Ex-Knicks, Sh**posts, and Old Trades - OH MY!

[JayTWill]

I don't support blaming players for taking the money they can get. It's a business, and workers shouldn't be expected to take less money than they are offered. Any moralistic stance on it is BS in my view.

That's why I also hate how some (very few) fans blamed OG for signing a big contract.

The people who should be held accountable are the FOs who manage the books and build the rosters.

Phil Jackson is the one who did us dirty with the NTC. He could have had the foresight to let him go if the NTC was such a deal-breaker for Melo. Giving him that power was a stupid executive decision. But Melo had every right to exercise it once given.

Main one that gets me is Hartenstein. People think he should have taken a 50% annual pay cut to stay here. I’m sure he liked playing here but nobody should reasonably expected to walk away from that kind of money. Plus his new team is also good so it’s not like he took the money from some losing organization just to get paid and not compete

Agreed. Can't hate him for that

My gut says our FO decided his health was going to be fragile going forward so they were OK with it even if they were limited by salary rules on what they could offer. If they felt that way the reasoning could have been there was already enough health drama around Mitch, no reason to have more of that. With iHart out of the line-up in OKC I've wondered if our medical staff knew something OKC did not

I know he was dealing with Achilles soreness throughout his time with the Knicks that Thibs pushed to the limit in January after Mitch went down but he played all 82 in year 1 with the Knicks and 75 of 82 in year 2. He had a completely unrelated non-displaced fracture to his hand that did not require surgery in the preseason but has since returned and looks comfortable playing 30+ minutes a game right now which seems pretty good for a 7 footer.

It's just hard for me to imagine they wouldn't want to bring iHart back if they could have offered him more money. He seems to be thriving in OKC and I definitely wish we still had him. I would have just simply moved Mitch for whatever I could get if I didn't want the health drama of both Mitch and iHart.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Main one that gets me is Hartenstein. People think he should have taken a 50% annual pay cut to stay here. I’m sure he liked playing here but nobody should reasonably expected to walk away from that kind of money. Plus his new team is also good so it’s not like he took the money from some losing organization just to get paid and not compete

Agreed. Can't hate him for that

My gut says our FO decided his health was going to be fragile going forward so they were OK with it even if they were limited by salary rules on what they could offer. If they felt that way the reasoning could have been there was already enough health drama around Mitch, no reason to have more of that. With iHart out of the line-up in OKC I've wondered if our medical staff knew something OKC did not

I know he was dealing with Achilles soreness throughout his time with the Knicks that Thibs pushed to the limit in January after Mitch went down but he played all 82 in year 1 with the Knicks and 75 of 82 in year 2. He had a completely unrelated non-displaced fracture to his hand that did not require surgery in the preseason but has since returned and looks comfortable playing 30+ minutes a game right now which seems pretty good for a 7 footer.

It's just hard for me to imagine they wouldn't want to bring iHart back if they could have offered him more money. He seems to be thriving in OKC and I definitely wish we still had him. I would have just simply moved Mitch for whatever I could get if I didn't want the health drama of both Mitch and iHart.

He was dealing with an Achilles issue when we got him.

They wanted him to return. Plain and simple. They offered him the max allowed but, OKC doubled it and he took the money and ran. I can hate him for it all I want but, that's just being petty. Which I'm ok with! It was all about a winning team making him an offer he couldn't refuse. Fuq him and fuq them. We have them coming up soon and I want that victory too!!

[nedleeds]

[Jalen Bluntson]

The Knicks have now had SEVEN players from the 2015 draft play for them:
KAT - 1st pick
KP - 4th pick
Mario Hezonja - 5th pick
Emmanuel Mudiay - 8th pick
Cam Payne - 14th pick
Bobby Portis - 22nd pick
Willy Hernangomez - 35th pick

We really looked at one of the worst drafts in the new century and said, lets have 20+% of these guys play for us in the next decade

yet we saved the best for last

You talkin bout cam?

Four of them aren't even bad players though. We had some of the best players in that draft.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Same actions as 3tothehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3tothehead really pulled a tkf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hate to say it but 3tothehead was a Fraud Folksssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really hate to see it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I tried to warn him pivoting to towns was the play but he decided to follow sham to hell. Sad state of affairs

melo's addiction to pettiness is easy to understand. And as many have made clear, it is not missed.

Sham should be here, but something weird happened with him last playoffs. He was chitposting our team and showing zero enthusiasm for our successes. As the Philly series was about to start he was doom posting about the team like he wanted us to lose. It was surprising to me, because he used to enjoy the team when we did well even when he was maintaining his sour persona.

