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[DingleJerry]

I don't think you could have ever "bought low" on Turner in the past. Dude was a lottery pick that matched expectations and the Pacers were more than happy to immediately give him two reasonable extensions. But this Pacers team sucks, and outside of the 3PT shooting, his numbers are pretty down this year. Gotta keep rooting for them to suck, but the time to buy low is now.

https://8points9seconds.com/indiana-pacers-fans-uncomfortable-myles-turner-discussion

While there is still time to right the ship, the Pacers have given fans very little reason to believe they can turn things around this season. Instead of potentially competing in the conference finals again, the Pacers are barely in the Play-In picture this late in the season. With Turner hitting unrestricted free agency next summer, it might be time for the team to make one of their hardest decisions in recent history.

Due to the nature of two-year contracts in the NBA, which Turner is currently on, the Pacers big man cannot sign a new extension this season. This has led some to believe the Pacers could benefit from trading Turner to a contender by the trade deadline to acquire some assets in return.

Yea probably too strong of a phrase, but you know what I mean. Those two didn't mesh, one had to go, at the time there was a narrative that Turner's first deal was an overpay and he wasn't worth it, etc. Did the Pacers themselves ever think it? Possibly not so like you said probably wasn't really a thing, but for the chatter on places like this it kinda was

[slos]

Pat and 2031 FRP for Kuminga whould be awesome if somehow Bucks could become a third team in a Warriors bigger deal.

Lillard (36)/Green (12)
Jackson (20)/Trent (20)/Green (8)
Middleton (30)/Kuminga (18)
Kuminga (12)/Bobby (24)/Giannis (12)
Giannis (24)/Lopez (24)

Bucks immediately become more athletic replacing Lopez with Kuminga in the starting lineup, while cutting Prince from the 9 man rotation. Lopez would still be valuable as 6th for certain matchups and for Giannis not to become a full time C. Bobby still gets buckets and high minutes. Kuminga comes also as an insurance in case Midds gets hurt.

[randy84]

I'm all in on Turner, just don't think the Bucks have what it takes to get him.

[Ron Swanson]

Kuminga would be an intriguing gamble, but not being the best version of yourself playing alongside Steph is akin to not working out with the Spurs in the mid-2000's. Massive red flag for me.

He's still a bad/lazy defender who fancies himself as an on-ball scorer despite being woefully inefficient. I'd be very careful trading for him if I were a contender. Year 4 and he still doesn't give off any "winning-player" vibes.

[BigO]

I don't think you could have ever "bought low" on Turner in the past. Dude was a lottery pick that matched expectations and the Pacers were more than happy to immediately give him two reasonable extensions. But this Pacers team sucks, and outside of the 3PT shooting, his numbers are pretty down this year. Gotta keep rooting for them to suck, but if anything, the time to buy low is probably now.

https://8points9seconds.com/indiana-pacers-fans-uncomfortable-myles-turner-discussion

While there is still time to right the ship, the Pacers have given fans very little reason to believe they can turn things around this season. Instead of potentially competing in the conference finals again, the Pacers are barely in the Play-In picture this late in the season. With Turner hitting unrestricted free agency next summer, it might be time for the team to make one of their hardest decisions in recent history.

Due to the nature of two-year contracts in the NBA, which Turner is currently on, the Pacers big man cannot sign a new extension this season. This has led some to believe the Pacers could benefit from trading Turner to a contender by the trade deadline to acquire some assets in return.

The article's premise don't match the numbers they lay out. Those are still pretty good numbers. His gross numbers on rebounding, shooting, et al are pretty much the same as always. A little down in some areas and up in others.

I don't know who the Pacers think they'll get that's a better center. He's a better rebounder, better shooter (especially from 3) and a better all around defender than Lopez.

[Baddy Chuck]

I like Turner as a younger Brook type dude but I don't think he's much more than that. 42% from three so far this season is nice but he's never shown that over his 10 year career at any level of consistency (career 36% on 1.5 makes/36), he moves better than Brook but I certainly wouldn't call him a real "switching" defensive center type guy and to call him a good rebounder is kinda laughable as it's literally the biggest knock on him so far. If you don't love Brook Lopez for his faults, I really don't see loving Turner.

[ShootingtheJ]

I think Kumminga would fit poorly next to Giannis. Redundant skillset.

[ShootingtheJ]

Since coming back, Khris has taken over the backup PG duties. Small sample obviously, but our numbers when Dame is off the floor and Khris plays PG are absurd, on both ends of the court. Dude is just so smart.

Also, while many having spent most of the season blasting Bobby's net rating (and maybe deservedly so), his net rating is now less of a negative than Dame's.

[paulpressey25]

Myles Turner played in 77 games last year. The three years prior were 62 (2023) 42 (2022), 47 (2021) and 62 (2020 which had the bubble split to recover).

He was a walking hospital unit. That's always been the rap on him, and why he hasn't scored a max or near max contract.

[soxperry]

Turner feels like a poor man's KP kind of situation. Time Lord feels like a poor man's Turner. Unfortunately, we dont have the luxury of adding someone who could take our contending team to the stratosphere if he holds up. We need a guy who solidifies our status as a contender.

Still, it's not out of the question that we take on some kind of gamble. If you think OKC and Boston are that far ahead of us, perhaps Horst just takes a big swing that could go one of two ways.

Let's not forget that we did get PJ Tucker AND got rid of DJ Augustin's contract for basically nothing except for maybe a perceived difference in valuation between the two 1sts that were exchanged.

