2023-24 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V3.0

[Skybox]

I mean, value wise it's more than fair but why does ORL do this?

ORL needs a second unit ballhandler (a real PG that doesn’t turn it over) and a second unit big that can spread the floor & score (while Moe Wagner is out). I’m not super excited about Mitchell…but a solid defender is a lot more likely to nudge into Mosley’s rotation. I haven’t seen Mitchell since pre-draft, but I remember the nickname and I see him avg 5 apg with IQ out…and the price seems right for both. Cole & Jett both have talent, but neither has gained any real traction this year, other than filling in for all of the injuries…so the tradeoff isn’t too painful, even if it’s not a huge boost.

Personally, I’d prefer that ORL aimed higher (Sexton?) but they tend to move slow & steady, so this just plugs a few holes rather than any real leap forward.

Your a Magic fan? Your team has no use for those two players. Moritz Wagner provides a similar role as Olynyk and Cole Anthony is way better than Davion Mitchell. Didn't he just win two games for you guys in like a week?

Thanks for the updates…moe is out for up to 12 months, blew his ACL out.

Cole has a moment here & there, but is effectively out of the rotation this year, when the team is healthy. I don’t doubt Cole finds his groove elsewhere and I’d root for him…best personality in the league…he’d be missed, but ORL is getting into serious payroll with 3 big extensions looming and can’t justify $12m for a deep reserve…I think he’s worth that, in a vacuum, but ORL is fortunate to be at a point where the roster must tighten and get more top heavy financially. They’ll be bargain hunting for players 9-12.

[Skybox]

Is Davion an NBA player? Is he still a fierce POA defender? Can he run point somewhat efficiently with a second unit?

Kind of vanished off my radar post-draft.

[Thaddy]

Is Davion an NBA player? Is he still a fierce POA defender? Can he run point somewhat efficiently with a second unit?

Kind of vanished off my radar post-draft.

He's probably one of the best POA defenders in the league. He's had to take on a bigger role on the Raptors but he's a capable back up PG.

[OhCanada]

ORL needs a second unit ballhandler (a real PG that doesn’t turn it over) and a second unit big that can spread the floor & score (while Moe Wagner is out). I’m not super excited about Mitchell…but a solid defender is a lot more likely to nudge into Mosley’s rotation. I haven’t seen Mitchell since pre-draft, but I remember the nickname and I see him avg 5 apg with IQ out…and the price seems right for both. Cole & Jett both have talent, but neither has gained any real traction this year, other than filling in for all of the injuries…so the tradeoff isn’t too painful, even if it’s not a huge boost.

Personally, I’d prefer that ORL aimed higher (Sexton?) but they tend to move slow & steady, so this just plugs a few holes rather than any real leap forward.

Your a Magic fan? Your team has no use for those two players. Moritz Wagner provides a similar role as Olynyk and Cole Anthony is way better than Davion Mitchell. Didn't he just win two games for you guys in like a week?

Thanks for the updates…moe is out for up to 12 months, blew his ACL out.

Cole has a moment here & there, but is effectively out of the rotation this year, when the team is healthy. I don’t doubt Cole finds his groove elsewhere and I’d root for him…best personality in the league…he’d be missed, but ORL is getting into serious payroll with 3 big extensions looming and can’t justify $12m for a deep reserve…I think he’s worth that, in a vacuum, but ORL is fortunate to be at a point where the roster must tighten and get more top heavy financially. They’ll be bargain hunting for players 9-12.

12 months? Oh wow. I knew he was out for the season but thats quite a long recovery. Even if he does return from that hows he gonna play. Mo wasnt really the best player to begin with... Olynyk has another year on his contract which is why I thought it was a bad fit but if Mo might miss most of next season as well than I see the need.

Either way I dont think Olynyk is a good fit for your young and aggressive Magic team. Hes very bad man. He gets bullied every night. He's a true 7 footer but you put him against Capela or Edey his last two matchups and its like putting a guard on them. Davion Mitchell is a good fit but Cole Anthony's inconsistencies are still much better than Davion's. Mitchell is too small to be the defensive playmaker he was touted as predraft, hes good for an airball or a dribble of his foot every game and is really just a high energy guy.

Anyways in your theory Toronto would probably release Cole Anthony. They were very high on Jett predraft though.

[LoveMyRaps]

A trade that makes sense for both sides.

Mavs get Maxi Kleber off the books and have to attach Grimes who has had a nice lil bounce back season. Still only 24 and adds shooting to our lineup.

Boucher is a guy that slides in perfectly into the Mavs lineup. Energy big that can occasionally stretch the floor (something Mavs lack), hustles hard, and rebounds well. He can catch lobs from Luka/Kyrie and would excel in a Mavs uniform. Lively also has issues staying healthy, so Boucher would be a nice lil insurance piece.

