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HomoSapien wrote:Pistons were the team most linked to Zach before he has his season ending surgery. I guess there's no reason to believe their initial reason for wanting him would have changed given that he's playing so much better.
SirKaiser wrote:These Lavine trades always sound horrible as long as they are considered a salary dump. Get back to me when there's a combination of players and multiple picks (one of which needs to be a 1st).
Last year Lavine's stock took a hit for multiple reasons, and I applaud AK for not selling low. They know he's worth so much more than what we've been seeing in these "rumors"
Dan Z wrote:SirKaiser wrote:These Lavine trades always sound horrible as long as they are considered a salary dump. Get back to me when there's a combination of players and multiple picks (one of which needs to be a 1st).
Last year Lavine's stock took a hit for multiple reasons, and I applaud AK for not selling low. They know he's worth so much more than what we've been seeing in these "rumors"
What if nobody offers a first round pick for him or a decent young player? Do the Bulls keep him indefinitely?
Chi town wrote:I will keep saying it…
Zach stays and Coby goes for a 1st in this draft and a future 1st or young player.
Dez wrote:Chi town wrote:I will keep saying it…
Zach stays and Coby goes for a 1st in this draft and a future 1st or young player.
You can keep saying it but the only way Coby fetches 2 1sts is if they are top 20 protected.
Chi town wrote:Dan Z wrote:SirKaiser wrote:These Lavine trades always sound horrible as long as they are considered a salary dump. Get back to me when there's a combination of players and multiple picks (one of which needs to be a 1st).
Last year Lavine's stock took a hit for multiple reasons, and I applaud AK for not selling low. They know he's worth so much more than what we've been seeing in these "rumors"
What if nobody offers a first round pick for him or a decent young player? Do the Bulls keep him indefinitely?
I think you have to keep him until the summer when a lot of trades open up and he only has two years left on his deal and the cap rises. His injury stuff is even farther in the rear view.
Dan Z wrote:Chi town wrote:Dan Z wrote:
What if nobody offers a first round pick for him or a decent young player? Do the Bulls keep him indefinitely?
I think you have to keep him until the summer when a lot of trades open up and he only has two years left on his deal and the cap rises. His injury stuff is even farther in the rear view.
I'm not sure how concerned teams are about his injury history. He's healthy now and definitely doesn't have a history like other players such as Kawhi, Zion, Lonzo, etc. Relative to the league he plays an okay amount of games (besides last year, which I think he could've continued to play had he not opted for surgery, but why gut it out that season?).
As for waiting until the summer it depends on the deal. You think the Bulls should keep him if all they're offered are contracts (players without long term deals) and something minor like a few seconds? It might be a good idea to just move on. Plus, waiting could still mean nothing better is offered.
Muzbar wrote:Dan Z wrote:Chi town wrote:
I think you have to keep him until the summer when a lot of trades open up and he only has two years left on his deal and the cap rises. His injury stuff is even farther in the rear view.
I'm not sure how concerned teams are about his injury history. He's healthy now and definitely doesn't have a history like other players such as Kawhi, Zion, Lonzo, etc. Relative to the league he plays an okay amount of games (besides last year, which I think he could've continued to play had he not opted for surgery, but why gut it out that season?).
As for waiting until the summer it depends on the deal. You think the Bulls should keep him if all they're offered are contracts (players without long term deals) and something minor like a few seconds? It might be a good idea to just move on. Plus, waiting could still mean nothing better is offered.
I'm with you. I think the Bulls should pull the band-aid off, but I wouldn't be surprised if Zach is retained due to them being unable to trade him. I don't agree with it, but it seems likely that's what'll happen.
Vuc on the other hand should definitely be traded, plus he should be easier to trade seeing as he's got 1 left year than LaVine, more than 20m less per year than LaVine which also makes it easier to match.
Vuc, Coby and Zach, IMO, should all be traded, Pat should be explored as should Giddey (I had high hopes...).
