PG (Nets): Can't close games but we are ethical

[johanliebert]

Then you know that good coaching is about maximizing the talent of your roster, Nick and Doc showed that ability right away. Usually it is either you have it or you don't.
Darko had OG, Barnes, Pascal and Yak..and got us at 12-19 on his way to his current 32-78 (yes including a lot of injuries now and tanking the last 20 games of last season).
This is not the G-League, anybody that says that he was just hired to develop players is lying to her/himself with Bobby going so aggressively after Lillard.

More than anyone else he needs the players back from injuries to demonstrate if there is any good head coaching ability in him. He has shown NONE so far. Zero!

Players are not going to take an unproven coach seriously if that coach accumulates over 100 losses in only 2 seasons.

1. I think one could argue that Darko is maximizing the talent on the roster this season considering how competitive we have been in virtually every game despite the injury problems you acknowledge we have faced. The team has been short-handed and is playing mostly young guys and castoffs and we have been in almost every game.

2. Both Nurse and Doc won with a ridiculous bevy of talent. Nurse had one of the most stacked rosters of all time. Doc had three hall of famers including the guy who was the best shooter of all time back then and probably the most versatile defender of all time and a super clutch iso scorer. Back to Nurse, he had Lowry, Danny Green, Kawhi, Siakam, Gasol, Ibaka, FVV, Powell, and OG in his nine man rotation. That’s five sure fire hall of famers, six all stars, a DPOY, two potential DPOYs, a guy who might/should win DPOY (who didn’t even play in the playoffs), and a sixth man candidate. And they all could shoot and play defence. Absolutely loaded team. Nurse’s offence was give it to Kawhi or run some version of pnr. He didn’t even coach offence with that squad. All that to say, Nurse and Doc didn’t have to do much to maximize all that talent. Those teams were hungry veterans who were ready to win.

3. OG, Barnes, Pascal, and Yak aren’t as good of a team as you think. Where’s the spacing?

4. Raptors have one of the hardest, if not the hardest playing team in the league. And they execute the schemes they’re given. That’s not a roster of guys who don’t take their coach seriously.

I know you think Darko is a horrible coach, and maybe he is, but you have to draw upon better arguments to support that idea. But what you’re bringing to the table right now doesn’t stack up.

What’s more likely is that Darko is a middle of the pack coach who is good at developing guys and getting them to execute and play hard. What seems to be an issue thus far is late game tactics. He’s similar to Casey in that regard and I don’t think we’d call Casey a horrible coach, but a good one with limitations. Let’s remember, Casey also sucked when he started out in Minnesota but he grew. Darko has shown signs of growth this year. Hopefully when we’re able to field a competitive roster he’ll be able to experience more high stakes situations that can force even more growth.

What are you even talking about?! "better argument to stack up" when we are freaking 1-12 on the road like we are some kind of an expansion team(0-13 had Zion or Ingram played, we lost by 38 last year down there with those 2 under the same horrible headcoach) ..The man inherited 2 All-Stars and a DPOY type that has changed the Knicks and lead them to 12-19

further more about your point#3: Your first thought goes to offense, mine goes to defense: We would have been the best defensive team in the league with Udoka! A juggernaut with all that length and mobility. and for your offense, you have 2xall-Stars, 2x20pts scorers both unselfish passers with a 3&D in OG and a master rim finisher in Yak...A good Coach would have maximized that.

And this season, all the talk about defense in the preseason and currently rated 24 out of 30, last year 26: The year prior under Nurse 11 while Udoka turned the Rockets from 29 to 10 to 2 with 3 players barely breaking 22 in their starting 5

The rockets defence has nothing to do with their personnel? Lol

[earthtone]

Look aT the brooklyn nets roster. Just look at it and how competitive they are. You cannot give a coach a pass on everything you need to objectively look at what how he is performing

Who cares?

This year Masai is not judging Darko on wins and losses. It's about if guys are getting better. And not just 1-2 guys...across the board.

How many people are worse this year vs who are better? Hell Gradey 3rd in his draft class in PPG, Ochai a top corner 3 shooter. Guys who SHOULD be getting Gleague reps are getting NBA reps due to all the injuries and all have had nights looking very good. They still need work, but none are "obvious" getting caved every time they touch the court. Hell, Battle was the top 3% rookie entering last game.

Get used to losing this year because we are not going after wins over development. And the development has been great.

Improvement should also be reflected on the record, no?

Is Dick really meeting the expectation? To me, he is only meeting his rookie expectation last year, while this year, there are still a lot of question mark on his defense and ball creation. Last game showed his creation is still limited admit his improvement on ball handling, as his finishing is not that good and not able to create separation.

