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Post#181 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Dec 29, 2024 3:25 pm

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Yes, that's very true.

Just watching how we were playing and at times the lack of effort was frustrating. But yeah you do have to commend how the Wizards were playing, because the were playing hard and badly wanted that game. I was only disappointed the game was so close the whole time.


That happens if you play b2b after playing the tough Orlando first, and the the young Wizards second. The next one won't be close.


When the GT was melting down saying what a crap team we were because we were down by 10 late in the third (even though it had been basically even most of the game), I said on the 2nd game of a B2B a veteran team will likely conserve some of their energy for the 4th quarter. That's exactly what happened.

This year the NBA has a handful of young teams with good talent but not always with the record to show for it. You can't face ORL, DET or WASH now and phone it in. You still have to make it happen. There were years where more of the teams were doormats. There may not be many elite teams, but there are fewer doormats. You can lose to anyone.
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Post#182 » by egelband » Sun Dec 29, 2024 3:33 pm

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egelband wrote:I disagree. Every team has talent and the wizards came at the Knicks with the game of their lives. Sure, the Knicks weren’t playing *their * best game. But facing a team on fire like that is tough. The Knicks could have actually afforded to let this one go but they didn’t. That was the most impressive part. They dig down deep for a win in a pretty meaningless December game. That speaks volumes about the character of this team. I’m very impressed.

Yes, that's very true.

Just watching how we were playing and at times the lack of effort was frustrating. But yeah you do have to commend how the Wizards were playing, because the were playing hard and badly wanted that game. I was only disappointed the game was so close the whole time.


That happens if you play b2b after playing the tough Orlando first, and the the young Wizards second. The next one won't be close.

Yes. Definitely. And also, in a case like last night’s game it’s good for the main guys to dig down and work on those clutch time muscles.
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This is malpractice, he has to start playing the bench more. I don't care if we lose random games here and there as long as we get to the playoffs with a healthy roster. Keep in mind, we have not had a single healthy playoff run with him, every year a starter is out.
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Jesus! If that defense translates to the NBA level, this kid is gonna be OG level defender with the hustle and speed of Hart. Need to see what his offense looks like. Thibs will play thos level of defense all day if the kid is healthy.


What injury does he have?

Just a bone bruise but if I had to guess it was probably a small crack of the kneecap, which would explain the enduring pain but is also 100% recoverable.
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This is malpractice, he has to start playing the bench more. I don't care if we lose random games here and there as long as we get to the playoffs with a healthy roster. Keep in mind, we have not had a single healthy playoff run with him, every year a starter is out.

Notice which Knicks starter is not on that list.

And some think KAT is "foolishly" picking up "dumb fouls" that get him sent to the bench.....

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Post#190 » by Kampuchea » Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:08 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:Thibs is a terrorist, intentionally trying to murder OG. Lock his a$$ up!!!!!!


They need to lock him up....on a 20 year contract. One of the best in the business.
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Post#191 » by kNicksGmen » Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:13 pm

there were several moments late in this game where it felt like "welp, what a **** loss" - and they somehow pulled it out. very impressed with the will to win even though it almost always takes some "luck". i think a wizards open 3 rimmed out late when they were already up which would have iced it.
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Post#192 » by Capn'O » Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:16 pm

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Iron Mantis wrote:The Wiz are dreadful, they only have 5 wins. But they beat the Hawks 2x and beat the Nuggets 1x. They tried to make us the next victim.

We were tired on a back to back, 3's hitting the front of the rim. ....and The wiz were extra motivated against us because last game we ran them out of the building, going up by 34 points entering the 4th quarter....yes this was even with their "superstars" Kuzma and Poole.

Without their "star" guys they played inspired team ball, looking for revenge, racking up 32 assists and all the guys on the floor were playing very intense defense.

Under these circumstances, any team could have succumbed to an L, but the Knicks gutted it out. Major props to the troops and Thibs.

I just don't like Thibs killing these guys with these insane minutes. They won't survive til the end of the season if we can't get the bench guys more minutes.


It's refreshing to watch a team that doesn't automatically punt the tail end of a B2B. These wins matter and it doesn't matter if it was a 30 point blow out or a 5 point nail biter. Wins matter.

That being said, if Thibs isn't going to open up the rotation, I don't see this team making it to April in a condition to make a deep playoff run.


We were clearly going for a small margin win. The focus in the late 4th and OT was so much higher.
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Post#193 » by Iron Mantis » Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:17 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:there were several moments late in this game where it felt like "welp, what a **** loss" - and they somehow pulled it out. very impressed with the will to win even though it almost always takes some "luck". i think a wizards open 3 rimmed out late when they were already up which would have iced it.

I think the Wizards had enough fortune hitting all those ridiculous 3's all game long. :lol:

They were due to return to some sort of normalcy.
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Post#195 » by Iron Mantis » Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:19 pm

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Iron Mantis wrote:Thibs is a terrorist, intentionally trying to murder OG. Lock his a$$ up!!!!!!


They need to lock him up....on a 20 year contract. One of the best in the business.

Except in the playoffs, where he's been below average.

And as has been mentioned, the Knicks have had starters injured every playoffs with him.

He's a solid coach, but he's not without his flaws. Minutes stuff being the scariest. We will see what happens this year.
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This is malpractice, he has to start playing the bench more. I don't care if we lose random games here and there as long as we get to the playoffs with a healthy roster. Keep in mind, we have not had a single healthy playoff run with him, every year a starter is out.


I can live with one maybe two guys up there.

Mikal is an iron man and Hart just never seems to get tired.

Having Brunson up there with Payne and Deuce on the roster is ridiculous. Also having OG up there is crazy. No elite defenders play that many minutes because defense is way more taxing than offense. Look at Haliburton and Fox up there because they take the other end of the floor off.