[Zeno]

ORL needs a second unit ballhandler (a real PG that doesn’t turn it over) and a second unit big that can spread the floor & score (while Moe Wagner is out). I’m not super excited about Mitchell…but a solid defender is a lot more likely to nudge into Mosley’s rotation. I haven’t seen Mitchell since pre-draft, but I remember the nickname and I see him avg 5 apg with IQ out…and the price seems right for both. Cole & Jett both have talent, but neither has gained any real traction this year, other than filling in for all of the injuries…so the tradeoff isn’t too painful, even if it’s not a huge boost.

Personally, I’d prefer that ORL aimed higher (Sexton?) but they tend to move slow & steady, so this just plugs a few holes rather than any real leap forward.

Your a Magic fan? Your team has no use for those two players. Moritz Wagner provides a similar role as Olynyk and Cole Anthony is way better than Davion Mitchell. Didn't he just win two games for you guys in like a week?

Thanks for the updates…moe is out for up to 12 months, blew his ACL out.

Cole has a moment here & there, but is effectively out of the rotation this year, when the team is healthy. I don’t doubt Cole finds his groove elsewhere and I’d root for him…best personality in the league…he’d be missed, but ORL is getting into serious payroll with 3 big extensions looming and can’t justify $12m for a deep reserve…I think he’s worth that, in a vacuum, but ORL is fortunate to be at a point where the roster must tighten and get more top heavy financially. They’ll be bargain hunting for players 9-12.

How about… Kelly, Bruce Brown, Davion for Cole, Harris, Mo Wagner, Denver 2025. Lotto protected. We agree to waive Mo and he can stay in Orlando and rehab around the team. This adds 5.6 million to your salary this year but Bruce and Davion are expiring so the end result is the same.

[Saul Goodman]

Memphis wanted DFS so maybe they want Bruce Brown


Bruce brown
Chris Boucher
Portland 2nd

For


Luke Kennard
Brandon Clarke
Jon konchar
2025 Memphis 1st top 15 protected




Raptors get another pick to try and get another Jakobe





To Detroit

Davion Mitchell


To Toronto
Toronto 2025 2nd




Looks like they probably keep Poetl but I’d try to get another decent 1st for him as well perhaps from golden state.

[MoneyBall]

Would y'all trade the number 1 pick in the draft for Cade?

This is an interesting hypocritical. I honestly don't know. I think you have to pick Flagg and hope he turns out to be a franchise guy.

[Skybox]

Your a Magic fan? Your team has no use for those two players. Moritz Wagner provides a similar role as Olynyk and Cole Anthony is way better than Davion Mitchell. Didn't he just win two games for you guys in like a week?

Thanks for the updates…moe is out for up to 12 months, blew his ACL out.

Cole has a moment here & there, but is effectively out of the rotation this year, when the team is healthy. I don’t doubt Cole finds his groove elsewhere and I’d root for him…best personality in the league…he’d be missed, but ORL is getting into serious payroll with 3 big extensions looming and can’t justify $12m for a deep reserve…I think he’s worth that, in a vacuum, but ORL is fortunate to be at a point where the roster must tighten and get more top heavy financially. They’ll be bargain hunting for players 9-12.

How about… Kelly, Bruce Brown, Davion for Cole, Harris, Mo Wagner, Denver 2025. Lotto protected. We agree to waive Mo and he can stay in Orlando and rehab around the team. This adds 5.6 million to your salary this year but Bruce and Davion are expiring so the end result is the same.

Creative. I suggested some similar things re: Moe, where he essentially is traded & waived and he never really leaves…he rehabs in ORL and they keep talking. I’m not as high on Brown as others, so I don’t like suddenly adding the frp to what was originally a pretty minimal pair of targets…I guess it would depend how much others valued Brown. I think he’s got a kind of mythology, which is greater than the player ever was…kind of like what Cam Johnson has become lately.

[Zeno]

Thanks for the updates…moe is out for up to 12 months, blew his ACL out.

Cole has a moment here & there, but is effectively out of the rotation this year, when the team is healthy. I don’t doubt Cole finds his groove elsewhere and I’d root for him…best personality in the league…he’d be missed, but ORL is getting into serious payroll with 3 big extensions looming and can’t justify $12m for a deep reserve…I think he’s worth that, in a vacuum, but ORL is fortunate to be at a point where the roster must tighten and get more top heavy financially. They’ll be bargain hunting for players 9-12.

How about… Kelly, Bruce Brown, Davion for Cole, Harris, Mo Wagner, Denver 2025. Lotto protected. We agree to waive Mo and he can stay in Orlando and rehab around the team. This adds 5.6 million to your salary this year but Bruce and Davion are expiring so the end result is the same.

