[Jake Fischer] Talks Trade Market

[Thaddy]

On Bruce Brown/Raptors trade possibilities

Hes at a cap number that will be interesting in the trade market

Guys making in the 20-25 million range are harder to trade,

Aprons are a factor

He speculates about Golden State as a fit

Blakes read is they would be likely getting a couple of 2nds for him, not a first

Mentions that Kelly/Boucher as easier to trade

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/raptors-show/the-nba-trade-market-a-pelicans-preview/

[Mattatron]

Yeah, at this point i would start extension talks with BB at a reasonable price. His market and value is super low. He's a good clue guy, can be a productive vet, and a good locker guy. So extend him, once he gets regular minutes again, he can prove again what a valuable player he can be. And then trade him when his value is at the highest. No point in trading him this season, better just be patient and build on it, nothing to lose in this scenario. It's a win win for brucey and the raptors depth. Championship Pedigree.

[Duffman100]

Would love to see a deadline like the Blue Jays (ew did I just say that?)

But sell off these extraneous assets. You don't need to hit a homer, just a bunch of singles and maybe a double.

[djsunyc]

Yeah, at this point i would start extension talks with BB at a reasonable price. His market and value is super low. He's a good clue guy, can be a productive vet, and a good locker guy. So extend him, once he gets regular minutes again, he can prove again what a valuable player he can be. And then trade him when his value is at the highest. No point in trading him this season, better just be patient and build on it, nothing to lose in this scenario. It's a win win for brucey and the raptors depth. Championship Pedigree.

there would be some duplication between him and ochai (if gradey starts). i think the franchise will most likely roll with the cheaper option considering barnes' extension kicks in next year.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Send Brown to the Pels as cap relief in a Zion package.

[Scase]

Yeah, at this point i would start extension talks with BB at a reasonable price. His market and value is super low. He's a good clue guy, can be a productive vet, and a good locker guy. So extend him, once he gets regular minutes again, he can prove again what a valuable player he can be. And then trade him when his value is at the highest. No point in trading him this season, better just be patient and build on it, nothing to lose in this scenario. It's a win win for brucey and the raptors depth. Championship Pedigree.

If we can't even get decent value for him as a rather large expiring, why would anyone want BB at 29-32 years old on a locked in contract? His value is highest as an expiring, not some inflated contract on a guy who will be aging out in a few seasons.

We **** the bed not trading him for the rumoured 1st from NYC, and then again picking up his option, we don't need to do it a 3rd time. Just extract whatever value you can out of him, and move on. This "oh but maybe next deadline" crap doesn't work.

[Psubs]

Would love to see a deadline like the Blue Jays (ew did I just say that?)

But sell off these extraneous assets. You don't need to hit a homer, just a bunch of singles and maybe a double.

Hit enough singles then at the deadline teams that want to get under the luxury tax might trade a 1st with salary for a 2nd.

[Tor_Raps]

I watched the segment and he provided 0 actual info. He said he was doing different things but will be getting back into the loop now that Dec15 is approaching lol

[YogurtProducer]

Yeah, at this point i would start extension talks with BB at a reasonable price. His market and value is super low. He's a good clue guy, can be a productive vet, and a good locker guy. So extend him, once he gets regular minutes again, he can prove again what a valuable player he can be. And then trade him when his value is at the highest. No point in trading him this season, better just be patient and build on it, nothing to lose in this scenario. It's a win win for brucey and the raptors depth. Championship Pedigree.

If we can't even get decent value for him as a rather large expiring, why would anyone want BB at 29-32 years old on a locked in contract? His value is highest as an expiring, not some inflated contract on a guy who will be aging out in a few seasons.

We **** the bed not trading him for the rumoured 1st from NYC, and then again picking up his option, we don't need to do it a 3rd time. Just extract whatever value you can out of him, and move on. This "oh but maybe next deadline" crap doesn't work.

People who want Brown want him for the player he is, not because he is an expiring.

If you can re-sign Brown at a better 12-15M deal over a few years he has a ton more value than he does now. Easier to trade at that number, locked up for multiple years (easier to swallow moving an asset than it is for a rental),etc.

I am all for bringing him back if the market isn't right. But if you cant bring him back get what you can get.

[Thaddy]

You can trade Brown who will provide talent and cap relief to our trade partner. Both of those should be equal to a first round pick or a couple of 2nds.

[sidsid]

Yeah, at this point i would start extension talks with BB at a reasonable price. His market and value is super low. He's a good clue guy, can be a productive vet, and a good locker guy. So extend him, once he gets regular minutes again, he can prove again what a valuable player he can be. And then trade him when his value is at the highest. No point in trading him this season, better just be patient and build on it, nothing to lose in this scenario. It's a win win for brucey and the raptors depth. Championship Pedigree.

If we can't even get decent value for him as a rather large expiring, why would anyone want BB at 29-32 years old on a locked in contract? His value is highest as an expiring, not some inflated contract on a guy who will be aging out in a few seasons.

We **** the bed not trading him for the rumoured 1st from NYC, and then again picking up his option, we don't need to do it a 3rd time. Just extract whatever value you can out of him, and move on. This "oh but maybe next deadline" crap doesn't work.

People who want Brown want him for the player he is, not because he is an expiring.

If you can re-sign Brown at a better 12-15M deal over a few years he has a ton more value than he does now. Easier to trade at that number, locked up for multiple years (easier to swallow moving an asset than it is for a rental),etc.

I am all for bringing him back if the market isn't right. But if you cant bring him back get what you can get.

