and a heck of a scorer, but he's basically jacking up an ungodly amount of shots, and putting up zero effort on defense (other than fouling out all the time). He's one of the worst defenders in the NBA. The Hornets don't have much other than he and Miller, so I can't really blame him, but still. That usage rate is crazy.


Yeah, he is going to get his shoots off on that Hornets team. There really isn’t really much else there.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#277 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:16 am

stillgotgame wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
It's the opposite. They play better because he's a prolific playmaker who can move the rock like Jason Kidd

You are casting pearls before swine.

No one has actually watched the Hornets start to finish. They throw in their casual comments and continuously shift the goal posts.


I watched against the Bucks last week. LaMelo has become a chucker. I watched him get the inbounds pass, dribble up the court, wave away a screen and chuck up a shot - on 6 straight possessions. Some of the shots went in due to his incredible skill level. Most didn’t. But he killed any effort his teammates would make as he completely ignored them. He went to Miller a couple times later in the game, was good to see.
He chucked up 35 shots in another L tonight. Don’t tell me he shouldn’t pass the ball. Dame beat the Heat last night with a similar talentless Bucks team, missing Giannis and Middleton.

Pass the ball LaMelo. Too good a player to just be a chucker.
Buddy pass to who?

You want a 40yr old Taj Gibson taking shots that currently his starting center.

How about Josh Green? Yeah who he plays for.

Oh wait can I interest you in Cody Martin? Yeah never heard of em huh?

If that's not good enough what about Moussa Diabate who can't catch a cold.

Cmon bro he has to chuck when he has nobody outside of Miller who can score a basketball. Talk to me when he has a healthy roster and not missing our 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th starting and rotation pieces.

That's what we going through right now my man.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#278 » by bubonicphoniks » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:17 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:You are casting pearls before swine.

No one has actually watched the Hornets start to finish. They throw in their casual comments and continuously shift the goal posts.


I watched against the Bucks last week. LaMelo has become a chucker. I watched him get the inbounds pass, dribble up the court, wave away a screen and chuck up a shot - on 6 straight possessions. Some of the shots went in due to his incredible skill level. Most didn’t. But he killed any effort his teammates would make as he completely ignored them. He went to Miller a couple times later in the game, was good to see.
He chucked up 35 shots in another L tonight. Don’t tell me he shouldn’t pass the ball. Dame beat the Heat last night with a similar talentless Bucks team, missing Giannis and Middleton.

Pass the ball LaMelo. Too good a player to just be a chucker.
Buddy pass to who?

You want a 40yr old Taj Gibson taking shots that currently his starting center.

How about Josh Green? Yeah who he plays for.

Oh wait can I interest you in Cody Martin? Yeah never heard of em huh?

If that's not good enough what about Moussa Diabate who can't catch a cold.

Cmon bro he has to chuck when he has nobody outside of Miller who can score a basketball. Talk to me when he has a healthy roster and not missing our 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th starting and rotation pieces.

That's what we going through right now my man.
It's not like that man. These are pro ball players. Basketball is a team game.

You just don't get it.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#279 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:19 am

bubonicphoniks wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
I watched against the Bucks last week. LaMelo has become a chucker. I watched him get the inbounds pass, dribble up the court, wave away a screen and chuck up a shot - on 6 straight possessions. Some of the shots went in due to his incredible skill level. Most didn’t. But he killed any effort his teammates would make as he completely ignored them. He went to Miller a couple times later in the game, was good to see.
He chucked up 35 shots in another L tonight. Don’t tell me he shouldn’t pass the ball. Dame beat the Heat last night with a similar talentless Bucks team, missing Giannis and Middleton.

Pass the ball LaMelo. Too good a player to just be a chucker.
Buddy pass to who?

You want a 40yr old Taj Gibson taking shots that currently his starting center.

How about Josh Green? Yeah who he plays for.

Oh wait can I interest you in Cody Martin? Yeah never heard of em huh?

If that's not good enough what about Moussa Diabate who can't catch a cold.

Cmon bro he has to chuck when he has nobody outside of Miller who can score a basketball. Talk to me when he has a healthy roster and not missing our 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th starting and rotation pieces.

That's what we going through right now my man.
It's not like that man. These are pro ball players. Basketball is a team game.

You just don't get it.

Harden won a MVP playing like this. Just saying.
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Re: Lamelo Ball has been going absolutely STUPID this season 

Post#280 » by Knicks365247 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:49 am

new nickname: Lamelo "it's my" Ball

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