Dan Z wrote:Muzbar wrote:Dan Z wrote:
I'm not sure how concerned teams are about his injury history. He's healthy now and definitely doesn't have a history like other players such as Kawhi, Zion, Lonzo, etc. Relative to the league he plays an okay amount of games (besides last year, which I think he could've continued to play had he not opted for surgery, but why gut it out that season?).
As for waiting until the summer it depends on the deal. You think the Bulls should keep him if all they're offered are contracts (players without long term deals) and something minor like a few seconds? It might be a good idea to just move on. Plus, waiting could still mean nothing better is offered.
I'm with you. I think the Bulls should pull the band-aid off, but I wouldn't be surprised if Zach is retained due to them being unable to trade him. I don't agree with it, but it seems likely that's what'll happen.
Vuc on the other hand should definitely be traded, plus he should be easier to trade seeing as he's got 1 left year than LaVine, more than 20m less per year than LaVine which also makes it easier to match.
Vuc, Coby and Zach, IMO, should all be traded, Pat should be explored as should Giddey (I had high hopes...).
I agree. Move on to the next iteration of the team.
I wonder what kind of value Coby has...?
pipfan wrote:I'm fine with keeping Giddy if he's not penciled in as a long term starter. Play him 24 min off the bench and he works (and pay him accordingly). If he gets a better offer, bon voyage
Keep Ayo/Lavine (if no good offers come)/Matas/PWill/Smith
Trade White and Vuc to create some cap space and get assets
Keep our pick this year and see what happens
sco wrote:pipfan wrote:I'm fine with keeping Giddy if he's not penciled in as a long term starter. Play him 24 min off the bench and he works (and pay him accordingly). If he gets a better offer, bon voyage
Keep Ayo/Lavine (if no good offers come)/Matas/PWill/Smith
Trade White and Vuc to create some cap space and get assets
Keep our pick this year and see what happens
If we are keeping Zach into next season, I'd really try to keep Ball (if healthy) and start him over Giddey. I still think the pairing of those two is very good.
Chi town wrote:I bet Jimmy goes to the Rockets for J Green and filler. Herro and Green would be fun but most likely ineffective.
Chi town wrote:I bet Jimmy goes to the Rockets for J Green and filler. Herro and Green would be fun but most likely ineffective.
Muzbar wrote:Chi town wrote:I bet Jimmy goes to the Rockets for J Green and filler. Herro and Green would be fun but most likely ineffective.
Jalen Green cannot be traded this year due to his extension...
sco wrote:Dan Z wrote:Muzbar wrote:I'm with you. I think the Bulls should pull the band-aid off, but I wouldn't be surprised if Zach is retained due to them being unable to trade him. I don't agree with it, but it seems likely that's what'll happen.
Vuc on the other hand should definitely be traded, plus he should be easier to trade seeing as he's got 1 left year than LaVine, more than 20m less per year than LaVine which also makes it easier to match.
Vuc, Coby and Zach, IMO, should all be traded, Pat should be explored as should Giddey (I had high hopes...).
I agree. Move on to the next iteration of the team.
I wonder what kind of value Coby has...?
I'm on board. Zach will be hard to move during the season, but IMO the trade-off is the impact of trading him on our pick this season as to whether we take a deal without picks. I doubt Pat gets traded (and don't think he has much value...maybe a non-lotto 1st and a shorter contract back). If we get any kind of 1st for Giddey I'd take it, but I suspect they won't do that deal either. I can see the logic giving Giddey the full season to see how he responds if we trade Zach/Vuc, and maybe try to keep him on a Pat or cheaper deal.
As much as I am on board with a full rebuild, I just don't think AK goes there. I think his goal is to bring back more "Giddeys" and see if he can build around a young/experienced core and find a #1 via FA/trade and hope that Matas or a future 1st turn into a #2.
Chi town wrote:Muzbar wrote:Chi town wrote:I bet Jimmy goes to the Rockets for J Green and filler. Herro and Green would be fun but most likely ineffective.
Jalen Green cannot be traded this year due to his extension...
Hmm. Rockets don’t have the contract do they?
I’d love to see Jimmy on the Dubs.
Don’t see how he has much value.