Then with the KAT and Mikal trades he was so negative this season that he clearly was not enjoying himself at all. He was so unconvincing I wondered why he was being so negative.

Maybe he resented the addiction the board had become for him as it has at various times for many of us and slamming the team became his way of weaning himself off his posting habit.

Sometimes it is necessary to take a sabbatical and get away for a while so maybe he'll be back.

Sham will be back as soon as Mitch comes back. It coincides with his release date from Rikers.

[Clyde_Style]

Main one that gets me is Hartenstein. People think he should have taken a 50% annual pay cut to stay here. I’m sure he liked playing here but nobody should reasonably expected to walk away from that kind of money. Plus his new team is also good so it’s not like he took the money from some losing organization just to get paid and not compete

Agreed. Can't hate him for that

My gut says our FO decided his health was going to be fragile going forward so they were OK with it even if they were limited by salary rules on what they could offer. If they felt that way the reasoning could have been there was already enough health drama around Mitch, no reason to have more of that. With iHart out of the line-up in OKC I've wondered if our medical staff knew something OKC did not

I know he was dealing with Achilles soreness throughout his time with the Knicks that Thibs pushed to the limit in January after Mitch went down but he played all 82 in year 1 with the Knicks and 75 of 82 in year 2. He had a completely unrelated non-displaced fracture to his hand that did not require surgery in the preseason but has since returned and looks comfortable playing 30+ minutes a game right now which seems pretty good for a 7 footer.

It's just hard for me to imagine they wouldn't want to bring iHart back if they could have offered him more money. He seems to be thriving in OKC and I definitely wish we still had him. I would have just simply moved Mitch for whatever I could get if I didn't want the health drama of both Mitch and iHart.

Oh, no doubt, I wish he came back this season. He added a dimension we lack now. Not sure how he'd play with KAT or would he just back him up.

[Clyde_Style]

I tried to warn him pivoting to towns was the play but he decided to follow sham to hell. Sad state of affairs

melo's addiction to pettiness is easy to understand. And as many have made clear, it is not missed.

Sham should be here, but something weird happened with him last playoffs. He was chitposting our team and showing zero enthusiasm for our successes. As the Philly series was about to start he was doom posting about the team like he wanted us to lose. It was surprising to me, because he used to enjoy the team when we did well even when he was maintaining his sour persona.

Then with the KAT and Mikal trades he was so negative this season that he clearly was not enjoying himself at all. He was so unconvincing I wondered why he was being so negative.

Maybe he resented the addiction the board had become for him as it has at various times for many of us and slamming the team became his way of weaning himself off his posting habit.

Sometimes it is necessary to take a sabbatical and get away for a while so maybe he'll be back.

Sham will be back as soon as Mitch comes back. It coincides with his release date from Rikers.

If they didn't revoke his RealGM lurking privileges he could be reading all of this now

[Dubious Handles]

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[Dubious Handles]

**** that and **** him.

He was a paid mercenary.

He got his gold in blood, he gets no praise for that.

Selfish sniveling pouting lunatic.

Randle is who those who hate on Melo think he is.

the difference between Julius and Melo was that Melo had an offensive bag and scored at a higher clip, but they were both selfish

Melo had WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY less help than Randle did. Can you **** imagine what prime Melo would have done at PF with even the 22-23 roster? Holy crap we'd be unstoppable.

Melo was underappreciated throughout his nba tenure, especially by NY fans. At the time, the team was a joke and the FA highly dysfunctional. Amare was a limited one way player who purely relied on athleticism, a ticking timebomb. The fit with Melo was also atrocious. Fans loved him at the time because he was the first big name to join and the team won a couple of consecutive games in the regular season...

No matter if Melo shared the ball more, opted for surgery, waited until free agency to sign with the team, cheered louder for Lin etc. and even if Amare gets amnestied later instead of Billups, the FA was just too incompetent and the Heat and LeBron specifically were too good. It wouldnt have mattered imo. He came because of his love for NY and the Knicks, and it was doomed before it even started.

[Clyde_Style]

the difference between Julius and Melo was that Melo had an offensive bag and scored at a higher clip, but they were both selfish

Melo had WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY less help than Randle did. Can you **** imagine what prime Melo would have done at PF with even the 22-23 roster? Holy crap we'd be unstoppable.

Melo was underappreciated throughout his nba tenure, especially by NY fans. At the time, the team was a joke and the FA highly dysfunctional. Amare was a limited one way player who purely relied on athleticism, a ticking timebomb. The fit with Melo was also atrocious. Fans loved him at the time because he was the first big name to join and the team won a couple of consecutive games in the regular season...

