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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#21 » by djsunyc » Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:42 pm

djsunyc wrote:changing trend for defense?

last 3 games ortg/drtg/net

102.7 (27th) / 107.6 (7th) / -4.9 (19th)

there has been some press about darko and his defense. since then, our defense has been much better. unfortunately, our offense has cratered.


last 4 games ortg/drtg/net: 108.3 (24th) / 109.4 (9th) / -1.1 (17th)

our defense is still holding up. our major weakness is turnovers where we've gotten slightly worse.
our TOV% was 15.9% (22nd) prior to the last 4 games. the last 4 games has our TOV% at 17.3 (26th).

and just how bad have turnovers hurt us? on the season, we are giving up 22.5 (29th) points off turnovers and 16.5 (28th) 2nd chance points. okc is 1st giving up only 12.8 points off turnovers.
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#22 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Fri Nov 22, 2024 3:29 am

How are our D# ranks now? we in top 15 at least or?
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Post#23 » by djsunyc » Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:11 pm

ortg/drtg/net

season (4-12): 111.6 (17th) / 116.6 (24th) / -5.0 (24th)

last 5 games (2-3): 109.0 (22nd) / 108.9 (10th) / +0.1 (15th)
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#24 » by RaptorLakerJay » Sat Nov 23, 2024 11:55 pm

djsunyc wrote:
djsunyc wrote:changing trend for defense?

last 3 games ortg/drtg/net

102.7 (27th) / 107.6 (7th) / -4.9 (19th)

there has been some press about darko and his defense. since then, our defense has been much better. unfortunately, our offense has cratered.


last 4 games ortg/drtg/net: 108.3 (24th) / 109.4 (9th) / -1.1 (17th)

our defense is still holding up. our major weakness is turnovers where we've gotten slightly worse.
our TOV% was 15.9% (22nd) prior to the last 4 games. the last 4 games has our TOV% at 17.3 (26th).

and just how bad have turnovers hurt us? on the season, we are giving up 22.5 (29th) points off turnovers and 16.5 (28th) 2nd chance points. okc is 1st giving up only 12.8 points off turnovers.


This is actually incredible insight. Means that if they just take care of the ball better and rebound better that they could be a great team.
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#25 » by mdenny » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:28 am

RaptorLakerJay wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
djsunyc wrote:changing trend for defense?

last 3 games ortg/drtg/net

102.7 (27th) / 107.6 (7th) / -4.9 (19th)

there has been some press about darko and his defense. since then, our defense has been much better. unfortunately, our offense has cratered.


last 4 games ortg/drtg/net: 108.3 (24th) / 109.4 (9th) / -1.1 (17th)

our defense is still holding up. our major weakness is turnovers where we've gotten slightly worse.
our TOV% was 15.9% (22nd) prior to the last 4 games. the last 4 games has our TOV% at 17.3 (26th).

and just how bad have turnovers hurt us? on the season, we are giving up 22.5 (29th) points off turnovers and 16.5 (28th) 2nd chance points. okc is 1st giving up only 12.8 points off turnovers.


This is actually incredible insight. Means that if they just take care of the ball better and rebound better that they could be a great team.


The problem is you can't be a "ball movement" team and not turn the ball over. Those two things go hand in hand.
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#26 » by djsunyc » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:39 pm

[quote="mdenny" ]

The problem is you can't be a "ball movement" team and not turn the ball over. Those two things go hand in hand.[/quote]

for raw #'s, that is probably true.

shifting it to turnover % which adjusts it based in mins and pace, we are ranked 24th at 16.3%. worst are the jazz at 18%. best are okc at 11.7%.

so 16.3% of the time, we are turning it over.

we are middle of the pack for pace is 99.65 (15th). if we can lower our tov% by 1 or 2 %, it would have quite a significant impact on our defense.

we are ranked 4th in passes per game at 310.8. gsw, indiana and chi are ranked 1, 2 and 3. in terms of tov%, gsw is 13th, indy is 15th and chicago is 17th.

the quickest way to improve our defense is to just protect the ball better. hopefully that comes with time.
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#27 » by djsunyc » Wed Nov 27, 2024 6:19 pm

last 7 games, drtg was 110.6 (10th overall) while ranking 25th in TOV% at 16.2.
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#28 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:02 am

djsunyc wrote:last 7 games, drtg was 110.6 (10th overall) while ranking 25th in TOV% at 16.2.


