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[NoDopeOnSundays]

Many would say that’s a lot of money for a perpetually injured backup rim runner but thanks for catching and acknowledging my little dig there

Mitch signed his deal in summer of 2022, the Knicks have played 183 regular season games since then, he has played in 90 of them.


Safe to say his deal has been a complete bust, and the "wait till Mitch gets back" phrase must have been said here at least thousands of times.

About 50% give or take. So when he comes back at about game 40 , he play the next 40 or so. That might just work out well for us.

Or of course you trade Dadiet, Kolek and 2FRPs for Kessler

We can't afford Kessler.

I would expect Kessler’s camp to come to the negotiating table with eyes on a contract similar to Nic Claxton who signed a four-year, $97 million deal in Brooklyn this summer after averaging 12.3 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 2.3 blocks per game over the last two seasons.

Gotta let that thought go, he's going to get paid on his extension.

[KnixinSix]

in terms of pure talent, I put this team up there in the top 5 most talented Knick teams in the past 30 years

1)92-93
2)96-97
3) 24-25
4) 99
5) 99-00

When all is said and done it could be the best when you count both offense and defense together.

Lets call KAT and Ewing a wash. Ewing better defender but KAT the more efficient offenseive guy.

Who is better than Brunson though? Spree? Houston? An older Larry Johnson? Melo?

Brunson is the best of the bunch.

Then factor in the other 3 starters considering both their offensive and defensive skill set.....I think this could be the most talented or at least best roster construction we have had since the 70's

[KnixinSix]

Mitch signed his deal in summer of 2022, the Knicks have played 183 regular season games since then, he has played in 90 of them.


Safe to say his deal has been a complete bust, and the "wait till Mitch gets back" phrase must have been said here at least thousands of times.

About 50% give or take. So when he comes back at about game 40 , he play the next 40 or so. That might just work out well for us.

Or of course you trade Dadiet, Kolek and 2FRPs for Kessler

We can't afford Kessler.

I would expect Kessler’s camp to come to the negotiating table with eyes on a contract similar to Nic Claxton who signed a four-year, $97 million deal in Brooklyn this summer after averaging 12.3 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 2.3 blocks per game over the last two seasons.

Gotta let that thought go, he's going to get paid on his extension.

No we dont he is under contract 3 more years (with a QO on year 3)

Even if you lose him after year 3 he is worth it if you consider him a final peice to shore up our biggest weakness to go on multiple championship runs.

[robillionaire]

About 50% give or take. So when he comes back at about game 40 , he play the next 40 or so. That might just work out well for us.

Or of course you trade Dadiet, Kolek and 2FRPs for Kessler

We can't afford Kessler.

I would expect Kessler’s camp to come to the negotiating table with eyes on a contract similar to Nic Claxton who signed a four-year, $97 million deal in Brooklyn this summer after averaging 12.3 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 2.3 blocks per game over the last two seasons.

Gotta let that thought go, he's going to get paid on his extension.

No we dont he is under contract 3 more years (with a QO on year 3)

Even if you lose him after year 3 he is worth it if you consider him a final peice to shore up our biggest weakness to go on multiple championship runs.

Ainge won’t deal him unless it’s a ripoff. Anyway Nick Richards and Cody Martin arrive soon!

[KnixinSix]

We can't afford Kessler.





Gotta let that thought go, he's going to get paid on his extension.

No we dont he is under contract 3 more years (with a QO on year 3)

Even if you lose him after year 3 he is worth it if you consider him a final peice to shore up our biggest weakness to go on multiple championship runs.

Ainge won’t deal him unless it’s a ripoff. Anyway Nick Richards and Cody Martin arrive soon!

Even if its Nick Richards, Id take it. Need to add another rim protecting big to this mix with Mitch being so fragile.

Heck Id even give Ainge... Kolek, Dadiet (who they really like) AND Huk + 1-2FRPs for Kessler+another player they don't want for salary fller. Kessler is a blocking machine who would get even BETTER under our coaching staff .

Its really the only remaining weak facet of the team really. We can get away with it some nights but others we sorely need an elite rim protector to run Thibs preferred style of defense.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

About 50% give or take. So when he comes back at about game 40 , he play the next 40 or so. That might just work out well for us.

Or of course you trade Dadiet, Kolek and 2FRPs for Kessler

We can't afford Kessler.

