[Woj] Free agent C Isaiah Hartenstein has agreed on a three-year, $87 million deal with the Oklahoma City Thunder

[scrabbarista]

He must be the highest paid German athlete. And one of the least known.

I hate these kinds of arguments, but he's basically American. His mom is American. His dad is a black guy who played pro ball in Germany. I assume he's from Germany, but wouldn't be shocked if he's also from the US. Anyway, I met his mom and she's very clearly American.

[Chuck Everett]

He must be the highest paid German athlete. And one of the least known.

I hate these kinds of arguments, but he's basically American. His mom is American. His dad is a black guy who played pro ball in Germany. I assume he's from Germany, but wouldn't be shocked if he's also from the US. Anyway, I met his mom and she's very clearly American.

Dad played at the University of Oregon too (under Ernie Kent).

[Warriorfan]

Yes, but I don't want to and I'm not going to. I will say that your argument against Presti being great at his job is childish at best. No, he hasn't been the GM of a team that won a title. But he was a part of the Spurs who did. And I don't recall him playing many minutes on these teams that, in your esteemed opinion, underperformed. By your logic, Jerry Sloan, Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, and countless others don't deserve to be called great because they didn't win a title. It's foolish. Presti has shown over and over again that he's brilliant.

Work on reading comprehension quote is benefit of doubt in trade not great and statement of fact is no titles despite multiple concurrent MVP talent and HOF players.

Brilliant is your subjective opinion not grounded in logic. You seem to believe what you post is logical because it comes from yourself but you post little facts here as a counter.

That sentence hurts to read

Anyways, why little Chihuahua so quiet now? You no more bark about bad move intelligent stats facts ?

Missed more than half the season so far. If Chet was healthy we don't know what his stats would be.

People paid less have same production.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harteis01.html

[Warriorfan]

Do me a favor and Google 'facts' then Google 'logic'. Also, go away.

OKC not winning a championship is fact.
Brilliance is a subjective term.

Does it follow a system of logic that one is brilliant if they have not won a championship in a competitive sport

Is it logical to assume that a player from another system will fit or subjective conjecture.

Is it logical to pay more to a player who had performed less than others in some metrics.

https://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c

I have no dog in this fight but claiming someone isn’t great at their job as a GM because they haven’t won a title yet is a ridiculous thing to say.

Depends how you define great.
If you can't make a championship team with HOF MVP players and a 4th multi All Star you might never do better in team building a champion.

[doogie_hauser]

The crazy thing with Hartenstein is that people knew he was going under the radar for years. Many teams could've had him and had the chance to lock him up for a long time for a lot less than what the Thunder paid. He was showing what he could do back when he was with the Nuggets and Cavaliers. I don't know why it took so long for a team to give him a legit opportunity.

The Knicks definitely gave him a legit chance and opportunity, unfortunately for them, they didn't give him a long enough contract to retain his bird rights.


I suppose there was an element of risk for them when they signed him up with his injury history, but unfortunately he became too good a player with them last season, especially during the playoffs which means they were priced out of re-signing him.

It's understandable why they gave him a short term deal with him though given all of Mitchell Robinson's rotten injury bad luck

[tiderulz]

He must be the highest paid German athlete. And one of the least known.

Franz Wagner says hi

[cgf]

The crazy thing with Hartenstein is that people knew he was going under the radar for years. Many teams could've had him and had the chance to lock him up for a long time for a lot less than what the Thunder paid. He was showing what he could do back when he was with the Nuggets and Cavaliers. I don't know why it took so long for a team to give him a legit opportunity.

The Knicks definitely gave him a legit chance and opportunity, unfortunately for them, they didn't give him a long enough contract to retain his bird rights.


I suppose there was an element of risk for them when they signed him up with his injury history, but unfortunately he became too good a player with them last season, especially during the playoffs which means they were priced out of re-signing him.