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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#29 » by djsunyc » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:04 pm

last 8 games (record 3-5, 2-1 home, 1-4 road)

ortg: 109.6 (23rd)
drtg: 108.1 (7th!)
net: +1.4 (12th - thank you new orleans
tov%: 16.1 (26th)

since scottie's return:
110.9 (17th) / 106.8 (6th) / +4.1 (13th) / 15.0 (22nd)

is the team identity starting to take shape as a defensive one? still turning it over but despite that, our drtg has been great.
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#30 » by mdenny » Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:09 am

djsunyc wrote:[quote="mdenny" ]

The problem is you can't be a "ball movement" team and not turn the ball over. Those two things go hand in hand.[/quote]

for raw #'s, that is probably true.

shifting it to turnover % which adjusts it based in mins and pace, we are ranked 24th at 16.3%. worst are the jazz at 18%. best are okc at 11.7%.

so 16.3% of the time, we are turning it over.

we are middle of the pack for pace is 99.65 (15th). if we can lower our tov% by 1 or 2 %, it would have quite a significant impact on our defense.

we are ranked 4th in passes per game at 310.8. gsw, indiana and chi are ranked 1, 2 and 3. in terms of tov%, gsw is 13th, indy is 15th and chicago is 17th.

the quickest way to improve our defense is to just protect the ball better. hopefully that comes with time.[/quote][/quote]


The fact that "ball-movement" offenses NECESSARILY have higher turnover rates is not just a data thing. It's also intuitive/common sense.

If your offense is: bring ball up the floor....run a quick screen and get it to KD or SGA for an iso. Then they either attack or try to get a switch and THEN attack. It's common sense that a turnover is more likely for possessions where there are 5 to 6 passes as opposed to 1 or 2.

I mean....during crunch time in the playoffs....iso teams often don't even bother with the 1 pass and just give it straight to their iso star to bring ball up the floor.

Which brings up a related point: "ball movement" offenses rarely work in the playoffs. The warriors being an exception.
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#31 » by RaptorLakerJay » Sun Dec 1, 2024 12:05 am

Sorry, not exactly team stats, but notable that there are 2 Raptors in here.

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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#32 » by djsunyc » Sun Dec 1, 2024 3:39 pm

last 10 games (3-7, 2-1 home, 1-6 road)

ortg: 110.5 (21st)
drtg: 112.2 (15th)
net: -1.7 (15th)

fta: 22.5 (7th)
ft%: 72.4 (29th)

pace: 97.44 (23rd)

tov% - 16.8 (28th)
opp pts off turnovers: 18.3 (17th)
opp 2nd chance pts: 14.2 (17th)


two consistently glaring weaknesses that are self inflicted:

1. not making fts. we are 7th in the league in attempts! but almost dead last in %.

2. turnovers which hurts our drtg.
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#33 » by Dalek » Sun Dec 1, 2024 11:38 pm

We have a homestand. I expect the numbers to flip with turnovers and efficiency. It is just a typical young team that gets the yips on the road.
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#34 » by Ell Curry » Mon Dec 2, 2024 12:12 am

RaptorLakerJay wrote:Sorry, not exactly team stats, but notable that there are 2 Raptors in here.

