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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#341 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:52 pm

mpharris36 wrote:shout out to Leon for grabbing Mikal. He got the ideal 3rd banana for this roster.

Also he got someone that can handle Thibs crazy minutes...He's averaging like 40 mins per game in the month of Dec...and he's thriving.

Never looks tired.


Everyone talks about the picks, but we didn’t give up any rotation players (Deuce) and his salary was a perfect match. Really was a perfect trade.
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#342 » by K_ick_God » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:52 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
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stuporman wrote:The Wembyganda machine is going to be insufferable for the next decade because the league needs him to be the new chosen one

he is going to be good but not sure if landmark good. like mj,kobe,lebron.


If he stays healthy he'll be landmark good.

Jokic and Wemby will be the face of the league together, then Wemby alone, unless someone else emerges. That's the way the NBA will market it. They are looking towards that euroleague deal.


He doesn’t even need to bulk up really: unless they change the reffing.
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#343 » by stuporman » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:54 pm

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yup should have been OG on Wemby and KAT on Sochan.

Thibs was forced into this move because of KAT foul trouble so that was a blessing by disguise I guess. But thibs gotta make that move way sooner. Or even to start the game like you said.


The late switch may have worked better than giving him all game to adjust to it so was rattled in crunch time by the change. We don't know if the switch late what was planned or not, some people are just assuming it wasn't because they don't know anything other than their own thoughts on it.


It would be an interesting strategy to let Wemby go off to the point he nearly won them the game for thibs to just change things up late to give him a new look that finally worked.

Wemby shoots, sochan doesn't.


This is just me speculating but it may have been that Thibs thought allowing Wemby to go off and not get beat by anyone else was the way to handle the first 40plus mins. Then to turn off Wemby's water with a relatively rested and foul free OG the last 6 mins of the game. Again, just me guessing.
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#344 » by mpharris36 » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:55 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:shout out to Leon for grabbing Mikal. He got the ideal 3rd banana for this roster.

Also he got someone that can handle Thibs crazy minutes...He's averaging like 40 mins per game in the month of Dec...and he's thriving.

Never looks tired.


Everyone talks about the picks, but we didn’t give up any rotation players (Deuce) and his salary was a perfect match. Really was a perfect trade.


yup and 40% of the picks are conveying this year and they will be in the 20's.

It's really only 2 picks that we have to worry about.

The 2029 and 2031...

the 2025, 2027, and MIL pick won't amount to much outside a late first rounder. And like you said it didn't cost us any rotation player. So it helped us make the 2 for 1 KAT trade also because we added Mikal without losing anyone...ripple effect.
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#345 » by Iron Mantis » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:56 pm

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This is really the only way to guard him currently. In the future he'll be strong enough get closer to the basket but for now wings limit him from putting the ball on the floor, they have more closeout speed than bigs and they stop the PnR because you can switch OG onto CP3.

KAT picking up his 5th foul worked in our favor because Thibs was never going to go with that matchup on his own.

Exactly.

Furthermore, OG is in the convo for best wing defender in the league...and we pay him 40+ mil to handle the league's toughest defensive assignments and occasionally score...that's his role, and he's elite in this regard. He's a monster on defense.

So.... If we're scared to let OG play defense until the final few minutes (only cuz KAT gets 5 fouls) and we're about to lose......you have to wonder what are we really doing here? :lol:
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#346 » by stuporman » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:01 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Mikal up to 4 pick value.

Going to need to see that 50 point game for 5 pick value


Isn't that 5th pick the owed MIL one that will probably convey this year in the 20s?

Will you settle for a game winner at the buzzer to beat someone like the Celtics or Cavs or does it have to be a 50 burger?
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#347 » by mpharris36 » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:02 am

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This is really the only way to guard him currently. In the future he'll be strong enough get closer to the basket but for now wings limit him from putting the ball on the floor, they have more closeout speed than bigs and they stop the PnR because you can switch OG onto CP3.

KAT picking up his 5th foul worked in our favor because Thibs was never going to go with that matchup on his own.

Exactly.

Furthermore, OG is in the convo for best wing defender in the league...and we pay him 40+ mil to handle the league's toughest defensive assignments and occasionally score...that's his role, and he's elite in this regard. He's a monster on defense.

So.... If we're scared to let OG play defense until the final few minutes (only cuz KAT gets 5 fouls) and we're about to lose......you have to wonder what are we really doing here? :lol:


Honestly thats just a cross matchup that thibs typically doesn't do. With a non-shooter in the game a lot like Sochan KAT should have been on him and OG on Wemby a lot.

I could see that being an issue say with BOS and KP...because if KAT isn't guarding KP he would likely have to guard Holiday or White which isn't a good matchup either so he would probably have to run vs KP and that P&R which we should do more switching against and live with Tatum taking contested semi contested shots over KAT.

Similar...OG should be on Myles Turner when we play Indy and KAT should be on Siakam because turner pick and pops and Siakam really doesn't take a lot of above the break 3's.