It's understandable why they gave him a short term deal with him though given all of Mitchell Robinson's rotten injury bad luck

FWIW his early birds would've been enough to pay him an average starting center salary, which should have been enough to at least make a competitive offer...we just couldn't anticipate that OKC would make him the 8th highest paid Center in the NBA, and at that point had to pivot to Bitadze/Kessler/Towns.

PS I'm not sure our playoff run was a big factor in the contract OKC gave him, given that both Turner & Embiid really went off on iHart...whereas Mitch was able to lock Embiid up so much that he started trying to intentionally injure Robinson until he succeeded.

[cgf]

He must be the highest paid German athlete. And one of the least known.

Franz Wagner says hi

IIRC Kimmich makes around 20M euros after taxes, and the top tax bracket in Germany pays 45% + other taxes & social security contributions, so his pre-tax salary should be over 35M euros / 37M dollars.

Musiala and Wirtz don't yet make that much, but on their next contracts, they could both smash past that as both are already Ballon d'Or caliber...which is a level Kimmich never hit...and play further up the pitch in positions that are typically paid better.

[BernteB]

He must be the highest paid German athlete. And one of the least known.

Franz Wagner says hi

IIRC Kimmich makes around 20M euros after taxes, and the top tax bracket in Germany pays 45% + other taxes & social security contributions, so his pre-tax salary should be over 35M euros / 37M dollars.

Musiala and Wirtz don't yet make that much, but on their next contracts, they could both smash past that as both are already Ballon d'Or caliber...which is a level Kimmich never hit...and play further up the pitch in positions that are typically paid better.

kimmich's salaray of 20 mio (and all other salaries for that matter) is his gross salary. kane makes around 25 mio/year gross.

[DudetheObscure]

OKC would be dumb not to try to Chet/Hartenstein together for stretches, just to see if it works.

Daigneault already did in the preseason. The pairing looked really promising. Here's an example:

Read on Twitter

[cgf]

Franz Wagner says hi

IIRC Kimmich makes around 20M euros after taxes, and the top tax bracket in Germany pays 45% + other taxes & social security contributions, so his pre-tax salary should be over 35M euros / 37M dollars.

Musiala and Wirtz don't yet make that much, but on their next contracts, they could both smash past that as both are already Ballon d'Or caliber...which is a level Kimmich never hit...and play further up the pitch in positions that are typically paid better.

kimmich's salaray of 20 mio (and all other salaries for that matter) is his gross salary. kane makes around 25 mio/year gross.

Is that gross? I could've sworn that BILD & Kicker used pre-tax wages in their reporting. My bad if I misremembered that :-/

...and despite all of the work he's done to benefit the german nation, Kane isn't actually one of us :-p

[BernteB]

He must be the highest paid German athlete. And one of the least known.

I hate these kinds of arguments, but he's basically American. His mom is American. His dad is a black guy who played pro ball in Germany. I assume he's from Germany, but wouldn't be shocked if he's also from the US. Anyway, I met his mom and she's very clearly American.

he is as german as any other player from germany. his father was born in germany. his bloody first name is florian. "how german do you want a first namen to be?" parents calling their children florian: "YEEES!!!!"

just because someone has ancestors from other countries doesn't mean he's from that country. going by that logic, being a pure US citizen is a very seldom treat.

[Scalabrine]

Work on reading comprehension quote is benefit of doubt in trade not great and statement of fact is no titles despite multiple concurrent MVP talent and HOF players.

Brilliant is your subjective opinion not grounded in logic. You seem to believe what you post is logical because it comes from yourself but you post little facts here as a counter.

That sentence hurts to read

Anyways, why little Chihuahua so quiet now? You no more bark about bad move intelligent stats facts ?

Missed more than half the season so far. If Chet was healthy we don't know what his stats would be.

