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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1661 » by The Vo Show » Thu Dec 26, 2024 7:10 pm

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KnicksGod wrote:Brunson and draft pick capital for Cade


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Brunson was horrific yesterday. Gets swept under the rug because we won. But he really was awful, not going to look past it personally.

He has no business taking that last shot with Mikal going nuts. Then he tosses the ball to OG in another terrible play. We just got lucky, and Hart did his thing. Without the luck and hustle, Brunson basically gives the game to the Spurs because he's playing to win it himself. Unacceptable!

But yeah it was knee-jerk (empahsis on the jerk) which is what this thread is for :)


Only reason he gets a pass from me is because he's a first time dad on his first christmas, after getting a huge contract extension. On top of that, its a noon game.

But I agree with your assessment of his last plays. He was bailed out by Josh
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Post#1662 » by R-DAWG » Fri Dec 27, 2024 12:20 pm

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stuporman wrote:This should begin to clear up what the Knicks can...and more likely can't do in the trade market. Almost seems like do nothing will be the outcome and maybe the best course of action if it means taking away some of the depth core pieces like Deuce.

Mitch is the only piece that seems like a trade piece because he hasn't been playing and may not fit as well with the current play style but in my opinion he has a role in the rotation if he can stay healthy...yea, I know big 'IF' which he hasn't ever seemed to fulfill.

What ever happened to Jay Huff for the Grizzlies? Is he hurt or just out of the rotation? I'd love for the Knicks to somehow snag him as a stretch center who blocks shots depth piece. He can fill the role KAT does without the elite talent but bring some similar skills.


Basically, that says they might trade Mitch or Precious because Center glut and Precious isn't under contract next year and Mitch is extension eligible and maybe they don't trust his health.


These guys were speculating who possibly could be moved and the Knicks do have some limitations because of cap and apron rules. Unlike previous seasons when they had more flexibility, the Knicks FO have kinda handcuffed themselves somewhat for in season moves this year. Rose has been both obvious and discreet with his moves to date in NY so who knows what he got cooking yet take whatever cues from his time in charge.

I think Deuce, Cam and Precious are safe unless it's a no brainer for a clear upgrade, they are in the Thibs circle of trust, so is Sims to a degree but I think he's part of the available players. Mitch and Sims appear to be the most likely included in any deal but I am not excited about the depth at center spot if both are moved so it depends on what talent is coming back.

My impression is that Kolec and Huk are the keepers in their eyes compared to Pac given his timeline or any of the other end of the bench guys, just imo.

I'm actually leaning towards nothing happens other than out of the rotation depth like maybe TJ Warren type insurance move. I wouldn't be shocked if no trade of any significance happened, a quiet deadline for once as hard as that may seem.


Another thing to keep an eye on with future flexibility is our 2nd rd pick situation. Currently, we own 7 2nd rd picks over the next 7 drafts. But those include Memphis 2025 1st, which is looking like a pick in the 50’s, a top-45 protected 2028 Celtics pick, 2026 least favorable of Pistons, Magic, Bucks (likely a pick around #50).

The 2nds that look to have decent value are the 2nd most favorable of Heat, Rockets, Pacers, Thunder in 2027, favorable of Pacers/Suns 2029 and least favorable of Pacers/Wizards 2030.

We own our own 2nd in 2027

We should probably include Washington 2nds in 2026 and 2027 here as well since it’s highly unlikely that WAS top 8 protected 2026 1st will convey to us, which adds a pick between 31-38 and likely another pick around 40 to this stash.

In theory, you will be able to package cash with the Memphis 25 2nd to move up to grab a guy you like around #40.

But long story short, there are limited shots to utilize 2nd rd picks in trades. The approach of overpaying by 25% in every trade with extra picks can’t continue.

The reality is outside of making an additional trade, there are two moves to make with 2nd rd picks that over the next 5 seasons.
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Post#1663 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:03 pm

The Vo Show wrote:
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The Site Admin account getting hijacked by AggO?


Brunson was horrific yesterday. Gets swept under the rug because we won. But he really was awful, not going to look past it personally.