Again I'm trying to be reasonable with THibs....one or two guys up there I can live with. But we NEED OG for the playoffs we NEED Brunson for the playoffs...seeding wont matter if these guys are worn down/injured at the end of the season.
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This is malpractice, he has to start playing the bench more. I don't care if we lose random games here and there as long as we get to the playoffs with a healthy roster. Keep in mind, we have not had a single healthy playoff run with him, every year a starter is out.


I can live with one maybe two guys up there.

Mikal is an iron man and Hart just never seems to get tired.

Having Brunson up there with Payne and Deuce on the roster is ridiculous. Also having OG up there is crazy. No elite defenders play that many minutes because defense is way more taxing than offense. Look at Haliburton and Fox up there because they take the other end of the floor off.

Again I'm trying to be reasonable with THibs....one or two guys up there I can live with. But we NEED OG for the playoffs we NEED Brunson for the playoffs...seeding wont matter if these guys are worn down/injured at the end of the season.



I have never seen 80% of a starting 5 in the top 6 for total minutes before, maybe it's happened before but it certainly hasn't happened in the last 10 years. We've had a lot of blowouts too which makes it surreal, like the Kings are in close games so Fox being up there makes sense, they're +0.8 on the year so all their games are coming down to the final minutes.

Shamet, Precious, Payne and Deuce should be able to soak up enough minutes to keep this in check but since Precious came back Mikals minutes have increased.

A bad overuse injury or one where a guy is playing in a blowout is inevitable, you can see this coming a mile away.
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Post#198 » by FrozenEnvelope » Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:27 pm

Morning thoughts

1. Brunson is amazing. This dude changed our lives! We waited so long for him too! And he's better than anyone ever expected! 55 points?!!! He was questionable to even play!! Once George did the celly it was over. Brunson put on that cape and went to work and there is nothing one can do when he's on like that. This is like the basketball version of having Emmy Rossum as your wifey and Sydney Sweeney as your side piece. And you also have a mutant like Green Arrow who looks like Al Weezy who keeps blowing up your phone and sending you pix.

2. I really liked KAT's defense last night. He had some nice rim protection. The zebras called some touch fouls on him which is happening a lot lately.

3. OG had a meh game but made a big 3 and some clutch deflections.

4. Bench was bad aside from Precious monster dunk, which is the NYK dunk of the year so far this season.

5. Hart with another ultimate warrior game and hit the key shots in the OT to put up for good.

6. Overall it wasn't a great performance. We cannot continue to start off slow and spot teams a double digit lead. The defense for 3 and a half quarters were slow and disorganized. Too many open 3s and we also got beat too much on the glass and gave up 11 offensive rebounds. This cannot happen. We were kind of fortunate to win last night cause usually we won't if we play like that.

7. At the same time, coming back and winning these type of games builds character.
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Post#199 » by KnixinSix » Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:27 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:The Wiz are dreadful, they only have 5 wins. But they beat the Hawks 2x and beat the Nuggets 1x. They tried to make us the next victim.

We were tired on a back to back, 3's hitting the front of the rim. ....and The wiz were extra motivated against us because last game we ran them out of the building, going up by 34 points entering the 4th quarter....yes this was even with their "superstars" Kuzma and Poole.

Without their "star" guys they played inspired team ball, looking for revenge, racking up 32 assists and all the guys on the floor were playing very intense defense.

Under these circumstances, any team could have succumbed to an L, but the Knicks gutted it out. Major props to the troops and Thibs.

I just don't like Thibs killing these guys with these insane minutes. They won't survive til the end of the season if we can't get the bench guys more minutes.


Its clear Thibs doesn't want to rely on our rookies who are still a bit green in fully grasping his system and exectuing it well.

Shamet will ramp up in a few games, Achiuwa is back. Hopefully Mitch and/or a trade for another 5 happens. Soon there will be no excuse to go major minutes with the starting 5 with all these additional reliable options.
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This is malpractice, he has to start playing the bench more. I don't care if we lose random games here and there as long as we get to the playoffs with a healthy roster. Keep in mind, we have not had a single healthy playoff run with him, every year a starter is out.


I can live with one maybe two guys up there.

Mikal is an iron man and Hart just never seems to get tired.

Having Brunson up there with Payne and Deuce on the roster is ridiculous. Also having OG up there is crazy. No elite defenders play that many minutes because defense is way more taxing than offense. Look at Haliburton and Fox up there because they take the other end of the floor off.

Again I'm trying to be reasonable with THibs....one or two guys up there I can live with. But we NEED OG for the playoffs we NEED Brunson for the playoffs...seeding wont matter if these guys are worn down/injured at the end of the season.


good to know. couldn't tell from the game thread posts... every game.

now post the minutes per game leaders. because this is ironic and sensational.

the irony being that these listed knicks are leading in total minutes because we have 1 missed game (personal reasons) this season among those leaders. as in... they've been healthy while others (who do not play for thibs) have not.

brunson continues to average under 35, KAT around 34. most star players play more MPG than both of them.

our wings are playing heavy minutes. we're clearly leaning on them. as has been mentioned in threads ad nauseam, we started the season with injured rotation guys and probably didn't have the best options to win in the meantime. would be nice to see someone else trusted in the mix to bring that down. shamet just made it back and the rotation just expanded from 8 to 9 (not 6 to 7 like some like to suggest).

lastly, minutes police never want to sketch out a full rotation, which is hard and the work of a coach. just numbers that don't have regard for who is playing when, which is easy and the work of a couch. i would legit love to see rotation suggestions that mitigate the minutes better. but it's frustrating to watch either uniformed or intentionally misleading spicy takes because folks just feel a way.

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