No matter if Melo shared the ball more, opted for surgery, waited until free agency to sign with the team, cheered louder for Lin etc. and even if Amare gets amnestied later instead of Billups, the FA was just too incompetent and the Heat and LeBron specifically were too good. It wouldnt have mattered imo. He came because of his love for NY and the Knicks, and it was doomed before it even started.

We've all experienced firsthand that everything depends on having a competent management team.

Melo's strengths and weaknesses aside, you are right it was never going to work out for Melo in NY with the FO's we had.

[BKlutch]

MAN, I MISS DONTE

He misses you just as much! He's homesick.

[BKlutch]

Anyone have regrets about trading Walt Bellamy and Butch Komives for Dave Debusschere?

What about Mike Riordan and Dave Stallworth for Earl the Pearl?

Cazzie Russell for Jerry Lucas?

GREAT trades!!!

[BKlutch]

Ok. Now this thread is taking off.

Nope, this thread is still missing a certain element that it was created for and I blame the mods for their premature warnings that may have possibly prevented the thread from seeing its full potential. This is the fight thread. WHERE ARE THE FIGHTS!!!!!

Constant bickering across the board for years just to come here and see everyone agreeing that they are glad Randle is gone?????
I'm disappointed.

I’ll tell you exactly what it’s missing

Spoiler:

NYKMentality

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=34002584#p34002584
#16 » by NYK-Mentality » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:52 am

Simply amazing what he's done since taking over the Knicks head coaching position. Look at our home record under this man, it's been nothing short of outstanding. There are so many area's in which Woodson is perfect for the job here in New York, but these players play smart basketball under coach Woodson. If the season were to end today, we'd set an all-time NBA record for fewest offensive turnovers per game. Jason Kidd has alot to do with that, but it's more than just Kidd himself in regards to our ability to protect the ball as a team; we're protecting it as an actual team. We're playing tough, hard, smart, defending, confident on offense, killing the battle of the turnovers etc, etc. Couldn't ask for a more complete head coach moving forward. I was a D'Antoni supporter, I guess I was scared of change because boy was I wrong. These players respond under Woodson.

[robillionaire]

Nope, this thread is still missing a certain element that it was created for and I blame the mods for their premature warnings that may have possibly prevented the thread from seeing its full potential. This is the fight thread. WHERE ARE THE FIGHTS!!!!!

Constant bickering across the board for years just to come here and see everyone agreeing that they are glad Randle is gone?????
I'm disappointed.

I’ll tell you exactly what it’s missing

Spoiler:

NYKMentality

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=34002584#p34002584
#16 » by NYK-Mentality » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:52 am

Simply amazing what he's done since taking over the Knicks head coaching position. Look at our home record under this man, it's been nothing short of outstanding. There are so many area's in which Woodson is perfect for the job here in New York, but these players play smart basketball under coach Woodson. If the season were to end today, we'd set an all-time NBA record for fewest offensive turnovers per game. Jason Kidd has alot to do with that, but it's more than just Kidd himself in regards to our ability to protect the ball as a team; we're protecting it as an actual team. We're playing tough, hard, smart, defending, confident on offense, killing the battle of the turnovers etc, etc. Couldn't ask for a more complete head coach moving forward. I was a D'Antoni supporter, I guess I was scared of change because boy was I wrong. These players respond under Woodson.

Me: “You know, I don’t really think everyone on this team is a future superstar. We probably won’t have an 8 peat championship run”

NYKM:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

[RHODEY]

Watch on YouTube

[BKlutch]

I’ll tell you exactly what it’s missing

Spoiler:

NYKMentality

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=34002584#p34002584
#16 » by NYK-Mentality » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:52 am

Simply amazing what he's done since taking over the Knicks head coaching position. Look at our home record under this man, it's been nothing short of outstanding. There are so many area's in which Woodson is perfect for the job here in New York, but these players play smart basketball under coach Woodson. If the season were to end today, we'd set an all-time NBA record for fewest offensive turnovers per game. Jason Kidd has alot to do with that, but it's more than just Kidd himself in regards to our ability to protect the ball as a team; we're protecting it as an actual team. We're playing tough, hard, smart, defending, confident on offense, killing the battle of the turnovers etc, etc. Couldn't ask for a more complete head coach moving forward. I was a D'Antoni supporter, I guess I was scared of change because boy was I wrong. These players respond under Woodson.

Me: “You know, I don’t really think everyone on this team is a future superstar. We probably won’t have an 8 peat championship run”

NYKM:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

I heard even Julius now calls him "NYK Mental"

[G_K_F]

KAT is playing great but his regular season stats aren't far off from his career numbers and similar great seasons he's put up before other than 3 point % and rebounding.