Thinking of that Tucker trade, Brooklyn owns our 25 1st as long as it's 5-30. I dont think DFS alone is worth the 31 1st but they COULD send us back our 25 1st along with him.

[randy84]

Since coming back, Khris has taken over the backup PG duties. Small sample obviously, but our numbers when Dame is off the floor and Khris plays PG are absurd, on both ends of the court. Dude is just so smart.

Also, while many having spent most of the season blasting Bobby's net rating (and maybe deservedly so), his net rating is now less of a negative than Dame's.

Bobby's net rating = -2.5
Dame's net rating = -1.8

[ShootingtheJ]

Since coming back, Khris has taken over the backup PG duties. Small sample obviously, but our numbers when Dame is off the floor and Khris plays PG are absurd, on both ends of the court. Dude is just so smart.

Also, while many having spent most of the season blasting Bobby's net rating (and maybe deservedly so), his net rating is now less of a negative than Dame's.

Bobby's net rating = -2.5
Dame's net rating = -1.8

*points/100
Bobby's is -8.7
Dames is -8.8

[yb90]

I see people wanting Turner which would be great but I think the Bucks need to look at guys like Aldama. The Grizz didn't extend him and will likely let him set his market but he could get a Hartenstein type deal. That is the type of player you give up a 1st for in my opinion.

Maybe a 4 team deal with Was

Bucks - Out- Connaughton, '31 1st rd
Bucks - In - Aldama

Grizz - Out - Smart, Konchar, future 2nd
Grizz - In - Brogdon, Connaughton

Wiz - Out - Brogdon
Wiz - In - Smart, Konchar Bucks 1st, Grizz 2nd

The Grizz picks up a better veteran combo guard/Wing and get cap relief from Smart and Konchar deal while not having to lose a 1st rd pick. Plus, G.G. Jackson is coming back soon to possibly eat some of Santi's minutes at PF and Edey will get some of his C minutes.

[Baddy Chuck]

Since coming back, Khris has taken over the backup PG duties. Small sample obviously, but our numbers when Dame is off the floor and Khris plays PG are absurd, on both ends of the court. Dude is just so smart.

Also, while many having spent most of the season blasting Bobby's net rating (and maybe deservedly so), his net rating is now less of a negative than Dame's.

Bobby's net rating = -2.5
Dame's net rating = -1.8

Bobby's is -8.7
Dames is -8.8

For anyone wondering, these are not actually their net ratings and Dame's is still (slightly) better than Bobby's.

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612749/onoffcourt-advanced

[ShootingtheJ]

Bobby's net rating = -2.5
Dame's net rating = -1.8

Bobby's is -8.7
Dames is -8.8

For anyone wondering, these are not actually their net ratings and Dame's is still (slightly) better than Bobby's.

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612749/onoffcourt-advanced

Sorry, I should have clarified that I used points/100 to normalize playing time. Those were the on/ off stats posters were using to bang on Bobby all year.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Bucksc should not be wasting assets on a different center. Everything should spent on a quick combo forward, and possibly on a more offensive tollerable POA defender.

[Baddy Chuck]

Bobby's is -8.7
Dames is -8.8

For anyone wondering, these are not actually their net ratings and Dame's is still (slightly) better than Bobby's.

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612749/onoffcourt-advanced

Sorry, I should have clarified that I used points/100 to normalize playing time. Those were the on/ off stats posters were using to bang on Bobby all year.

For anyone wondering, Dame's on/off is -7.7 and Bobby's is -8. This is already normalized in the offensive and defensive ratings being per 100 possessions based and don't move accounting for pace.

[Ron Swanson]

Myles Turner played in 77 games last year. The three years prior were 62 (2023) 42 (2022), 47 (2021) and 62 (2020 which had the bubble split to recover).

He was a walking hospital unit. That's always been the rap on him, and why he hasn't scored a max or near max contract.

I mean, the reason he's not been on a max deal is because he's never been a max player. He's also played in more games the last 3-years than Giannis lol. Just throwing ideas out there but I'm kinda shocked that everyone here wouldn't be all over something like this, even if Indy probably (maybe?) doesn't go for it. Turner's been stuck on bad defensive teams his whole career, so the KP parallels are actually pretty relevant. Look at what Porzingis got traded for twice in the last 30-months and voila, a contender buys low on him and reaps the benefits.

[BigO]

For anyone wondering, these are not actually their net ratings and Dame's is still (slightly) better than Bobby's.

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612749/onoffcourt-advanced

Sorry, I should have clarified that I used points/100 to normalize playing time. Those were the on/ off stats posters were using to bang on Bobby all year.

For anyone wondering, Dame's on/off is -7.7 and Bobby's is -8. This is already normalized in the offensive and defensive ratings being per 100 possessions based and don't move accounting for pace.

For any one wondering, these stats mean squat to me. If I thought they were meaningful, I would conclude that neither Dame or BP should be playing.

[Baddy Chuck]

Sorry, I should have clarified that I used points/100 to normalize playing time. Those were the on/ off stats posters were using to bang on Bobby all year.

For anyone wondering, Dame's on/off is -7.7 and Bobby's is -8. This is already normalized in the offensive and defensive ratings being per 100 possessions based and don't move accounting for pace.

For any one wondering, these stats mean squat to me. If I thought they were meaningful, I would conclude that neither Dame or BP should be playing.

Recognizing a player's weakness is not saying he's a bad player.

Gunna have to keep this one in the back pocket .