But that isn't a cross matchup that thibs usually does.
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#348 » by Context » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:03 am

mpharris36 wrote:
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mpharris36 wrote:shout out to Leon for grabbing Mikal. He got the ideal 3rd banana for this roster.

Also he got someone that can handle Thibs crazy minutes...He's averaging like 40 mins per game in the month of Dec...and he's thriving.

Never looks tired.


Everyone talks about the picks, but we didn’t give up any rotation players (Deuce) and his salary was a perfect match. Really was a perfect trade.


yup and 40% of the picks are conveying this year and they will be in the 20's.

It's really only 2 picks that we have to worry about.

The 2029 and 2031...

the 2025, 2027, and MIL pick won't amount to much outside a late first rounder. And like you said it didn't cost us any rotation player. So it helped us make the 2 for 1 KAT trade also because we added Mikal without losing anyone...ripple effect.

We will win a Chip IMO before 2029 so I'm good with that :D
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#349 » by mpharris36 » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:06 am

Context wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
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Everyone talks about the picks, but we didn’t give up any rotation players (Deuce) and his salary was a perfect match. Really was a perfect trade.


yup and 40% of the picks are conveying this year and they will be in the 20's.

It's really only 2 picks that we have to worry about.

The 2029 and 2031...

the 2025, 2027, and MIL pick won't amount to much outside a late first rounder. And like you said it didn't cost us any rotation player. So it helped us make the 2 for 1 KAT trade also because we added Mikal without losing anyone...ripple effect.

We will win a Chip IMO before 2029 so I'm good with that :D


I have high hopes as well. A lot of good fortune comes with being the last one standing and the FO can't predict that...but in theory they put us in a legit championship window for the next 5ish years which is all you can ask for.
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

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Post#351 » by Iron Mantis » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:09 am

mpharris36 wrote:
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This is really the only way to guard him currently. In the future he'll be strong enough get closer to the basket but for now wings limit him from putting the ball on the floor, they have more closeout speed than bigs and they stop the PnR because you can switch OG onto CP3.

KAT picking up his 5th foul worked in our favor because Thibs was never going to go with that matchup on his own.

Exactly.

Furthermore, OG is in the convo for best wing defender in the league...and we pay him 40+ mil to handle the league's toughest defensive assignments and occasionally score...that's his role, and he's elite in this regard. He's a monster on defense.

So.... If we're scared to let OG play defense until the final few minutes (only cuz KAT gets 5 fouls) and we're about to lose......you have to wonder what are we really doing here? :lol:


Honestly thats just a cross matchup that thibs typically doesn't do. With a non-shooter in the game a lot like Sochan KAT should have been on him and OG on Wemby a lot.

I could see that being an issue say with BOS and KP...because if KAT isn't guarding KP he would likely have to guard Holiday or White which isn't a good matchup either so he would probably have to run vs KP and that P&R which we should do more switching against and live with Tatum taking contested semi contested shots over KAT.

Similar...OG should be on Myles Turner when we play Indy and KAT should be on Siakam because turner pick and pops and Siakam really doesn't take a lot of above the break 3's.

But that isn't a cross matchup that thibs usually does.

Yes, exactly.

Not sure what starting lineup Boston is running these days. I think its:

KP
Hortford
Tatum
Brown
Jrue


If so, OG should be guarding KP, and KAT on Hortford. Thibs probably won't defend them that way though.
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#352 » by DaGawd » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:09 am

we’re about to make up more ground on the celdicks
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Post#353 » by Iron Mantis » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:11 am

DaGawd wrote:we’re about to make up more ground on the celdicks

Hate Philly but they're doing the lord's work if they can close out this game against Boston.

We are coming for that #2 seed. 8-)
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#354 » by K_ick_God » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:11 am

Deuce did not shoot it well — but was on the court when we took the game
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Post#355 » by stuporman » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:16 am

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We used to be frustrated trying to find our players on that list. Now, we have 2!


2? no...3! :o
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Re: PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!! 

Post#356 » by WaltFrazier » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:29 am

I've been missing the offensive rebounds/loose ball/ second chances we were so great at last year. But at the end of the game Hart Precious and OG came through with the extra possessions
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Post#357 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:35 am

Achiuwa (+14) and OG (+13) had the highest +/- on the team. Bridges was next at +8.
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Post#359 » by stuporman » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:41 am

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This is really the only way to guard him currently. In the future he'll be strong enough get closer to the basket but for now wings limit him from putting the ball on the floor, they have more closeout speed than bigs and they stop the PnR because you can switch OG onto CP3.

KAT picking up his 5th foul worked in our favor because Thibs was never going to go with that matchup on his own.


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Post#360 » by stuporman » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:59 am

Thibs with the brilliant gameplan by not wearing out their elite defender and risking foul trouble in asking him to guard the alien for the whole game. They were not letting other role players beat them for the first 40mins to then disrupt the only player who had it going for the final 6mins in keeping him scoreless and the Knicks to win the game.

Wemby never saw it coming and was shook by the masterclass in coaching... :rofl:
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