Top 100 Players According to HNI - Average of BPM, VORP, EPM, Est Wins, LEBRON, GmScPM and Total GmSc

benhillboy · Post #21 » by **benhillboy** » Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:41 pm

I’m not mad at the list. As a proud nerd I appreciate the data compilation. My first thoughts were DeAron Fox is way too high, Ja and Bane too low. Those knocking Jay Huff likely haven’t watched him.

It’s crazy Luka can play with minimal effort with pedestrian numbers by his standards and the metrics still fall in love with the way he paces the game. He uses Gafford and Lively to genius effect on both ends to prop himself up lol.

@OP, where do the game score metrics come from? BBRef?

Whopper_Sr · Post #22 » by **Whopper_Sr** » Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:05 pm

According to this list, the biggest disparity between #1 and #2 of each team:
1. Nuggets - 71 spots (Jokic-MPJ)
1. Hornets - 71 spots (Ball-Miller)
3. Pistons - 56 spots (Cade-Beasley)
4. Bulls - 54 spots (Vucevic-LaVine)
5. Nets - 48 spots (Cam Johnson-Schroder)
6. Spurs - 40 spots (Wemby-CP3)
6. Warriors - 40 spots (Curry-Wiggins)
8. Magic - 38 spots (Franz-Mo)
9. Rockets - 34 spots (Sengun-Eason)
10. Lakers - 32 spots (Davis-James)
11. Raptors - 31 spots (Barnes-Barrett)
12. Kings - 25 spots (Sabonis-Fox)
13. 76ers - 24 spots (Maxey-George)
14. Clippers - 23 spots (Harden-Powell)
14. Blazers - 23 spots (Simons-Clingan)
16. Bucks - 21 spots (Giannis-Dame)
16. Wolves - 21 spots (Ant-Randle)
18. Pelicans - 19 spots (Ingram-Murphy)
19. Grizzlies - 17 spots (JJJ-Morant)
19. Pacers - 17 spots (Haliburton-Siakam)
21. Celtics - 16 spots (Tatum-White)
21. Mavs - 16 spots (Luka-Kyrie)
23. Heat - 11 spots (Butler-Herro)
23. Suns - 11 spots (Booker-Durant)
25. Thunder - 10 spots (SGA-JWill)
26. Hawks - 8 spots (Jalen Johnson-Trae)
27. Wizards - 6 spots (JV-Poole)
28. Knicks - 5 spots (KAT-Brunson)
29. Cavs - 3 spots (Mobley-Mitchell)
30. Jazz - 2 spots (Kessler-Collins)

MPJ and LaVine tied at #72 is hilarious.

Post #23 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:14 pm

This is how a non-nerd would perceive nerd work..

Let's add them all together :clown:

ForeverTFC · Post #24 » by **ForeverTFC** » Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:30 pm

Sharkboy242 wrote:Jokic is the GOAT. I can hear the haters seething

No player has been loved as much as Jokic by RealGM in my 20+ years here.

Marvin Martian · Post #25 » by **Marvin Martian** » Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:54 pm

Cam Johnson being above KD and Lebron :lol:

basketballRob · Post #26 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Dec 23, 2024 11:21 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:Cam Johnson being above KD and Lebron

Players get old, and their teams aren't good.

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Pelly24 · Post #27 » by **Pelly24** » Mon Dec 23, 2024 11:26 pm

Over a whole season, year in and year out, aside from like Bigs and people in completely perfect situations, this is a very accurate list.

Hitman88 · Post #28 » by **Hitman88** » Tue Dec 24, 2024 1:10 am

benhillboy wrote:I’m not mad at the list. As a proud nerd I appreciate the data compilation. My first thoughts were DeAron Fox is way too high, Ja and Bane too low. Those knocking Jay Huff likely haven’t watched him.

It’s crazy Luka can play with minimal effort with pedestrian numbers by his standards and the metrics still fall in love with the way he paces the game. He uses Gafford and Lively to genius effect on both ends to prop himself up lol.

@OP, where do the game score metrics come from? BBRef?

Andy Bailey compiled the list

NBA4Lyfe · Post #29 » by **NBA4Lyfe** » Tue Dec 24, 2024 1:19 am

love using all-in-one metrics like this, because it really exposes how bad the nike usa agenda is

harden is top 15 in this list which matches the eye test

meanwhile durant/ja morant and lebron are all right were they should be ranked lol

Jabroni Lames · Post #30 » by **Jabroni Lames** » Tue Dec 24, 2024 1:56 am

Would love to see these adjusted for salary to compare value vs rank.

Sharkboy242 · Post #31 » by **Sharkboy242** » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:07 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
Sharkboy242 wrote:Jokic is the GOAT. I can hear the haters seething

No player has been loved as much as Jokic by RealGM in my 20+ years here.

The GOAT effect...

cpower · Post #32 » by **cpower** » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:15 am

add BPM, VORP is wild........

Peregrine01 · Post #33 » by **Peregrine01** » Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:59 am

hauntedcomputer wrote:Pritchard ahead of Ball and Edwards, Aldama ahead of Lebron, Amen ahead of Trae LOL

A guy can in a limited role can provide higher impact than a guy playing in a much larger role. Just because a guy puts up much larger box score numbers doesn't mean that he's contributing to winning more than a guy who isn't.

hauntedcomputer · Post #34 » by **hauntedcomputer** » Tue Dec 24, 2024 12:49 pm

og15 wrote:
hauntedcomputer wrote:Pritchard ahead of Ball and Edwards, Aldama ahead of Lebron, Amen ahead of Trae LOL

A role player having more "impact" in his role than star players or higher volume guys in their role is not even a concept that's new to advanced stats. Advanced stats might have a number to quantify it, but it's stuff that people already would say in the past.

I agree but the entire point of these lists is to LOL or else you're doing it wrong.

JN61 · Post #35 » by **JN61** » Tue Dec 24, 2024 8:13 pm

Stat named after the king of stat padding has always been hilarious to me.

zero rings · Post #36 » by **zero rings** » Tue Dec 24, 2024 8:22 pm

Deivork wrote:Jaylen Brown at 65

He’s a volume scorer and with no playmaking and ok defense. Sounds about right.

Jaqua92 · Post #37 » by **Jaqua92** » Tue Dec 24, 2024 8:24 pm

Brown at 65, Wagner at 6, and SGA at 2nd essentially invalides all of this.

All three are absurd.

neno · Post #38 » by **neno** » Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:44 pm

Luke Kornet(91) top 100 player
Seems Jaylen brown has major competition for teams 5th best player

DCasey91 · Post #39 » by **DCasey91** » Wed Dec 25, 2024 12:11 am

Deivork wrote:Jaylen Brown at 65

Because Brown has low key been arse this year.

Tatum, White, Pritch and Holi have been flat better, Celtics are cruising though

iggymcfrack · Post #40 » by **iggymcfrack** » Wed Dec 25, 2024 3:17 am

Honestly, the thing that’s the most surprising about those results is how good they are. For just averaging a bunch of different stats, they somehow came up with a better list than most of the published lists out there. There is a question of what exactly you’re measuring combining rate stats with cumulative stats, but if it’s an MVP list that goes all the way down, it’s really not bad.