PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics]

[Special_Puppy]

is pass rtg like per?

Its not quite as bad, but there are superior publicly available alternatives

[ShaqAttac]

is pass rtg like per?

Its not quite as bad, but there are superior publicly available alternatives

they got any impact stuff?

like how u know if lamar or josh carrying more

[Special_Puppy]

is pass rtg like per?

Its not quite as bad, but there are superior publicly available alternatives

they got any impact stuff?

like how u know if lamar or josh carrying more

There really aren't any traditional impact metrics in the NFL. There are stats that try to approximate plus-minus though https://www.unexpectedpoints.com/p/reintroducing-nfl-plusminus-a-superior

[ShaqAttac]

Its not quite as bad, but there are superior publicly available alternatives

they got any impact stuff?

like how u know if lamar or josh carrying more

There really aren't any traditional impact metrics in the NFL. There are stats that try to approximate plus-minus though https://www.unexpectedpoints.com/p/reintroducing-nfl-plusminus-a-superior

so tyreek hill the best WR? idg what they mean by adding a player into another player

[Special_Puppy]

they got any impact stuff?

like how u know if lamar or josh carrying more

There really aren't any traditional impact metrics in the NFL. There are stats that try to approximate plus-minus though https://www.unexpectedpoints.com/p/reintroducing-nfl-plusminus-a-superior

so tyreek hill the best WR? idg what they mean by adding a player into another player

Tyreek Hill was the most valuable offensive player in 2022+2023 (excluding QBs) yeah.

[1993Playoffs]

Not trying to start anything but I just gotta speak my mind.

I noticed white players always get the optimistic outlook from people on these sites and black players is always the pessimistic outlook.

It’s so frustrating but I’ve been noticed it.

[Dr Positivity]

Not trying to start anything but I just gotta speak my mind.

I noticed white players always get the optimistic outlook from people on these sites and black players is always the pessimistic outlook.

It’s so frustrating but I’ve been noticed it.

The same board that just voted 1986 Hakeem as better than Bird?

[OhayoKD]

Not trying to start anything but I just gotta speak my mind.

I noticed white players always get the optimistic outlook from people on these sites and black players is always the pessimistic outlook.

It’s so frustrating but I’ve been noticed it.

The same board that just voted 1986 Hakeem as better than Bird?

He's talking about football, not the pc board

[Special_Puppy]

Not trying to start anything but I just gotta speak my mind.

I noticed white players always get the optimistic outlook from people on these sites and black players is always the pessimistic outlook.

It’s so frustrating but I’ve been noticed it.

Can you give an example?

[jalengreen]

The way players & fans perceive Lamar & Allen makes me continue to think that yeah, on average people are going to be biased in favor of their own race. Maybe cynical way of thinking, but also aligns with what we know about humans. I don't think it's limited to a single direction, but when you get unrepresentative communities (and I suspect that many online sports communities are not racially diverse), it's something to be weary of.

[Dr Positivity]

I'm not on the everything is racist train, but NFL is probably closest. eg. if Tomlin looked like Cowher I think he is treated like more of a legend.

[Special_Puppy]

I'm not on the everything is racist train, but NFL is probably closest. eg. if Tomlin looked like Cowher I think he is treated like more of a legend.

There only being 6 Black Coaches in the NFL even while 50%+ of the players are black is “interesting” disparity to say the least

[jalengreen]

The Mahomes/Lamar/Allen/Burrow QB war within the same conference has been the most exciting about the NFL for years now

Lamar & Allen playing the best ball of their lives, arguably all-time peaks, and set to clash makes this probably the most anticipated Divisional round game since… well, the Mahomes & Allen matchups I guess. Getting to watch these guys go at it in the playoffs every year is just a treat, and I think the competition has a Federer/Nadal/Djokovic effect of pushing the athletes to get better and better. It doesn’t feel like a “oh, Mahomes clearly QB1. nobody close” environment anymore.

And man if the Chiefs manage to do it again … people talk about Jordan preventing his contemporaries from winning anything, but this would be next level. Like if LeBron/Steph/Durant shared a conference and the latter two could never make it to the damn Finals.

(I probably made this sound like football isn’t a team sport - but obviously these QBs have different support around them which is part of what makes the debate fierce.)

[OhayoKD]

...

Is there anyway you'd be okay with me contacting you?

[Wallace_Wallace]

Not trying to start anything but I just gotta speak my mind.

I noticed white players always get the optimistic outlook from people on these sites and black players is always the pessimistic outlook.

It’s so frustrating but I’ve been noticed it.

The same board that just voted 1986 Hakeem as better than Bird?

He's talking about football, not the pc board

I don't think it's racial, but perhaps something like this?