He has no business taking that last shot with Mikal going nuts. Then he tosses the ball to OG in another terrible play. We just got lucky, and Hart did his thing. Without the luck and hustle, Brunson basically gives the game to the Spurs because he's playing to win it himself. Unacceptable!

But yeah it was knee-jerk (empahsis on the jerk) which is what this thread is for :)


Only reason he gets a pass from me is because he's a first time dad on his first christmas, after getting a huge contract extension. On top of that, its a noon game.

But I agree with your assessment of his last plays. He was bailed out by Josh


He missed some shots at the end of the game. It happens.
He didn't shoot that well in the 2nd half, it happens.
He had a really good 1st half, or at least a normal for Brunson 1st half.

Saying he was awful makes me feel like people haven't watched enough basketball, even though I know that's not true.
Lot's of players have games where they put up a high volume of shots but it just isn't happening that game and they wind up shooting 33% or whatever.

People need to calm their tits.
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Post#1664 » by robillionaire » Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:43 pm

Lyles had 20 off the kings bench let’s trade for him now
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Post#1665 » by K_ick_God » Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:44 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
The Vo Show wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
Brunson was horrific yesterday. Gets swept under the rug because we won. But he really was awful, not going to look past it personally.

He has no business taking that last shot with Mikal going nuts. Then he tosses the ball to OG in another terrible play. We just got lucky, and Hart did his thing. Without the luck and hustle, Brunson basically gives the game to the Spurs because he's playing to win it himself. Unacceptable!

But yeah it was knee-jerk (empahsis on the jerk) which is what this thread is for :)


Only reason he gets a pass from me is because he's a first time dad on his first christmas, after getting a huge contract extension. On top of that, its a noon game.

But I agree with your assessment of his last plays. He was bailed out by Josh


He missed some shots at the end of the game. It happens.
He didn't shoot that well in the 2nd half, it happens.
He had a really good 1st half, or at least a normal for Brunson 1st half.

Saying he was awful makes me feel like people haven't watched enough basketball, even though I know that's not true.
Lot's of players have games where they put up a high volume of shots but it just isn't happening that game and they wind up shooting 33% or whatever.

People need to calm their tits.


True. I kind of missed the first half lol.
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Post#1666 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:45 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
The Vo Show wrote:
Only reason he gets a pass from me is because he's a first time dad on his first christmas, after getting a huge contract extension. On top of that, its a noon game.

But I agree with your assessment of his last plays. He was bailed out by Josh


He missed some shots at the end of the game. It happens.
He didn't shoot that well in the 2nd half, it happens.
He had a really good 1st half, or at least a normal for Brunson 1st half.

Saying he was awful makes me feel like people haven't watched enough basketball, even though I know that's not true.
Lot's of players have games where they put up a high volume of shots but it just isn't happening that game and they wind up shooting 33% or whatever.

People need to calm their tits.


True. I kind of missed the first half lol.


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Post#1667 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:10 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
The Vo Show wrote:
Only reason he gets a pass from me is because he's a first time dad on his first christmas, after getting a huge contract extension. On top of that, its a noon game.

But I agree with your assessment of his last plays. He was bailed out by Josh


He missed some shots at the end of the game. It happens.
He didn't shoot that well in the 2nd half, it happens.
He had a really good 1st half, or at least a normal for Brunson 1st half.

Saying he was awful makes me feel like people haven't watched enough basketball, even though I know that's not true.
Lot's of players have games where they put up a high volume of shots but it just isn't happening that game and they wind up shooting 33% or whatever.

People need to calm their tits.


True. I kind of missed the first half lol.


