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2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

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Post#1921 » by greg4012 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 8:38 pm

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Do u think the team without Jimmy is playoff bound?

And hypothetically, do u think a roster without Jimmy in the playoffs has about the same odds as it does with him in the lineup?

Last year against the Celtics was unwatchably embarrassing for them.

Do you think Jimmy in the lineup wouldn’t have made that series more compelling?


Of course the playoff ceiling is highest with someone who can perform as a top 10 player. Do you think any team is as serious of a playoff contender without their highest paid player? Replacing the salary allotment with another contributing piece (or 2) can level out a lot.


Regarding your last point, in general, I don’t agree..

Not when it comes to playoff basketball

A team full of secondary players isn’t likely to advance

For instance, removing Kawhi from the championship raptors team and replacing him with a Bam type and someone else severely diminishes that team and they don’t come close to sniffing a chip.

Same scenario with Denver and Jokic and Milwaukee and Giannis


That's fair and fine. You seem to not agree with a point I didn't make tho.

Expiration dates also exist IMO and navigating them is important. That's the leveling out exercise. Build for the next push.
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Post#1922 » by Beenie » Wed Jan 1, 2025 8:41 pm

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Of course the playoff ceiling is highest with someone who can perform as a top 10 player. Do you think any team is as serious of a playoff contender without their highest paid player? Replacing the salary allotment with another contributing piece (or 2) can level out a lot.


Regarding your last point, in general, I don’t agree..

Not when it comes to playoff basketball

A team full of secondary players isn’t likely to advance

For instance, removing Kawhi from the championship raptors team and replacing him with a Bam type and someone else severely diminishes that team and they don’t come close to sniffing a chip.

Same scenario with Denver and Jokic and Milwaukee and Giannis


Depends on the supporting cast, you could swap a bam level player for KD or Curry on those warriors teams and they’d win it still. You can swap Bam for Brown and the Celtics still win last year but yea if you’re swapping Bam for arguably the best player in the world for each of those championships you mentioned that’s likely not the case.

I don’t view Fox as a lead number 1 scoring option on a championship, maybe he could be with the right supporting cast but let’s say this hypothetical Jimmy trade happened 3 years ago and we got Wiggins and sent the assets out for Fox as well to fit into Jimmy JRich and Loves salary. Which one of those seasons ends worse for us in the postseason considering we play the same teams and all that?

2022 we definitely still make the ECF at minimum, 2023 you could argue the bucks series, maybe the Celtics since massive Jimmy/Bam games 1 and 2 got us out to a 2-0 lead heading back home that series but lead guards like Fox, Mitchell, Curry, Brunson, Dame usually always have their way against the Celtics.


I deliberately didn’t mention the warriors or the Celtics because they had multiple alpha elite playoff performers in their lineups so replacing their top player with a Bam type wouldn’t be as devastating of a loss.

Mia, like the teams I mentioned, have one guy capable of going nuclear in the playoffs

To replace him with two non nuclear armed players and expecting the rest of the roster to perform is unrealistic
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Post#1923 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jan 1, 2025 8:43 pm

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Post#1924 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jan 1, 2025 8:50 pm

Beenie wrote:
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Regarding your last point, in general, I don’t agree..

Not when it comes to playoff basketball

A team full of secondary players isn’t likely to advance

For instance, removing Kawhi from the championship raptors team and replacing him with a Bam type and someone else severely diminishes that team and they don’t come close to sniffing a chip.

Same scenario with Denver and Jokic and Milwaukee and Giannis


Depends on the supporting cast, you could swap a bam level player for KD or Curry on those warriors teams and they’d win it still. You can swap Bam for Brown and the Celtics still win last year but yea if you’re swapping Bam for arguably the best player in the world for each of those championships you mentioned that’s likely not the case.

I don’t view Fox as a lead number 1 scoring option on a championship, maybe he could be with the right supporting cast but let’s say this hypothetical Jimmy trade happened 3 years ago and we got Wiggins and sent the assets out for Fox as well to fit into Jimmy JRich and Loves salary. Which one of those seasons ends worse for us in the postseason considering we play the same teams and all that?

2022 we definitely still make the ECF at minimum, 2023 you could argue the bucks series, maybe the Celtics since massive Jimmy/Bam games 1 and 2 got us out to a 2-0 lead heading back home that series but lead guards like Fox, Mitchell, Curry, Brunson, Dame usually always have their way against the Celtics.


I deliberately didn’t mention the warriors or the Celtics because they had multiple alpha elite playoff performances in their lineups so replacing their top player with a Bam type wouldn’t be as devastating of a loss.

Mia, like the teams I mentioned, have one guy capable of going nuclear in the playoffs

To replace him with two non nuclear armed players and expecting the rest of the roster to perform is unrealistic


It’d be interesting to see, I only remember 2 nuclear series off the top of my head (Bucks win and Lakers finals loss) some nuclear games here and there in each run but some bad ones as well (partially due to a Pritchard dirty play). I think there’s an argument for 2023 turning out different solely due to the first round bucks series, the others I don’t see it though.
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Post#1925 » by Beenie » Wed Jan 1, 2025 8:53 pm

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greg4012 wrote:
Of course the playoff ceiling is highest with someone who can perform as a top 10 player. Do you think any team is as serious of a playoff contender without their highest paid player? Replacing the salary allotment with another contributing piece (or 2) can level out a lot.


