Pretty Worried About This Team, At Least This Year

[Hatrick Ewing]

Everyone was fine when we were 14-8. Now we are 15-10 and the sky is falling again. I am partly guilty as well but, Thibs is the actual problem here. That's my only concern with this team. The stubborn orc faced penguin looking motherfugger!

I get this, but it seemed like they had maybe figured it out. After a few ugly losses, it feels different. Championship contenders are supposed to take care of business and rarely have stretches of multiple games where they're very suspect and show potentially fatal flaws against subpar teams.

[Riot Randolph]

Bro up until very recently we hadn’t losses b2b games…

[Hatrick Ewing]

The Bridges trade when looking at his whole body of work as a two way player as well as ironman availability made perfect sense. The Center is the issue if we stay with Thibs and his very specific system.

We have enough pieces to get the C.

I'm not sure we have the pieces to get a Kessler or Poeltl level C, nor if they're available. Would Jonas Valanciunas be a good back-up C? Or is there a younger springier guy out there, a Claxton type?

Jonas is not the type of C Thibs requires. We are linked to Kessler/Richards/Adams and Jonas in the rumor mill. Financially we can afford the first two but, our pick selection is weak. Mitch would have to go in any trade if we want the the other two.

Getting Kessler from **** Ainge will take a bit of maneuvering. I am not confident we pull that off but, Leon has gotten every player I said we couldn't get the last two years so, fingers crossed.

Richards shouldn't be that difficult to get at all.

Rumor has it Ainge wants two FRPs for Kessler.
Charlotte is rumored to want two 2RPs for Richards but, it depends if their other center Williams is back healthy from what I recall.

We have a weak pile of assets and the 2nd apron to work around but, if there is a worthy center that Thibs wants and he is available, we aren't completely hopeless.

I remember seeing Portland's Duop Reath is available but, I know almost nothing about him. I recall he looked ok last season but, I really don't know if he's what we need. Hes really cheap though.

On the bright side, maybe there's someone who seems unattainable to us at the center position who they think they can get? Thomas Bryant just got traded for a 2RP swap. 2 2RP for Richards doesn't seem steep if true. The fact that the backup center position is pretty much totally unaddressed (having at least an NBA quality player there) that maybe they have something up their sleeve, because it's not typical at all of this front office not to have a plan.

Also, at some point they may have to overpay for a C because they're all in. 2 FRP for Kessler might be a last resort but if they can't figure anything else out at some point they might have to do something like that. Can't be the 2002-2004 Nets where having Jason Collins might have been the reason they didn't win a ship or at least come closer.

[Hatrick Ewing]

Bro up until very recently we hadn’t losses b2b games…

It's not off the rails by any means, but it seems like that's just kind of a random stat. They got embarrassed by Atlanta at home in a big game, cannot defend, and feel like they don;t have a complete identity.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Everyone was fine when we were 14-8. Now we are 15-10 and the sky is falling again. I am partly guilty as well but, Thibs is the actual problem here. That's my only concern with this team. The stubborn orc faced penguin looking motherfugger!

I get this, but it seemed like they had maybe figured it out. After a few ugly losses, it feels different. Championship contenders are supposed to take care of business and rarely have stretches of multiple games where they're very suspect and show potentially fatal flaws against subpar teams.

It's still early and we haven't been "full strength" at all until the last two games. Two of Payne/Deuce/Precious have been out of the lineup much of the season. They were cruising on offense for a minute but, the defense and the rotations have been weak to bad all year. That is not all on Thibs but, a lot of it is. The talent was driving the offense. Not the coaching or the system.

I am not concerned with the roster as much as the coaching but, we need to solidify our depth and go from there. Thibs can't win without his rim protector at the 5. That's the concern and the biggest hurdle until we get Mitch and/or another rim protector center to let Thibs do his thing.

Losing Shart hurt the coach and not having Mitch healthy is making it worse. The injuries to the bench are the other issue. Trade season could not get here fast enough. I love all the mid season trades we have made and the team has gone on runs evey single time we make one. Hopefully Leon can work his magic in the next 7 weeks. The sooner the better. We need more than what we have. Trusting Mitch would be the biggest risk and possibly the biggest mistake we make this year outside of Thibs horrible coaching.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Bro up until very recently we hadn’t losses b2b games…

We haven't had back to back loses since November 4th and Nov 6th. ATL/HOU. That's the ONLY time all year.