Agbaji is really the only one, and Battle is meeting his expectation with low potential due to his lack of athleticism. Who else have been improved where other teams see value in them?

You expected Gradey to be averaging 18ppg in his rookie season?

[Indeed]

Who cares?

This year Masai is not judging Darko on wins and losses. It's about if guys are getting better. And not just 1-2 guys...across the board.

How many people are worse this year vs who are better? Hell Gradey 3rd in his draft class in PPG, Ochai a top corner 3 shooter. Guys who SHOULD be getting Gleague reps are getting NBA reps due to all the injuries and all have had nights looking very good. They still need work, but none are "obvious" getting caved every time they touch the court. Hell, Battle was the top 3% rookie entering last game.

Get used to losing this year because we are not going after wins over development. And the development has been great.

Improvement should also be reflected on the record, no?

Is Dick really meeting the expectation? To me, he is only meeting his rookie expectation last year, while this year, there are still a lot of question mark on his defense and ball creation. Last game showed his creation is still limited admit his improvement on ball handling, as his finishing is not that good and not able to create separation.

Agbaji is really the only one, and Battle is meeting his expectation with low potential due to his lack of athleticism. Who else have been improved where other teams see value in them?

You expected Gradey to be averaging 18ppg in his rookie season?

PER 12.9
Fran Wagner has the same advance stats on his rookie season in TS% and PER.

[ash_k]

1. I think one could argue that Darko is maximizing the talent on the roster this season considering how competitive we have been in virtually every game despite the injury problems you acknowledge we have faced. The team has been short-handed and is playing mostly young guys and castoffs and we have been in almost every game.

2. Both Nurse and Doc won with a ridiculous bevy of talent. Nurse had one of the most stacked rosters of all time. Doc had three hall of famers including the guy who was the best shooter of all time back then and probably the most versatile defender of all time and a super clutch iso scorer. Back to Nurse, he had Lowry, Danny Green, Kawhi, Siakam, Gasol, Ibaka, FVV, Powell, and OG in his nine man rotation. That’s five sure fire hall of famers, six all stars, a DPOY, two potential DPOYs, a guy who might/should win DPOY (who didn’t even play in the playoffs), and a sixth man candidate. And they all could shoot and play defence. Absolutely loaded team. Nurse’s offence was give it to Kawhi or run some version of pnr. He didn’t even coach offence with that squad. All that to say, Nurse and Doc didn’t have to do much to maximize all that talent. Those teams were hungry veterans who were ready to win.

3. OG, Barnes, Pascal, and Yak aren’t as good of a team as you think. Where’s the spacing?

4. Raptors have one of the hardest, if not the hardest playing team in the league. And they execute the schemes they’re given. That’s not a roster of guys who don’t take their coach seriously.

I know you think Darko is a horrible coach, and maybe he is, but you have to draw upon better arguments to support that idea. But what you’re bringing to the table right now doesn’t stack up.

What’s more likely is that Darko is a middle of the pack coach who is good at developing guys and getting them to execute and play hard. What seems to be an issue thus far is late game tactics. He’s similar to Casey in that regard and I don’t think we’d call Casey a horrible coach, but a good one with limitations. Let’s remember, Casey also sucked when he started out in Minnesota but he grew. Darko has shown signs of growth this year. Hopefully when we’re able to field a competitive roster he’ll be able to experience more high stakes situations that can force even more growth.

What are you even talking about?! "better argument to stack up" when we are freaking 1-12 on the road like we are some kind of an expansion team(0-13 had Zion or Ingram played, we lost by 38 last year down there with those 2 under the same horrible headcoach) ..The man inherited 2 All-Stars and a DPOY type that has changed the Knicks and lead them to 12-19

further more about your point#3: Your first thought goes to offense, mine goes to defense: We would have been the best defensive team in the league with Udoka! A juggernaut with all that length and mobility. and for your offense, you have 2xall-Stars, 2x20pts scorers both unselfish passers with a 3&D in OG and a master rim finisher in Yak...A good Coach would have maximized that.

And this season, all the talk about defense in the preseason and currently rated 24 out of 30, last year 26: The year prior under Nurse 11 while Udoka turned the Rockets from 29 to 10 to 2 with 3 players barely breaking 22 in their starting 5

The rockets defence has nothing to do with their personnel? Lol

personnel? You mean like when he had OG, Barnes, Siakam, Yak ?!

[Tripod]

Look aT the brooklyn nets roster. Just look at it and how competitive they are. You cannot give a coach a pass on everything you need to objectively look at what how he is performing

Who cares?