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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#35 » by djsunyc » Mon Dec 2, 2024 11:55 pm

last 11 games (4-7, 3-1 home, 1-6 road)

ortg: 111.2 (21st)
drtg: 112.5 (13th)
net: -1.3 (17th)

home:
ortg: 112.4 (18th)
drtg: 108.4 (10th)
net: +4.0 (12th)

our 3 most used lineups in the last 11:

yak/rj/ochai/davion/dick: 116.1 / 105.2 / +10.8

yak/rj/ochai/scottie/jakobe: 115.6 / 99.1 / +16.5

yak/rj/ochai/davion/scottie: 107.1 / 107.4 / -0.2
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#36 » by djsunyc » Wed Dec 4, 2024 5:04 pm

some stats since scottie's return 11/21 (7 games):

record: 4-3 (3-0 home, 1-3 road)

pace: 99.86 (13th)
3pa: 34.3 (23rd)
3p%: 35.0 (18th)
fta: 23.0 (11th)
ft%: 70.2 (29th)
ts%: 57.8 (13th)

ortg: 112.9 (13th)
drtg: 110.2 (10th)
net: +2.7 (13th)
reb%: 52.9 (1st)

tov%: 16.5 (25th)
opp pts off tov: 16.4 (9th)
opp 2nd chance pts: 12.0 (10th)

clutch stats:
ortg: 106.5 (21st)
drtg: 113.1 (16th)
net: -6.5 (19th)

ON court net rating (>75 mins)
jakobe: +14.7
chris: +9.7
shead: +7.7
battle: +6.8
scottie: +5.6
yak: +1.1
davion: +0.8
ochai: +0.6
rj: -0.3
mogbo: -0.4
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#37 » by djsunyc » Tue Dec 31, 2024 2:34 pm

season:
ortg: 110.0 (24th)
drtg: 116.5 (26th)
net: -6.5 (25th)
TO%: 16.3 (27th)
reb%: 50.9 (10th)

december:
ortg: 107.5 (25th)
drtg: 118.0 (27th)
net: -10.5 (28th)
TO%: 16.5 (26th)
reb%: 48.3 (28th)

dec 1 - dec 22 (9 games):
ortg: 106.9 (24th)
drtg: 113.3 (19th)
net: -6.4 (24th)
TO%: 15.8 (23rd)
reb%: 49.1 (19th)

dec 23 - dec 30 (3 games):
ortg: 109.1 (21st)
drtg: 131.1 (30th)
net: -22.0 (30th)
TO%: 18.6 (27th)
reb%: 45.9 (29th)

the first 9 games of the month had us playing our best stretch of defense this year in terms of drtg. it's just the last 3 games where everything has fallen apart.

i don't know if that will continue but just wanted to put some numbers to try and dampen down some of the panac. time will tell if this is the new normal. don't expect any improvements vs. the celtics tonight.
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#38 » by djsunyc » Mon Mar 3, 2025 4:37 pm

drtg

season: 115.4 (24th)
before jan 11: 117.8 (27th) - 39 games
after jan 11: 111.6 (7th) - 23 games
since all star break: 111.5 (11th) - 6 games

best defenders ON court since jan 11 lower than 111.6:

davion: 103.0 (10 games)
yak: 104.3 (15 games)
ochai: 104.6 (17 games)
chris: 107.4 (11 games)
bruce: 108.0 (13 games)
scottie: 108.9 (22 games)
orlando: 108.7 (17 games)
IQ: 109.4 (14 games)
jakobe: 111.2 (19 games)
RJ: 111.3 (18 games)
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Re: 24/25 Team Stats Thread 

Post#39 » by bluerap23 » Mon Mar 3, 2025 5:19 pm

djsunyc wrote:drtg

season: 115.4 (24th)
before jan 11: 117.8 (27th) - 39 games
after jan 11: 111.6 (7th) - 23 games
since all star break: 111.5 (11th) - 6 games

best defenders ON court since jan 11 lower than 111.6:

davion: 103.0 (10 games)
yak: 104.3 (15 games)
ochai: 104.6 (17 games)
chris: 107.4 (11 games)
bruce: 108.0 (13 games)
scottie: 108.9 (22 games)
orlando: 108.7 (17 games)
IQ: 109.4 (14 games)
jakobe: 111.2 (19 games)
RJ: 111.3 (18 games)


I've been really impressed with the defence. RJ improvement has been very noticeable. IQ is a pleasant surprise as well. Our path to playoffs next season is to follow Orlando's model.
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