[RHODEY]

Everyone was fine when we were 14-8. Now we are 15-10 and the sky is falling again. I am partly guilty as well but, Thibs is the actual problem here. That's my only concern with this team. The stubborn orc faced penguin looking motherfugger!

We just look soft and ininspired overall, and that's something that should never be the case fora Knicks team. But this is kind of a down season for the league in general. I find myself not really giving that much of a ****.

Celtics are dominant, but they are boring just kicking it out for three pointers all game. This is what the nba is now and its lame.

Anyway we still have a 3-4 year window so hopefully we can replenish some of the hustle, toughness and grit we lost with Randle , Ihart ,and Ragu. Along with some rim protection I think that's all this team really needs to look like a contender.

[3toheadmelo]

Imagine being worse than harden as a rim protector

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[Jalen Bluntson]

Everyone was fine when we were 14-8. Now we are 15-10 and the sky is falling again. I am partly guilty as well but, Thibs is the actual problem here. That's my only concern with this team. The stubborn orc faced penguin looking motherfugger!

We just look soft and ininspired overall, and that's something that should never be the case fora Knicks team. But this is kind of a down season for the league in general. I find myself not really giving that much of a ****.

Celtics are dominant, but they are boring just kicking it out for three pointers all game. This is what the nba is now and its lame.

Anyway we still have a 3-4 year window so hopefully we can replenish some of the hustle, toughness and grit we lost with Randle , Ihart ,and Ragu. Along with some rim protection I think that's all this team really needs to look like a contender.

We lost the rim protection with Shart/Mitch being gone. We lost a little hustle/grit losing DDV but, we didn't have Randle for more half the season and he only played well for 14 games. KAT is not soft so, we didn't lose much their.

It's ALL about the HC and his need for the rim protector to succeed. He cannot adjust and win without it. That's the cause and solution to all of our problems. So is having everyone healthy. I'm not worried at all right now. Just annoyed.

[RHODEY]

Everyone was fine when we were 14-8. Now we are 15-10 and the sky is falling again. I am partly guilty as well but, Thibs is the actual problem here. That's my only concern with this team. The stubborn orc faced penguin looking motherfugger!

We just look soft and ininspired overall, and that's something that should never be the case fora Knicks team. But this is kind of a down season for the league in general. I find myself not really giving that much of a ****.

Celtics are dominant, but they are boring just kicking it out for three pointers all game. This is what the nba is now and its lame.

Anyway we still have a 3-4 year window so hopefully we can replenish some of the hustle, toughness and grit we lost with Randle , Ihart ,and Ragu. Along with some rim protection I think that's all this team really needs to look like a contender.

We lost the rim protection with Shart/Mitch being gone. We lost a little hustle/grit losing DDV but, we didn't have Randle for more half the season and he only played well for 14 games. KAT is not soft so, we didn't lose much their.

It's ALL about the HC and his need for the rim protector to succeed. He cannot adjust and win without it. That's the cause and solution to all of our problems. So is having everyone healthy. I'm not worried at all right now. Just annoyed.

This team is majorly lacking bench depth right now....so I will withhold judgment on Thibs (for now) based on that.

[Jalen Bluntson]

We just look soft and ininspired overall, and that's something that should never be the case fora Knicks team. But this is kind of a down season for the league in general. I find myself not really giving that much of a ****.

Celtics are dominant, but they are boring just kicking it out for three pointers all game. This is what the nba is now and its lame.

Anyway we still have a 3-4 year window so hopefully we can replenish some of the hustle, toughness and grit we lost with Randle , Ihart ,and Ragu. Along with some rim protection I think that's all this team really needs to look like a contender.

We lost the rim protection with Shart/Mitch being gone. We lost a little hustle/grit losing DDV but, we didn't have Randle for more half the season and he only played well for 14 games. KAT is not soft so, we didn't lose much their.

It's ALL about the HC and his need for the rim protector to succeed. He cannot adjust and win without it. That's the cause and solution to all of our problems. So is having everyone healthy. I'm not worried at all right now. Just annoyed.

This team is majorly lacking bench depth right now....so I will withhold judgment on Thibs (for now) based on that.

It's not just the bench though. Which is a problem with Thibs as well. There's no reason Pac doesn't play more. None at all even 10mpg would help the starters get more rest. It's the defense he runs that doesn't fit the CURRENT roster. The lack of offensive system is the other problem. It's not difficult to slow us down at all. Thibs gets out coached a lot.