I would expect Kessler’s camp to come to the negotiating table with eyes on a contract similar to Nic Claxton who signed a four-year, $97 million deal in Brooklyn this summer after averaging 12.3 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 2.3 blocks per game over the last two seasons.

Gotta let that thought go, he's going to get paid on his extension.

No we dont he is under contract 3 more years (with a QO on year 3)

Even if you lose him after year 3 he is worth it if you consider him a final peice to shore up our biggest weakness to go on multiple championship runs.

3 years? He's a RFA after next season. We have 4 centers on the roster, it makes no sense trading for another one that is a starter no less to come off the bench.

KAT is our C, he's going to soak up 40-42mpg in the playoffs, it makes virtually no sense to go after another C. If it comes down to it just keep Mitch and hope his ankle holds up, or trade him for a wing and roll with Precious / Sims. I don't get this obsession with Kessler, it made sense before we had KAT, now it makes no sense.

[KnixinSix]

We can't afford Kessler.





Gotta let that thought go, he's going to get paid on his extension.

No we dont he is under contract 3 more years (with a QO on year 3)

Even if you lose him after year 3 he is worth it if you consider him a final peice to shore up our biggest weakness to go on multiple championship runs.

3 years? He's a RFA after next season. We have 4 centers on the roster, it makes no sense trading for another one that is a starter no less to come off the bench.

KAT is our C, he's going to soak up 40-42mpg in the playoffs, it makes virtually no sense to go after another C. If it comes down to it just keep Mitch and hope his ankle holds up, or trade him for a wing and roll with Precious / Sims. I don't get this obsession with Kessler, it made sense before we had KAT, now it makes no sense.

Is HoopsHype wrong then? They are generally pretty accurate for contracts and terms....

https://hoopshype.com/player/walker-kessler/salary/

Huk is a rook with a learning curve, Sims though usuable is essentially a 0 on offense and low IQ.

Kessler would be a great addition for a championship run.


Several executives around the league who spoke with HoopsHype believe it would take at least two second-round picks to pry Richards from Charlotte. In the eyes of those executives, however, an asterisk to that equation is the health of starting center Mark Williams, who has yet to play this season. With Williams only playing 62 games total through the start of his third NBA campaign, Charlotte has placed more of an emphasis on keeping Richards. HOOPSHYPE

2 2nd rounders not bad...


Teams gauging Kessler’s availability in Utah have come away with the sense that it’ll take at least two first-round picks to pry him from the Jazz, a high asking price in their eyes. HOOPSHYPE.

2FRPs and Dadiet or 1FRP and Dadiet + Kolek (or Huk)....very doable

[jvsimonetti0514]

Ihart mentioned last season that he’s never been more prepared than playing for Thibs and he came from playing under Lue. He has his flaws but he’s a damn good coach

As one of the bigger Thibs haters/doubters on this board, I have no quarrel with any of this. The guy is a good coach in many aspects and unquestionably gets results.

I think what we might miss sometimes with thibs is the things that aren't quantifiable. Like the players, a jHart for example, are willing to run through a brick wall for him. He is the kinda guy that every other player on the outside on hates, and wouldn't want to play for, but his guys love him.

But got dayum those mins are concerning as hell.

The 8 man rotation is really nuts. I’m with all you in that but it’s pretty obvious to me that Thibs has really adapted in the past 2 years. He’s absolutely willing to try stuff as long as it works or thinks it will. So as long as the guys buy in I’m totally on board too.

[stuporman]

There was a whole troop of Magic fans **** talking earlier including one saying the only way the Knicks win is if they get ref help. Oopsy daisy.

Where are they now? LOL

Disappearing act was their final trick

I think it was the Knicks that performed the magic trick

The metal bats made a return

[Spree2Houston]

What happened to that magic fan lol he came in talking and now hiding lol

[Galvationknicks]

I notice a lot of happy people around here. Where's all of the hate? We need rim protection. KAT sucks. Can't win with Brunson/KAT. Mikal trade will go down as one of the worst in NBA history. OG contract is one of the the worst in NBA history. Yada yada yada.

I think I'm on the wrong site. It's too happy in here with everyone sucking their own dicks! I'm just here to say I told you so! Which is me sucking my own dick! PATIENCE MOTHERFUQQERS! We just getting warmed up!