This will be the second offseason with the apron concerns. I really wonder how many teams are going to be out there spending at all. I'm thinking Gary was the canary in the coal mine.

The trick most rebuilding teams over the cap used this offseason was leveraging the MLE as defacto cap space for absorbing salary instead of FA spending. Most contenders are apron locked and can't even offer that. Sub cap teams are likely gunning for bigger fish or waiting it out.

You're gonna have guys like Bruce and Fred out there for the MLE and very little dumb money left (Tobias the last FA in this category?).

Might get him at a bigger discount by playing chicken, but I have a feeling most playoffs teams that can swing it will still covet him.

[mrdressup]

Yeah, at this point i would start extension talks with BB at a reasonable price. His market and value is super low. He's a good clue guy, can be a productive vet, and a good locker guy. So extend him, once he gets regular minutes again, he can prove again what a valuable player he can be. And then trade him when his value is at the highest. No point in trading him this season, better just be patient and build on it, nothing to lose in this scenario. It's a win win for brucey and the raptors depth. Championship Pedigree.

We are about to let him walk after he refuses all our offers. Seen this movie before. If you can get two early-ish seconds jump on it.

[billy_hoyle]

Yeah, at this point i would start extension talks with BB at a reasonable price. His market and value is super low. He's a good clue guy, can be a productive vet, and a good locker guy. So extend him, once he gets regular minutes again, he can prove again what a valuable player he can be. And then trade him when his value is at the highest. No point in trading him this season, better just be patient and build on it, nothing to lose in this scenario. It's a win win for brucey and the raptors depth. Championship Pedigree.

If we can't even get decent value for him as a rather large expiring, why would anyone want BB at 29-32 years old on a locked in contract? His value is highest as an expiring, not some inflated contract on a guy who will be aging out in a few seasons.

We **** the bed not trading him for the rumoured 1st from NYC, and then again picking up his option, we don't need to do it a 3rd time. Just extract whatever value you can out of him, and move on. This "oh but maybe next deadline" crap doesn't work.

The value on Bruce Brown might be: championship caliber role player in his prime locked in at 10 - 15 million.

Is a 5 year $60m deal bad for Toronto? I think that's valuable to us. Are we really trying to tank NEXT year?

Dude is 28. That's 3-4 years older than last year's old rookies (Trayce Jackson Davis, Sasser and Jaime Jaquez).

[mieshpal]

At 15-17 per year I would sign him to 3 year deal . Good glue guy if you don't get the return you want

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[DKB333]

Yeah, at this point i would start extension talks with BB at a reasonable price. His market and value is super low. He's a good clue guy, can be a productive vet, and a good locker guy. So extend him, once he gets regular minutes again, he can prove again what a valuable player he can be. And then trade him when his value is at the highest. No point in trading him this season, better just be patient and build on it, nothing to lose in this scenario. It's a win win for brucey and the raptors depth. Championship Pedigree.

Why would Brown Jr. want to play for a rebuilding team after this season?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Trading for Brown, paying him 23M, surgery on his knee...all so he can be a bench player next year.

If that's all we get, that seems like a waste of assets.

[ForeverTFC]

Depending on the cap and their plans this summer, I'd extend and hold the asset until the off-season if they can't get a first out of it. MLE money probably gets it done on a 2+1 given how stingy teams were with it this off-season. Try and get something in the off-season for him.

[ForeverTFC]

Yeah, at this point i would start extension talks with BB at a reasonable price. His market and value is super low. He's a good clue guy, can be a productive vet, and a good locker guy. So extend him, once he gets regular minutes again, he can prove again what a valuable player he can be. And then trade him when his value is at the highest. No point in trading him this season, better just be patient and build on it, nothing to lose in this scenario. It's a win win for brucey and the raptors depth. Championship Pedigree.

Why would Brown Jr. want to play for a rebuilding team after this season?

Did you see how stingy teams were in FA? He might not even get the MLE in that kind of environment.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Bruce's the NBA equivalent of buying a time-share vacation condo. I'm not sure why we got it, or why we're still paying for it. Nobody ever uses the thing either. Just find another sucker to buy it.

[Scase]

Yeah, at this point i would start extension talks with BB at a reasonable price. His market and value is super low. He's a good clue guy, can be a productive vet, and a good locker guy. So extend him, once he gets regular minutes again, he can prove again what a valuable player he can be. And then trade him when his value is at the highest. No point in trading him this season, better just be patient and build on it, nothing to lose in this scenario. It's a win win for brucey and the raptors depth. Championship Pedigree.

If we can't even get decent value for him as a rather large expiring, why would anyone want BB at 29-32 years old on a locked in contract? His value is highest as an expiring, not some inflated contract on a guy who will be aging out in a few seasons.

We **** the bed not trading him for the rumoured 1st from NYC, and then again picking up his option, we don't need to do it a 3rd time. Just extract whatever value you can out of him, and move on. This "oh but maybe next deadline" crap doesn't work.

The value on Bruce Brown might be: championship caliber role player in his prime locked in at 10 - 15 million.

Is a 5 year $60m deal bad for Toronto? I think that's valuable to us. Are we really trying to tank NEXT year?

Dude is 28. That's 3-4 years older than last year's old rookies (Trayce Jackson Davis, Sasser and Jaime Jaquez).

Brown does nothing but clog up an already clogged up guard rotation. He offers us nothing more than Ochai does aside from being a vet. He's useful for a team making a push, we are not that, we have plenty of players already, and whoever we end up drafting, that will need development minutes.

Not to mention, if he is that valuable, why wouldnt anyone else just sign him with the MLE? He serves no purpose here.