However, I will wait like you and see what happens if/when we tighten up the depth issues. However that happens.

[RHODEY]

We lost the rim protection with Shart/Mitch being gone. We lost a little hustle/grit losing DDV but, we didn't have Randle for more half the season and he only played well for 14 games. KAT is not soft so, we didn't lose much their.

It's ALL about the HC and his need for the rim protector to succeed. He cannot adjust and win without it. That's the cause and solution to all of our problems. So is having everyone healthy. I'm not worried at all right now. Just annoyed.

This team is majorly lacking bench depth right now....so I will withhold judgment on Thibs (for now) based on that.

It's not just the bench though. Which is a problem with Thibs as well. There's no reason Pac doesn't play more. None at all even 10mpg would help the starters get more rest. It's the defense he runs that doesn't fit the CURRENT roster. The lack of offensive system is the other problem. It's not difficult to slow us down at all. Thibs gets out coached a lot.

However, I will wait like you and see what happens if/when we tighten up the depth issues. However that happens.

Yeah we have other issues. To me Pac looks very raw and we really dont have any margin for error for rook mistakes. Id rather see if Mccullar could fit the bill...too bad he's still hurt.

[Jalen Bluntson]

This team is majorly lacking bench depth right now....so I will withhold judgment on Thibs (for now) based on that.

It's not just the bench though. Which is a problem with Thibs as well. There's no reason Pac doesn't play more. None at all even 10mpg would help the starters get more rest. It's the defense he runs that doesn't fit the CURRENT roster. The lack of offensive system is the other problem. It's not difficult to slow us down at all. Thibs gets out coached a lot.

However, I will wait like you and see what happens if/when we tighten up the depth issues. However that happens.

Yeah we have other issues. To me Pac looks very raw and we really dont have any margin for error for rook mistakes. Id rather see if Mccullar could fit the bill...too bad he's still hurt.

Pac could still get a few minutes. He's never been a net negative at all when he has played. That's all we need for a few minutes so we aren't playing guys 40+ mpg. Even if it's 8 minutes a game. It's better than nothing. McCullar is a mystery right now. Eagerly await seeing him play.

[knicksNOTslick]

i’d be fine if we never made the mikal trade.. always thought he was overrated.. i was able to be talked in to it just for the nova reunion but we didn’t even get to see that

The deal really only made sense for the Nova reunion (if reuniting really made any sense other than it being a feel good story) because the deal was a massive overpay. Maybe 2-3 picks too many. Mikal will only be worth it if we win it all, and that involves him playing to his potential both on offense and defense. There's still time to salvage the season and we haven't seen the Knicks in full form so I'm giving the team til after the trade deadline to see.

[thebuzzardman]

i’d be fine if we never made the mikal trade.. always thought he was overrated.. i was able to be talked in to it just for the nova reunion but we didn’t even get to see that

The deal really only made sense for the Nova reunion (if reuniting really made any sense other than it being a feel good story) because the deal was a massive overpay. Maybe 2-3 picks too many. Mikal will only be worth it if we win it all, and that involves him playing to his potential both on offense and defense. There's still time to salvage the season and we haven't seen the Knicks in full form so I'm giving the team til after the trade deadline to see.

But we have. Mitch is only going to play 20 games. And only 20 mpg in those games. And he won't be game shape for 10 of them.

Can't wait.

[NowWHYcee7]

Even if Mitch comes back what's he going to do besides get hurt again? I hope they are in the midst of trading him.

[HEZI]

Imagine being worse than harden as a rim protector

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Damn that’s really terrible. Even if you aren’t a good defender or rim protector, as a big man you shouldn’t be that bad. He’s worse than 34 year old Nikola Vucevic who was never a rim protector himself but still at that age is doing better. I don’t think KAT will ever be a good rim protector but he has to be better than that

[3toheadmelo]

Imagine being worse than harden as a rim protector

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Damn that’s really terrible. Even if you aren’t a good defender or rim protector, as a big man you shouldn’t be that bad. He’s worse than 34 year old Nikola Vucevic who was never a rim protector himself but still at that age is doing better. I don’t think KAT will ever be a good rim protector but he has to be better than that

This is why Minny paid a high premium for Gobert. KAT is literally the worst rim protector center in the league. You're not winning a chip with him at the 5. Knicks have to make a trade for a good defensive C.

[spree2kawhi]

I’m not worried. Y’all need to calm down.

[Riot Randolph]

I’m not worried. Y’all need to calm down.

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