TMI?

No let's suck all of our dicks

[Guano]

As one of the bigger Thibs haters/doubters on this board, I have no quarrel with any of this. The guy is a good coach in many aspects and unquestionably gets results.

I think what we might miss sometimes with thibs is the things that aren't quantifiable. Like the players, a jHart for example, are willing to run through a brick wall for him. He is the kinda guy that every other player on the outside on hates, and wouldn't want to play for, but his guys love him.

But got dayum those mins are concerning as hell.

The 8 man rotation is really nuts. I’m with all you in that but it’s pretty obvious to me that Thibs has really adapted in the past 2 years. He’s absolutely willing to try stuff as long as it works or thinks it will. So as long as the guys buy in I’m totally on board too.

This is where I land, too. I have concerns about thibs rotations/mins/protect the paint at all cost mentsloty, Wikal and the 5picks, OG's health, kat turning into a dummy in the playoffs, but im not about to let dread ruin this ride.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

No we dont he is under contract 3 more years (with a QO on year 3)

Even if you lose him after year 3 he is worth it if you consider him a final peice to shore up our biggest weakness to go on multiple championship runs.

3 years? He's a RFA after next season. We have 4 centers on the roster, it makes no sense trading for another one that is a starter no less to come off the bench.

KAT is our C, he's going to soak up 40-42mpg in the playoffs, it makes virtually no sense to go after another C. If it comes down to it just keep Mitch and hope his ankle holds up, or trade him for a wing and roll with Precious / Sims. I don't get this obsession with Kessler, it made sense before we had KAT, now it makes no sense.

Is HoopsHype wrong then? They are generally pretty accurate for contracts and terms....

https://hoopshype.com/player/walker-kessler/salary/

Huk is a rook with a learning curve, Sims though usuable is essentially a 0 on offense and low IQ.

Kessler would be a great addition for a championship run.


Several executives around the league who spoke with HoopsHype believe it would take at least two second-round picks to pry Richards from Charlotte. In the eyes of those executives, however, an asterisk to that equation is the health of starting center Mark Williams, who has yet to play this season. With Williams only playing 62 games total through the start of his third NBA campaign, Charlotte has placed more of an emphasis on keeping Richards. HOOPSHYPE

2 2nd rounders not bad...


Teams gauging Kessler’s availability in Utah have come away with the sense that it’ll take at least two first-round picks to pry him from the Jazz, a high asking price in their eyes. HOOPSHYPE.

2FRPs and Dadiet or 1FRP and Dadiet + Kolek (or Huk)....very doable

They've picked up his options, he's a RFA after next season.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/78133/walker-kessler

You don't trade first round picks for a player you cannot retain, we simply cannot afford him if we traded for him. Mikal has an extension coming up soon, and Jalen isn't going to be taking another discount.


He's not a realistic trade target, he was before we had KAT, he's not realistic now. What do you think happens when he's a RFA and we're a apron team? A team will make an offer we can't match and that's that, we lost a player that we traded our last picks for.

[MrDollarBills]

All NBA talent. Ppl were really crying her about his offense of all things?

How embarrassing and short sighted. But that's par for the course for some

Haha...I don't get too down on folks for this stuff, I think there's been some warranted criticism and full blown overreaction, but I think it all comes from a good place and frankly, anxiousness.

I said awhile back what really endeared me to this fanbase was the fact that people have suffered through absolute crap. I hold to that. When someone panics about Karl, or even Mikal, I know it's about wanting things to go right, and not about the player per say.

It's all a process. I think the team is well ahead of schedule. Karl has been a revelation on both ends though, I will say that much. I knew he was good, but man he's out there punishing people, cleaning the glass, and he's not getting any whistles.

I'm trying to rationalize the irrational. If we read every game thread you'd think that this was a lottery team sometimes, but i think it's just nerves because the expectation is a championship.

Everyone just wants to win

[MrDollarBills]

I notice a lot of happy people around here. Where's all of the hate? We need rim protection. KAT sucks. Can't win with Brunson/KAT. Mikal trade will go down as one of the worst in NBA history. OG contract is one of the the worst in NBA history. Yada yada yada.

I think I'm on the wrong site. It's too happy in here with everyone sucking their own dicks! I'm just here to say I told you so! Which is me sucking my own dick! PATIENCE MOTHERFUQQERS! We just getting warmed up!

