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Re: Best NAW offers 

Post#21 » by jayjaysee » Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:12 pm

shrink wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Would a Denver/Minn deal work? Similar to Philly, Denver has the room under the apron to do a two for one and backfill the roster spot and maybe they take the chance on keeping him or learn from their mistake of losing KCP (and Brown) and are willing to jump the apron for 1-2 years or so?

Use Holmes or Watson or Stawther? Seems like you could build something.

For the record, there were several rumors leading up to the draft that Tim Connelly really liked Holmes, and those rumors were strong enough that DEN traded up to get him before MIN’s pick. There could be some realism in this kind of trade. Personally, I think Connelly has shown his scouting background by identifying nba talent later in the draft, but I’m not a fan of how much he overcommits to those views. I would not be in favor of that deal, especially after the injury, but it wouldn’t shock me if it happened.


Yeah, and I understand the other side of not wanting to trade the potential missing piece to Joker..

But the pieces seem right if Minn wants to get younger/cheaper, and despite the optimism by fans Denver could be in a position to take a small value loss on a trade right now.
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Re: Best NAW offers 

Post#22 » by shrink » Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:13 pm

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Godaddycurse wrote:
His comp is closer to KCP imo. I think 15M is def within reach for him


If he’s as good as KCP was a few years ago, then you don’t trade him. Cut costs else where to keep him, including DDV..

I don’t think he’s at that level personally, but if he is - a playoff run with him is worth more than he’ll likely return.

Let me see if I can simplify MIN’s issue.

- NAW is a great defender, good catch-and-shoot-three point shooter, good passer and that makes him valuable.

- DDV is a good defender, good passer, but great motion three point shooter, and that makes him valuable for the offense Finch has always wanted.

- Ant is a great downhill scorer, good defender, great three point shooter. He’s pretty valuable too.

The problem is .. SG is the primary position for all three. When Chris Finch tries to find more minutes for NAW or DDV as back up, playmaking PGs, it diminishes their games. Still, all three are starter-worthy, and it’s why when Ant starts, the bench unit of NAW, DDV and 6MOY Naz Reid are killing opposing bench units.
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Post#23 » by redslastlaugh » Sun Dec 29, 2024 12:18 am

For the Celtics I’d be interested if we could get him for a 2026 Boston 1st (unprotected) plus Jaden Springer on the salary match.

People may say that two 2nd aprons can’t trade with each other because neither can take back more than they send out, but as hypothetical value is Springer expiring + a Celtics first considered fair value? An alternative theoretical offer would be Baylor Scheierman plus a 1st, if Scheierman still is considered positive value as a rookie first rounder who hasn’t yet had a chance to play muc.
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Re: Best NAW offers 

Post#24 » by jayjaysee » Sun Dec 29, 2024 12:25 am

redslastlaugh wrote:Celtics I’d be interested if they could get him for a 2026 Boston 1st (unprotected) plus Jaden Springer on the salary match.


Due to restrictions, it would have to be Payton. Boston can’t take on more than they send out.

And Minnesota can’t take Payton since he makes more than NAW. So a third team for DDV or Payton.

I like the idea, but think once the deal gets drawn out - both teams probably move on?
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Re: Best NAW offers 

Post#25 » by Skybox » Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:40 am

jayjaysee wrote:
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jayjaysee wrote:A summer after Naji, DJJ, Caleb Martin, Okoro, etc couldn’t get the MLE - I wouldn’t bank on him getting paid 15-20.



His comp is closer to KCP imo. I think 15M is def within reach for him


If he’s as good as KCP was a few years ago, then you don’t trade him. Cut costs else where to keep him, including DDV..

I don’t think he’s at that level personally, but if he is - a playoff run with him is worth more than he’ll likely return.



We'll send you the original KCP and a 25 frp (worst of ORL or DEN)for NAW & DDV
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Re: Best NAW offers 

Post#26 » by zimpy27 » Sun Dec 29, 2024 2:01 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Knecht is an overpay for a guy you have half a year of control over. The issue with NAW trades is Minny wants help now or value they can flip for value. But he simply can't hold as much in trade value as he holds in on court value for them now. So they are better off holding him rather than dealing him for a 2nd or two.


It might be. NAW would help Lakers be able to move DLo for a wing or C because Lakers guard spot would be solved really.

PG: Reaves (36) | NAW (12)
SG: NAW (20) | Christie (28)

I can see the fit and need. Maybe it happens altogether in a trade for DFS or something.


Minny have DET25FRP and SRP or 2 to give with NAW
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Re: Best NAW offers 

Post#27 » by Godaddycurse » Sun Dec 29, 2024 2:04 am

Skybox wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
His comp is closer to KCP imo. I think 15M is def within reach for him


If he’s as good as KCP was a few years ago, then you don’t trade him. Cut costs else where to keep him, including DDV..

I don’t think he’s at that level personally, but if he is - a playoff run with him is worth more than he’ll likely return.



We'll send you the original KCP and a 25 frp (worst of ORL or DEN)for NAW & DDV


Too bad that trade is not legal nor is it enough value for minny
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Re: Best NAW offers 

Post#28 » by shrink » Sun Dec 29, 2024 2:07 am

Skybox wrote:We'll send you the original KCP and a 25 frp (worst of ORL or DEN)for NAW & DDV

I’m kind of curious how you rank those four assets when you make a trade like that?
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Post#29 » by Skybox » Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:43 am

shrink wrote:
Skybox wrote:We'll send you the original KCP and a 25 frp (worst of ORL or DEN)for NAW & DDV

I’m kind of curious how you rank those four assets when you make a trade like that?


1. KCP
2. DDV
3. NAW
4. DEN 25 frp

But, not large gaps for any
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Re: Best NAW offers 

Post#30 » by winforlose » Sun Dec 29, 2024 3:13 pm

Skybox wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
His comp is closer to KCP imo. I think 15M is def within reach for him


If he’s as good as KCP was a few years ago, then you don’t trade him. Cut costs else where to keep him, including DDV..

I don’t think he’s at that level personally, but if he is - a playoff run with him is worth more than he’ll likely return.



We'll send you the original KCP and a 25 frp (worst of ORL or DEN)for NAW & DDV


KCP wouldn’t be happy coming off the bench. I know we won’t bench Ant, KCP cannot play PG, and Jaden is as good a defender while offering a ton of length and size. I think KCP would be miserable here the same way that DDV is. KCP proved in Denver that deserves to start, just like DDV proved in NYK that he deserves to start, but this a team that will NEVER have room at starting SG because that is Ant’s best position. Ant played SF in 21/22 and wanted to be back at SG. Ant has consistently stated he doesn’t want to be a PG. That ties our hands.
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Re: Best NAW offers 

Post#31 » by Godaddycurse » Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:18 pm

Skybox wrote:
shrink wrote:
Skybox wrote:We'll send you the original KCP and a 25 frp (worst of ORL or DEN)for NAW & DDV

I’m kind of curious how you rank those four assets when you make a trade like that?


1. KCP
2. DDV
3. NAW
4. DEN 25 frp

But, not large gaps for any


I have KCP last by a decent margin.

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