Creative. I suggested some similar things re: Moe, where he essentially is traded & waived and he never really leaves…he rehabs in ORL and they keep talking. I’m not as high on Brown as others, so I don’t like suddenly adding the frp to what was originally a pretty minimal pair of targets…I guess it would depend how much others valued Brown. I think he’s got a kind of mythology, which is greater than the player ever was…kind of like what Cam Johnson has become lately.

Yeah, I think Bruce has a certain amount of that Jokic glow on him but I think he is still a positive contributor on a playoff team with experience at the highest level. I get not wanting to throw in the 1st. Perhaps we could do lesser of your and Denver 1st and we’d send you back Portland’s 2nd next year that should be in the low 30s.

If that doesn’t excite you perhaps a simple Mo and 2nd for Boucher trade with us waiving Mo of course.

[Raptorfan2012]

A trade that makes sense for both sides.

Mavs get Maxi Kleber off the books and have to attach Grimes who has had a nice lil bounce back season. Still only 24 and adds shooting to our lineup.

Boucher is a guy that slides in perfectly into the Mavs lineup. Energy big that can occasionally stretch the floor (something Mavs lack), hustles hard, and rebounds well. He can catch lobs from Luka/Kyrie and would excel in a Mavs uniform. Lively also has issues staying healthy, so Boucher would be a nice lil insurance piece.

Need a 2nd rounder from the Mavs to take on Kleber's contract.

[islandboy53]

A trade that makes sense for both sides.

Mavs get Maxi Kleber off the books and have to attach Grimes who has had a nice lil bounce back season. Still only 24 and adds shooting to our lineup.

Boucher is a guy that slides in perfectly into the Mavs lineup. Energy big that can occasionally stretch the floor (something Mavs lack), hustles hard, and rebounds well. He can catch lobs from Luka/Kyrie and would excel in a Mavs uniform. Lively also has issues staying healthy, so Boucher would be a nice lil insurance piece.

Need a 2nd rounder from the Mavs to take on Kleber's contract.

Dallas has 1 SRP, the better of Denver/Philly this year. They'll need substantially more than that for Toronto to take on Klieber's $11 million next year. Grimes is an important part of their backcourt rotation, and we don't really need more guards at this point.

[dagger]

A trade that makes sense for both sides.

Mavs get Maxi Kleber off the books and have to attach Grimes who has had a nice lil bounce back season. Still only 24 and adds shooting to our lineup.

Boucher is a guy that slides in perfectly into the Mavs lineup. Energy big that can occasionally stretch the floor (something Mavs lack), hustles hard, and rebounds well. He can catch lobs from Luka/Kyrie and would excel in a Mavs uniform. Lively also has issues staying healthy, so Boucher would be a nice lil insurance piece.

No. Once you re-sign Grimes you have added a lot of money for next season for another guard with only a bit of upside. There are more profitable returns avail if the Raptors are ready to take on a large contract for next season

[douggood]

Expect some roster moves this week for raptors, bruno deal gets guaranteed on the 10th, thus has to be waived by the 7th.
either the raptors keep the roster spot open until the deadline (my expectation) or they sign battle to a regular deal.

[Jermaine OBosh]

Expect some roster moves this week for raptors, bruno deal gets guaranteed on the 10th, thus has to be waived by the 7th.
either the raptors keep the roster spot open until the deadline (my expectation) or they sign battle to a regular deal.

Most likely they will keep the roster spot open until the trade deadline.

[M3tro]

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[OhCanada]

Would y'all trade the number 1 pick in the draft for Cade?

This is an interesting hypocritical. I honestly don't know. I think you have to pick Flagg and hope he turns out to be a franchise guy.

The rookie contract and young talent with less bad habits is always the better choice. You never trade #1 in a good draft thats crazy.

[MoneyBall]

Would y'all trade the number 1 pick in the draft for Cade?

This is an interesting hypocritical. I honestly don't know. I think you have to pick Flagg and hope he turns out to be a franchise guy.

The rookie contract and young talent with less bad habits is always the better choice. You never trade #1 in a good draft thats crazy.

If it were only that simple. Between the 2013 and 2019 drafts, these were the players picked number one overall:

Benett
Wiggins
KAT
Simmons
Fultz
Ayton
Zion

Only KAT lived up to the hype of a #1 pick.

[Spida888]

Since we're having fun with the Cade hypothetical. If someone offered you a top 3 pick in 2025 draft for Scottie would you do it? We would then potentially have two top 5 picks.

I don't expect this to happen especially with Scottie's play as of late. Just for fun, to see how the board views Scottie.

[anotherhomer]

Since we're having fun with the Cade hypothetical. If someone offered you a top 3 pick in 2025 draft for Scottie would you do it? We would then potentially have two top 5 picks.

I don't expect this to happen especially with Scottie's play as of late. Just for fun, to see how the board views Scottie.

ya, you have to trade scottie