TMI?

No let's suck all of our dicks

Jesus christ that was graphic

[MrDollarBills]

Just checked too, and KAT leads the NBA in rebounds per game, while we play at the 3rd slowest pace in the league. Big Purr.

Even in the losses recently he was inhaling rebounds. He's been consistent on the glass

[KnixinSix]

3 years? He's a RFA after next season. We have 4 centers on the roster, it makes no sense trading for another one that is a starter no less to come off the bench.

KAT is our C, he's going to soak up 40-42mpg in the playoffs, it makes virtually no sense to go after another C. If it comes down to it just keep Mitch and hope his ankle holds up, or trade him for a wing and roll with Precious / Sims. I don't get this obsession with Kessler, it made sense before we had KAT, now it makes no sense.

Is HoopsHype wrong then? They are generally pretty accurate for contracts and terms....

https://hoopshype.com/player/walker-kessler/salary/

Huk is a rook with a learning curve, Sims though usuable is essentially a 0 on offense and low IQ.

Kessler would be a great addition for a championship run.


Several executives around the league who spoke with HoopsHype believe it would take at least two second-round picks to pry Richards from Charlotte. In the eyes of those executives, however, an asterisk to that equation is the health of starting center Mark Williams, who has yet to play this season. With Williams only playing 62 games total through the start of his third NBA campaign, Charlotte has placed more of an emphasis on keeping Richards. HOOPSHYPE

2 2nd rounders not bad...


Teams gauging Kessler’s availability in Utah have come away with the sense that it’ll take at least two first-round picks to pry him from the Jazz, a high asking price in their eyes. HOOPSHYPE.

2FRPs and Dadiet or 1FRP and Dadiet + Kolek (or Huk)....very doable

They've picked up his options, he's a RFA after next season.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/78133/walker-kessler

You don't trade first round picks for a player you cannot retain, we simply cannot afford him if we traded for him. Mikal has an extension coming up soon, and Jalen isn't going to be taking another discount.


He's not a realistic trade target, he was before we had KAT, he's not realistic now. What do you think happens when he's a RFA and we're a apron team? A team will make an offer we can't match and that's that, we lost a player that we traded our last picks for.

It may impact the full package of what we would give up overall.But two years for a player that could be key as a final piece to a championship run is worth it

[Fat Kat]

Read on Twitter

[sol537]

Read on Twitter

We also got the cup games…

Still, we should be eatin’ good and solidify the 3rd seed and knock on the door of the 2nd… maybe

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Is HoopsHype wrong then? They are generally pretty accurate for contracts and terms....

https://hoopshype.com/player/walker-kessler/salary/

Huk is a rook with a learning curve, Sims though usuable is essentially a 0 on offense and low IQ.

Kessler would be a great addition for a championship run.


Several executives around the league who spoke with HoopsHype believe it would take at least two second-round picks to pry Richards from Charlotte. In the eyes of those executives, however, an asterisk to that equation is the health of starting center Mark Williams, who has yet to play this season. With Williams only playing 62 games total through the start of his third NBA campaign, Charlotte has placed more of an emphasis on keeping Richards. HOOPSHYPE

2 2nd rounders not bad...


Teams gauging Kessler’s availability in Utah have come away with the sense that it’ll take at least two first-round picks to pry him from the Jazz, a high asking price in their eyes. HOOPSHYPE.

2FRPs and Dadiet or 1FRP and Dadiet + Kolek (or Huk)....very doable

They've picked up his options, he's a RFA after next season.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/78133/walker-kessler

You don't trade first round picks for a player you cannot retain, we simply cannot afford him if we traded for him. Mikal has an extension coming up soon, and Jalen isn't going to be taking another discount.


He's not a realistic trade target, he was before we had KAT, he's not realistic now. What do you think happens when he's a RFA and we're a apron team? A team will make an offer we can't match and that's that, we lost a player that we traded our last picks for.

It may impact the full package of what we would give up overall.But two years for a player that could be key as a final piece to a championship run is worth it

We're better off just keeping Mitch if the other option is to trade multiple picks for a backup. At the end of the day, he would be KAT's backup.

Kessler nor Poeltl make any sense for this team, trading for a starting center to be a backup when there's an all-star MVP caliber center already on the team, with 3 backups makes no sense.