He was normal Brunson in the first half and not so good Brunson in the 2nd half, that is true.
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Post#1668 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:16 pm

The Knicks should keep drafting injured players like McCullar or Porter was, since they have time for them to heal or develop. Highest potential value.
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Post#1669 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Dec 27, 2024 10:21 pm

Any chance we could get Turner from Indy? :lol:
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Post#1670 » by KnixinSix » Sat Dec 28, 2024 5:05 pm

Top trade targets not in order of likelihood but in order of best fit:

1. Poetl
2. Kessler
3. Isaiah Stewart
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Post#1671 » by ScienceOfLosing » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:16 pm

KnixinSix wrote:Top trade targets not in order of likelihood but in order of best fit:

1. Poetl
2. Kessler
3. Isaiah Stewart
4. Nick Richards


As another said, Pacom doesn’t really fit our timeline, so I could see him in a package for Kessler or the like.
Maybe our Euro PG comes over or is we trade his rights traded, depending on what we do with Kolek.
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Post#1672 » by Riot Randolph » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:34 pm

Kuzma for Mitch… getitdone buy low
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Post#1673 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:40 pm

KnixinSix wrote:Top trade targets not in order of likelihood but in order of best fit:

1. Poetl
2. Kessler
3. Isaiah Stewart
4. Nick Richards


Seeing how three of them are highly unlikely, Nick Richards is the only one we can get.

Poetl would cost Mitch and Precious.
Stewart would cost Mitch and a rookie.
Ainge isn't giving us Kessler for what we have to offer.
Richards would most likely cost Precious but, we can possibly pull that off. Is Thibs going to want that?
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Post#1674 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:04 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:Top trade targets not in order of likelihood but in order of best fit:

1. Poetl
2. Kessler
3. Isaiah Stewart
4. Nick Richards


Seeing how three of them are highly unlikely, Nick Richards is the only one we can get.

Poetl would cost Mitch and Precious.
Stewart would cost Mitch and a rookie.
Ainge isn't giving us Kessler for what we have to offer.
Richards would most likely cost Precious but, we can possibly pull that off. Is Thibs going to want that?

Achiuwa isn’t worse than Richards
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Post#1675 » by TheGreenArrow » Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:58 pm

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Post#1676 » by AfroThunder » Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:28 pm

D’Angelo Russell, Maxwell Lewis and three second-round picks to the Brooklyn Nets for Dorian Finney-Smith and Shake Milton

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Post#1677 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:31 pm

AfroThunder wrote:D’Angelo Russell, Maxwell Lewis and three second-round picks to the Brooklyn Nets for Dorian Finney-Smith and Shake Milton

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Nets committed to that tank.
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Post#1678 » by dukeknicksirish » Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:14 pm

AfroThunder wrote:D’Angelo Russell, Maxwell Lewis and three second-round picks to the Brooklyn Nets for Dorian Finney-Smith and Shake Milton

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Should start the trade market up!
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Post#1679 » by knicksNOTslick » Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:19 pm

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AfroThunder wrote:D’Angelo Russell, Maxwell Lewis and three second-round picks to the Brooklyn Nets for Dorian Finney-Smith and Shake Milton

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Nets committed to that tank.

Good trade for both sides. Nothing major.

Lakers need more wing defense and toughness. Nets need another chucker with Cam Thomas to keep games "competitive" but still lose enough games to get a high draft pick.

Shake Milton. Does "Once a Knick, always a Knick" apply?
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Post#1680 » by Jeffrey » Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:06 pm

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AfroThunder wrote:D’Angelo Russell, Maxwell Lewis and three second-round picks to the Brooklyn Nets for Dorian Finney-Smith and Shake Milton

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Nets committed to that tank.

Good trade for both sides. Nothing major.

Lakers need more wing defense and toughness. Nets need another chucker with Cam Thomas to keep games "competitive" but still lose enough games to get a high draft pick.

Shake Milton. Does "Once a Knick, always a Knick" apply?


They seriously need to tear everything down.

Cam Johnson value can be had for another 1st round or multiple 2nd round picks
Bojan Bogdanovic is still valued for another 2nd round pick
Cam Thomas should be traded if they don't deem him as a future piece... he can possibly fetch a young potential and a 1st (protected)

Nic Claxton... I do'nt know how anyone would take him right now cuz his value is low but he can stay on a tanking team.

BTW none of these guys will give you a 1st with zero protection... maybe Thomas because he is making 4m

Ben Simmons is a buyout candidate.

Next offseason, there isn't a star player that is worthy of max contract. Brooklyn will be the only team to have significant space and there's A LOT of teams that might want to get under certain aprons. They should open shop and ask for a 1st round with light protections.

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