People paid less have same production.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harteis01.html

His impact transcends the stat sheet. He's a great rebounder, screen setting, passer, and teammate. He plays so hard and unselfish every minute he's on the floor. He also fills the one weakness that OKC had last year. I think he's overpaid by a few million but thats what it was going to take to get him off the Knicks where there were indications that he was willing to take less...just not THAT MUCH less.

What players do you compare him to?

[Bergmaniac]

He must be the highest paid German athlete. And one of the least known.

Franz Wagner says hi

Currently Hartenstein makes a lot more, Franz's big contract comes into effect from next season.

[Iwasawitness]

OKC not winning a championship is fact.
Brilliance is a subjective term.

Does it follow a system of logic that one is brilliant if they have not won a championship in a competitive sport

Is it logical to assume that a player from another system will fit or subjective conjecture.

Is it logical to pay more to a player who had performed less than others in some metrics.

https://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c

I have no dog in this fight but claiming someone isn’t great at their job as a GM because they haven’t won a title yet is a ridiculous thing to say.

Depends how you define great.
If you can't make a championship team with HOF MVP players and a 4th multi All Star you might never do better in team building a champion.

Well so far we aren’t at that point where we can say that he couldn’t do it… so it’s pointless to speculate. Regardless, this is still a poor argument.

[ShootersShoot]

People really cant give a gm credit for building a 57 win title contender with a core of guys 26 yrs old or under just because they havent won a title..just pure stupidity.

[Moose]

The crazy thing with Hartenstein is that people knew he was going under the radar for years. Many teams could've had him and had the chance to lock him up for a long time for a lot less than what the Thunder paid. He was showing what he could do back when he was with the Nuggets and Cavaliers. I don't know why it took so long for a team to give him a legit opportunity.

The Knicks definitely gave him a legit chance and opportunity, unfortunately for them, they didn't give him a long enough contract to retain his bird rights.


I suppose there was an element of risk for them when they signed him up with his injury history, but unfortunately he became too good a player with them last season, especially during the playoffs which means they were priced out of re-signing him.

It's understandable why they gave him a short term deal with him though given all of Mitchell Robinson's rotten injury bad luck

iHart and in particular, his agent, likely went into that free agency with a plan and understanding of the market and the CBA. Maybe they didn't want 3+ years for XYZ reasons.

Or the Knicks didn't want to be tied to an uncertain asset with the new CBA, or both things can be true.

It's unfortunate for the Knicks because with iHart, they would be a real threat to come out of the East.

He would pair well with Towns.

[nbaguy1]

He must be the highest paid German athlete. And one of the least known.

I hate these kinds of arguments, but he's basically American. His mom is American. His dad is a black guy who played pro ball in Germany. I assume he's from Germany, but wouldn't be shocked if he's also from the US. Anyway, I met his mom and she's very clearly American.

he is as german as any other player from germany. his father was born in germany. his bloody first name is florian. "how german do you want a first namen to be?" parents calling their children florian: "YEEES!!!!"

just because someone has ancestors from other countries doesn't mean he's from that country. going by that logic, being a pure US citizen is a very seldom treat.

You obviously dont know what you talking about. In the hood FlowRyan is a very common name

[FollowTheSound]

He must be the highest paid German athlete. And one of the least known.

I hate these kinds of arguments, but he's basically American. His mom is American. His dad is a black guy who played pro ball in Germany. I assume he's from Germany, but wouldn't be shocked if he's also from the US. Anyway, I met his mom and she's very clearly American.

His dad is half german half african american I believe and Hartenstein grew up in Germany

[Wigginstime]

The crazy thing with Hartenstein is that people knew he was going under the radar for years. Many teams could've had him and had the chance to lock him up for a long time for a lot less than what the Thunder paid. He was showing what he could do back when he was with the Nuggets and Cavaliers. I don't know why it took so long for a team to give him a legit opportunity.

I really like him on the Nuggets but i feel like he became another casualty of "Denver is +20 with Jokic on the floor and -20 with Jokic off therefore their backup c is awful".