Regarding your last point, in general, I don’t agree..

Not when it comes to playoff basketball

A team full of secondary players isn’t likely to advance

For instance, removing Kawhi from the championship raptors team and replacing him with a Bam type and someone else severely diminishes that team and they don’t come close to sniffing a chip.

Same scenario with Denver and Jokic and Milwaukee and Giannis


That's fair and fine. You seem to not agree with a point I didn't make tho.

Expiration dates also exist IMO and navigating them is important. That's the leveling out exercise. Build for the next push.


The idea that Jimmy has expired, a narrative that’s common in Heat spaces, is indeed the core of the disagreement.

The problem today with the team, imo, is the same problem it’s been since Jimmy arrived in Mia, which is a lack of a proper supporting cast.

I don’t see any compelling evidence that Jimmy is any less of a player than he’s been since joining the team.
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Post#1926 » by twix2500 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 8:56 pm

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Post#1927 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jan 1, 2025 9:26 pm

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So we could use 2nds to eliminate protections, send 2 1sts and the young guys for Fox while keeping Jimmy Bam and Herro. Thats a solid offer for an expiring who has Klutch pulling the strings.
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Post#1928 » by MartyConlonJr » Wed Jan 1, 2025 10:07 pm

We can still do 1st round pick swaps too I guess for those other years.
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Post#1929 » by greg4012 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 10:51 pm

Beenie wrote:
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Beenie wrote:
Regarding your last point, in general, I don’t agree..

Not when it comes to playoff basketball

A team full of secondary players isn’t likely to advance

For instance, removing Kawhi from the championship raptors team and replacing him with a Bam type and someone else severely diminishes that team and they don’t come close to sniffing a chip.

Same scenario with Denver and Jokic and Milwaukee and Giannis


That's fair and fine. You seem to not agree with a point I didn't make tho.

Expiration dates also exist IMO and navigating them is important. That's the leveling out exercise. Build for the next push.


The idea that Jimmy has expired, a narrative that’s common in Heat spaces, is indeed the core of the disagreement.

The problem today with the team, imo, is the same problem it’s been since Jimmy arrived in Mia, which is a lack of a proper supporting cast.

I don’t see any compelling evidence that Jimmy is any less of a player than he’s been since joining the team.


Didn't say he's expired. Every 35 year old in the NBA is trending toward expiration tho and warrants scrutiny in projecting forward. Not advocating for any specific path either.

Not everything needs to be a player vs player discussion imo
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Post#1930 » by Seabass777 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 11:14 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1931 » by twix2500 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 11:19 pm

If Memphis is giving out 1st round picks for DFS than give them Rozier and Highsmith for Smart, Kenard and a 1st round pick
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Post#1932 » by Johnny Fontane » Wed Jan 1, 2025 11:21 pm



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Post#1936 » by marson » Thu Jan 2, 2025 8:31 am

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Post#1937 » by contract » Thu Jan 2, 2025 9:14 am


The Lakers are shopping him, is a polite way of saying that the Lakers desperately want to unload him.

I'm not sure we could make the numbers work in a swap. I am sure he isn't worth $11 million of cap space.
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Post#1938 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Jan 2, 2025 9:29 am

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They trying to pull off Iggy and Crowder 2.0 with the Grizz


Thank god Memphis declined our offer.

Smart has been garbage for years now, this would've been worse then Kaleb Martin excepting out 50Mil offer.

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Post#1939 » by AirP. » Thu Jan 2, 2025 1:19 pm

January and possibly February are important months for Herro, January particularly throughout his career is the worst month for his efficiency by far. It'll be interesting to see if that's something in the past or is there something to it as in wearing down just a tad for his shots not to fall or defenses changing how they defend him and it takes him a while to adjust. It's been very odd how such a good shooter drops dramatically in efficiency in January that sometimes carries on to February and even March. So, the next couple of months should be a good barometer of where he is as well as to see if this play can carry on into the playoffs at a much more consistent rate.

For his career his TS% by month
.575 - Oct
.576 - Nov
.578 - Dec
.511 - Jan
.562 - Feb
.566 - Mar

.599 - Apr
.666 - May
.637 Aug

Career
.564 Regular season
.525 Playoffs (it's expected for efficiency to drop going against the better players/teams in the NBA)
Spoiler:
23-24 (TS% by month)
.534
.599
.597
.519 <- Jan 15 game
.544 <- Feb 7 games
.623

22-23
.586
.507
.619
.498 <- Jan 11 games
.526 <- Feb 8 games
.607
.541 <- April only 4 games

21-22
.570
.558
.517 <- Dec 12 games
.492 <- Jan 12 game
.630 <- Feb 6 games
.611
.638

20-21 (season after the bubble)
.592 <- Dec 4 games
.521 <- Jan 8 game
.552
.468
.583
.666
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Post#1940 » by Bmaster » Thu Jan 2, 2025 2:11 pm

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