This year Masai is not judging Darko on wins and losses. It's about if guys are getting better. And not just 1-2 guys...across the board.

How many people are worse this year vs who are better? Hell Gradey 3rd in his draft class in PPG, Ochai a top corner 3 shooter. Guys who SHOULD be getting Gleague reps are getting NBA reps due to all the injuries and all have had nights looking very good. They still need work, but none are "obvious" getting caved every time they touch the court. Hell, Battle was the top 3% rookie entering last game.

Get used to losing this year because we are not going after wins over development. And the development has been great.

Improvement should also be reflected on the record, no?

Is Dick really meeting the expectation? To me, he is only meeting his rookie expectation last year, while this year, there are still a lot of question mark on his defense and ball creation. Last game showed his creation is still limited admit his improvement on ball handling, as his finishing is not that good and not able to create separation.

Agbaji is really the only one, and Battle is meeting his expectation with low potential due to his lack of athleticism. Who else have been improved where other teams see value in them?

No development should not be reflected in the record due to how many injuries they have had.

We are running out Mogbo, Walter, Shead and Battle on a nightly basis....at times as starters...when most expected they would get garbage time as well as lots of gleague minutes.

Barnes, IQ, RJ, Ochai, Yak
Mitchell. Gradey, Brown, KO, Boucher

Most expected that to be most of our rotation guys with the rest getting Ltd minutes. So to have all the newly drafted guys and undrafted Battle not only play, but sometimes START...AND look like they belong, has been huge for development.

Gradey....3rd in PPG from his draft behind only pics #1, and #2....and THIS is what you EXPECTED from rookie Dick? That's either a lie, trolling, or just idiotic expectations. You choose.

Battle is meeting expectations? So it was EXPECTED an undrafted rookie would play almost every game this year AND shoot over 43% from 3 AND be 17th in PPG? Come on.

Yak has been better. Barnes better. Ochai better. RJ better. Gradey better. Rookies...all shown multiple games, they can be rotation guys.

Only Mitchell, Boucher, and Bruno have been the same. Brown, KO and IQ hurt so no conclusions on them.

But go on believing only Ochai is better and point to wins.

[720]

We’ve had a lot of 3 day gaps between games lately. Not a fan.

[Indeed]

Who cares?

This year Masai is not judging Darko on wins and losses. It's about if guys are getting better. And not just 1-2 guys...across the board.

How many people are worse this year vs who are better? Hell Gradey 3rd in his draft class in PPG, Ochai a top corner 3 shooter. Guys who SHOULD be getting Gleague reps are getting NBA reps due to all the injuries and all have had nights looking very good. They still need work, but none are "obvious" getting caved every time they touch the court. Hell, Battle was the top 3% rookie entering last game.

Get used to losing this year because we are not going after wins over development. And the development has been great.

Improvement should also be reflected on the record, no?

Is Dick really meeting the expectation? To me, he is only meeting his rookie expectation last year, while this year, there are still a lot of question mark on his defense and ball creation. Last game showed his creation is still limited admit his improvement on ball handling, as his finishing is not that good and not able to create separation.

Agbaji is really the only one, and Battle is meeting his expectation with low potential due to his lack of athleticism. Who else have been improved where other teams see value in them?

No development should not be reflected in the record due to how many injuries they have had.

We are running out Mogbo, Walter, Shead and Battle on a nightly basis....at times as starters...when most expected they would get garbage time as well as lots of gleague minutes.

Barnes, IQ, RJ, Ochai, Yak
Mitchell. Gradey, Brown, KO, Boucher

Most expected that to be most of our rotation guys with the rest getting Ltd minutes. So to have all the newly drafted guys and undrafted Battle not only play, but sometimes START...AND look like they belong, has been huge for development.

Gradey....3rd in PPG from his draft behind only pics #1, and #2....and THIS is what you EXPECTED from rookie Dick? That's either a lie, trolling, or just idiotic expectations. You choose.

Battle is meeting expectations? So it was EXPECTED an undrafted rookie would play almost every game this year AND shoot over 43% from 3 AND be 17th in PPG? Come on.

Yak has been better. Barnes better. Ochai better. RJ better. Gradey better. Rookies...all shown multiple games, they can be rotation guys.

Only Mitchell, Boucher, and Bruno have been the same. Brown, KO and IQ hurt so no conclusions on them.

But go on believing only Ochai is better and point to wins.

Sounds like our expectation would be similar to Detroit, except we wont have cap for experience player next year

By the way, using ppg to evaluate player is pretty inaccurate. Dick in his TS and PER arent anything to be proud of as I pointed out, particularly on a bottom tier team. Would he be getting the same ppg with Quickley healthy? No

[sbsat]

Who cares?