Josh Allen received 38 roughing the passing penalty
Patrick Mahomes received 31

Josh Allen played 122 games (frequency 0.311/game)
Patrick Mahomes played 131 (0.237/game)

https://www.nflpenalties.com/roughing-the-passer-by-qb.php?view=active

Josh Allen on a per game received more roughing the pass penalties than Mahomes and WAY more than someone like comparable to his playstyle in Cam Newton. However, most football fans don't even know that and they are seeing Allen as the only hope to stop the Chiefs and the flopping Mahomes.

*Another note, Jared Goff received 39 total roughing the passing penalties in 144 games (0.271) & Kirk Cousins received 43 in 169 games (0.254). Funny enough, his backup QB, Carson Wentz, received 30 in 97 games almost matching the absurd rate (0.309/game) by Josh Allen.

YouTube Josh Allen roughing the passer; there are plenty of videos of Allen flopping as well.

[jalengreen]

Some aspects of the Mahomes vs Brady debate are awfully "LeBron vs MJ"-coded. Not a perfect analogy (most obviously due to the fact that Brady is the longevity outlier himself) but the discourse over whether it's better to lose earlier in the playoffs than in the Finals reminded me of it. Also conference opponent strength vs Finals opponent strength. Mahomes will have to do a lot to make the debate relevant, but it has the potential to join Messi/CR7, MJ/LeBron in the pantheon of annoying GOAT debates. Maybe worse than MJ/LeBron due to how much of a team sport it is lol

[OhayoKD]

Some aspects of the Mahomes vs Brady debate are awfully "LeBron vs MJ"-coded. Not a perfect analogy (most obviously due to the fact that Brady is the longevity outlier himself) but the discourse over whether it's better to lose earlier in the playoffs than in the Finals reminded me of it. Also conference opponent strength vs Finals opponent strength. Mahomes will have to do a lot to make the debate relevant, but it has the potential to join Messi/CR7, MJ/LeBron in the pantheon of annoying GOAT debates. Maybe worse than MJ/LeBron due to how much of a team sport it is lol

Mahomes fans acting like Mahomes goodness is synonymous with how good the Chiefs are so they could pretend every win was Mahomes thoroughly outplaying the opposing QB and he was way better than everyone else in relative down-years was pretty short-sighted.

[AEnigma]

Some aspects of the Mahomes vs Brady debate are awfully "LeBron vs MJ"-coded. Not a perfect analogy (most obviously due to the fact that Brady is the longevity outlier himself) … it has the potential to join Messi/CR7, MJ/LeBron in the pantheon of annoying GOAT debates. Maybe worse than MJ/LeBron due to how much of a team sport it is lol

Eh, from what I have seen, Mahomes has been accepted by the public as a top contender in a way we did not see with Lebron until at least 2016. The narrative seemed to be that winning this one would have catapulted him right alongside or perhaps even already ahead of Brady. I was glad to see him experience a little adversity to silence that preemptive crowning, but if he keeps the Chiefs as a regular contender, far fewer will stubbornly reject his candidacy the way we saw with Lebron.

[jalengreen]

Some aspects of the Mahomes vs Brady debate are awfully "LeBron vs MJ"-coded. Not a perfect analogy (most obviously due to the fact that Brady is the longevity outlier himself) but the discourse over whether it's better to lose earlier in the playoffs than in the Finals reminded me of it. Also conference opponent strength vs Finals opponent strength. Mahomes will have to do a lot to make the debate relevant, but it has the potential to join Messi/CR7, MJ/LeBron in the pantheon of annoying GOAT debates. Maybe worse than MJ/LeBron due to how much of a team sport it is lol

Mahomes fans acting like Mahomes goodness is synonymous with how good the Chiefs are so they could pretend every win was Mahomes thoroughly outplaying the opposing QB and he was way better than everyone else in relative down-years was pretty short-sighted.

I've seen far more of the opposite this season tbh.

[Special_Puppy]

Some aspects of the Mahomes vs Brady debate are awfully "LeBron vs MJ"-coded. Not a perfect analogy (most obviously due to the fact that Brady is the longevity outlier himself) but the discourse over whether it's better to lose earlier in the playoffs than in the Finals reminded me of it. Also conference opponent strength vs Finals opponent strength. Mahomes will have to do a lot to make the debate relevant, but it has the potential to join Messi/CR7, MJ/LeBron in the pantheon of annoying GOAT debates. Maybe worse than MJ/LeBron due to how much of a team sport it is lol

Mahomes fans acting like Mahomes goodness is synonymous with how good the Chiefs are so they could pretend every win was Mahomes thoroughly outplaying the opposing QB and he was way better than everyone else in relative down-years was pretty short-sighted.

I've seen far more of the opposite this season tbh.

Yeah there’s a reason why he wasn’t given any serious consideration for MVP despite his team going 15-1. Generally the thinking was that Mahomes wasn’t trying and was saving his energy for the playoff, but then Mahomes was a mixed bag in the this playoffs. Not really worth freaking out about a season where he was merely the ~8th best QB in the league, but if it continues that’s kinda concerning in regards to his QB1 case let alone his GOAT argument