The reason people like me doubt Towns is his playoff performances (most recently his abysmal WCF showing against the Mavs) and his general health. Towns also doesn't protect the rim and generally likes to avoid contact and play on the perimeter instead of using his skillset to do both effectively. Although this year I've seen him play more aggressively inside so we'll see.

The general point is - Towns is playing amazing. He's done it before. We recognize his regular season excellence. People weren't fans of the trade because - much like Randle - he was not a postseason performer. The jury is still out on that regard. If we want to be contenders we need Towns to produce way better than his career 18 ppg, 10 rpg, 46% FG, 33% 3FG in 32 games. Once he does that then I will gladly have Karl-Anthony take a piss directly on my face.

[Capn'O]

KAT is playing great but his regular season stats aren't far off from his career numbers and similar great seasons he's put up before other than 3 point % and rebounding.

The reason people like me doubt Towns is his playoff performances (most recently his abysmal WCF showing against the Mavs) and his general health. Towns also doesn't protect the rim and generally likes to avoid contact and play on the perimeter instead of using his skillset to do both effectively. Although this year I've seen him play more aggressively inside so we'll see.

The general point is - Towns is playing amazing. He's done it before. We recognize his regular season excellence. People weren't fans of the trade because - much like Randle - he was not a postseason performer. The jury is still out on that regard. If we want to be contenders we need Towns to produce way better than his career 18 ppg, 10 rpg, 46% FG, 33% 3FG in 32 games. Once he does that then I will gladly have Karl-Anthony take a piss directly on my face.

I don't think that's really fair at least in terms of these past playoffs. He had good series against Phoenix and defending champ Denver. He struggled against Dallas. Randle has yet to record a single positive playoff series. With Towns you can really chalk that up to matchup difficulties rather than getting psyched out by the playoffs. The Mavs forced him to play the perimeter and switch a bunch and that plays into his weaknesses. But his defense and %s were very good against the other two teams, Wolves were just playing through Ant because Ant was dominating everyone.

With Towns, it's more a matter that there are certain matchups and offensive/defensive styles that can exploit him. Which we've seen this year as well. He outplayed both Embiid and Jokic but got picked apart by Utah and Dallas (again). Sure, it's a weird thing to say that he has a harder time with PJ Washington than he does with Jokic but... he has a harder time with PJ Washington than he does against Jokic.

[Clyde_Style]

Anyone have regrets about trading Walt Bellamy and Butch Komives for Dave Debusschere?

What about Mike Riordan and Dave Stallworth for Earl the Pearl?

Cazzie Russell for Jerry Lucas?

GREAT trades!!!

I do miss Cazzie Russell. He'd be a great 6th man today.

[G_K_F]

KAT is playing great but his regular season stats aren't far off from his career numbers and similar great seasons he's put up before other than 3 point % and rebounding.

The reason people like me doubt Towns is his playoff performances (most recently his abysmal WCF showing against the Mavs) and his general health. Towns also doesn't protect the rim and generally likes to avoid contact and play on the perimeter instead of using his skillset to do both effectively. Although this year I've seen him play more aggressively inside so we'll see.

The general point is - Towns is playing amazing. He's done it before. We recognize his regular season excellence. People weren't fans of the trade because - much like Randle - he was not a postseason performer. The jury is still out on that regard. If we want to be contenders we need Towns to produce way better than his career 18 ppg, 10 rpg, 46% FG, 33% 3FG in 32 games. Once he does that then I will gladly have Karl-Anthony take a piss directly on my face.

I don't think that's really fair at least in terms of these past playoffs. He had good series against Phoenix and defending champ Denver. He struggled against Dallas. Randle has yet to record a single positive playoff series. With Towns you can really chalk that up to matchup difficulties rather than getting psyched out by the playoffs. The Mavs forced him to play the perimeter and switch a bunch and that plays into his weaknesses. But his defense and %s were very good against the other two teams, Wolves were just playing through Ant because Ant was dominating everyone.

With Towns, it's more a matter that there are certain matchups and offensive/defensive styles that can exploit him. Which we've seen this year as well. He outplayed both Embiid and Jokic but got picked apart by Utah and Dallas (again). Sure, it's a weird thing to say that he has a harder time with PJ Washington than he does with Jokic but... he has a harder time with PJ Washington than he does against Jokic.

I understand but the bottom line is if he’s a great player as we know he is then he’ll adjust and play better. If we want to win a title we can’t have Towns get shut down by the likes of PJ Washington in the playoffs. He’ll have to step up and play better in those situations. He’s getting paid $60 million. He has to figure that out.