This year Masai is not judging Darko on wins and losses. It's about if guys are getting better. And not just 1-2 guys...across the board.

How many people are worse this year vs who are better? Hell Gradey 3rd in his draft class in PPG, Ochai a top corner 3 shooter. Guys who SHOULD be getting Gleague reps are getting NBA reps due to all the injuries and all have had nights looking very good. They still need work, but none are "obvious" getting caved every time they touch the court. Hell, Battle was the top 3% rookie entering last game.

Get used to losing this year because we are not going after wins over development. And the development has been great.

Improvement should also be reflected on the record, no?

Is Dick really meeting the expectation? To me, he is only meeting his rookie expectation last year, while this year, there are still a lot of question mark on his defense and ball creation. Last game showed his creation is still limited admit his improvement on ball handling, as his finishing is not that good and not able to create separation.

Agbaji is really the only one, and Battle is meeting his expectation with low potential due to his lack of athleticism. Who else have been improved where other teams see value in them?

No development should not be reflected in the record due to how many injuries they have had.

We are running out Mogbo, Walter, Shead and Battle on a nightly basis....at times as starters...when most expected they would get garbage time as well as lots of gleague minutes.

Barnes, IQ, RJ, Ochai, Yak
Mitchell. Gradey, Brown, KO, Boucher

Most expected that to be most of our rotation guys with the rest getting Ltd minutes. So to have all the newly drafted guys and undrafted Battle not only play, but sometimes START...AND look like they belong, has been huge for development.

Gradey....3rd in PPG from his draft behind only pics #1, and #2....and THIS is what you EXPECTED from rookie Dick? That's either a lie, trolling, or just idiotic expectations. You choose.

Battle is meeting expectations? So it was EXPECTED an undrafted rookie would play almost every game this year AND shoot over 43% from 3 AND be 17th in PPG? Come on.

Yak has been better. Barnes better. Ochai better. RJ better. Gradey better. Rookies...all shown multiple games, they can be rotation guys.

Only Mitchell, Boucher, and Bruno have been the same. Brown, KO and IQ hurt so no conclusions on them.

But go on believing only Ochai is better and point to wins.

Utah just beat the nets. Utah.

But hey im actually more than anyone else hoping we get a healthy roster just to ahow you deako IS NOT AN NBA COACH. Its very clear. And as the season goes on and the team continues to lose, you will see that the early good vibes of the season will be loooonnnggg gone

[Indeed]

Improvement should also be reflected on the record, no?

Is Dick really meeting the expectation? To me, he is only meeting his rookie expectation last year, while this year, there are still a lot of question mark on his defense and ball creation. Last game showed his creation is still limited admit his improvement on ball handling, as his finishing is not that good and not able to create separation.

Agbaji is really the only one, and Battle is meeting his expectation with low potential due to his lack of athleticism. Who else have been improved where other teams see value in them?

No development should not be reflected in the record due to how many injuries they have had.

We are running out Mogbo, Walter, Shead and Battle on a nightly basis....at times as starters...when most expected they would get garbage time as well as lots of gleague minutes.

Barnes, IQ, RJ, Ochai, Yak
Mitchell. Gradey, Brown, KO, Boucher

Most expected that to be most of our rotation guys with the rest getting Ltd minutes. So to have all the newly drafted guys and undrafted Battle not only play, but sometimes START...AND look like they belong, has been huge for development.

Gradey....3rd in PPG from his draft behind only pics #1, and #2....and THIS is what you EXPECTED from rookie Dick? That's either a lie, trolling, or just idiotic expectations. You choose.

Battle is meeting expectations? So it was EXPECTED an undrafted rookie would play almost every game this year AND shoot over 43% from 3 AND be 17th in PPG? Come on.

Yak has been better. Barnes better. Ochai better. RJ better. Gradey better. Rookies...all shown multiple games, they can be rotation guys.

Only Mitchell, Boucher, and Bruno have been the same. Brown, KO and IQ hurt so no conclusions on them.

But go on believing only Ochai is better and point to wins.

Utah just beat the nets. Utah.

But hey im actually more than anyone else hoping we get a healthy roster just to ahow you deako IS NOT AN NBA COACH. Its very clear. And as the season goes on and the team continues to lose, you will see that the early good vibes of the season will be loooonnnggg gone

When are we going to admit the problem are the players, particularly, the one who should carry?
Darko has his problem, Nurse has his problem, and who isn't? And who is next?
Siakam was in the way, now Barrett is in the way, who else to blame?