ImageImageImageImageImage

2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2

Moderators: Morris_Shatford, 7 Footer, DG88, niQ, Duffman100, tsherkin, Reeko, lebron stopper, HiJiNX

User avatar
Bruin
RealGM
Posts: 25,255
And1: 39,751
Joined: Mar 11, 2018
       

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#401 » by Bruin » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:24 pm

Read on Twitter
?s=46
Image
User avatar
Psubs
RealGM
Posts: 20,853
And1: 11,913
Joined: Nov 20, 2004
Location: Toronto

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#402 » by Psubs » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:26 pm

Bruin wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=46


Pergale Chocolate!
Image
Los_29
RealGM
Posts: 15,269
And1: 13,887
Joined: Apr 10, 2021

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#403 » by Los_29 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:26 pm

RoteSchroder wrote:
Scase wrote:He would easily be averaging a triple double if we had even just some more competent players on the roster.


Calling on Scase to read this last page.

See what I mean with the Bargnani excuses? Everyone’s averaging a triple double, if only they had better teammates.

This line of reasoning comes up every month on realgm for everyone’s favorite player.


That was an unbelievable take. Just a blatant disregard for history thinking that Scottie can do something that only two players in NBA history has ever done. lol.
User avatar
Syd-TK3
RealGM
Posts: 19,567
And1: 19,848
Joined: Jun 07, 2015
 

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#404 » by Syd-TK3 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:34 pm

I really don't care about the assist stuff with Ace tbh
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense
Image
User avatar
Psubs
RealGM
Posts: 20,853
And1: 11,913
Joined: Nov 20, 2004
Location: Toronto

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#405 » by Psubs » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:39 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:I really don't care about the assist stuff with Ace tbh
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense


Park him in the corner and slash, and in the dunker's spot. :nod: Then he puts up 15ppg as a rookie just on 3's and dunks and turnaround J's.
Image
DreamTeam09
RealGM
Posts: 17,605
And1: 10,960
Joined: Jan 06, 2009
Location: Scarborough
 

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#406 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:43 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:I really don't care about the assist stuff with Ace tbh
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense


Yeah I never understood that point in terms of the Raps, we don't need anymore play makers, we need more play finishers, more shooters, more guys who can get stuff out of nothing. Bailey's weaknesses aren't the teams weakness, and his strengths are something we desperately need.
Image

In Raptor Ball I Trust
User avatar
Syd-TK3
RealGM
Posts: 19,567
And1: 19,848
Joined: Jun 07, 2015
 

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#407 » by Syd-TK3 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:56 pm

Psubs wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:I really don't care about the assist stuff with Ace tbh
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense


Park him in the corner and slash, and in the dunker's spot. :nod: Then he puts up 15ppg as a rookie just on 3's and dunks and turnaround J's.

He's also extremely talented at those curling 3s off the catch. Very similar plays you'd run for gradey. Just drill that defensive mindset into him from early and you're good
Image
TNRaps4life
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,905
And1: 1,216
Joined: Aug 30, 2005
 

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#408 » by TNRaps4life » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:24 pm

Read on Twitter
?s=19

Growth

Read on Twitter
?s=19

Read on Twitter
?s=19
ATLTimekeeper
RealGM
Posts: 42,581
And1: 23,769
Joined: Apr 28, 2008

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#409 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:26 pm

Reeko wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
Reeko wrote:The truth is that you don't want a guy like Bailey being the star player of your team. Within the context of a winning team he's a guy who you'd ideally have as a 3rd or 4th option. He can be a good and valuable player in the right situation, but if you're hoping he's going to be a guy who can be your #1 option on a championship team, I think you're fooling yourself.


Can't write a player off who has not even played in the NBA yet....How many people on this board thought Scottie Barnes after watching his college season and how slow he looked thought he would be ROY? Not many....A player like Bailey if he develops a few things (That are teachable) does have superstar potential....Because he already does the things every star player needs and thats shot creation and tough shot making at a pretty elite level....Everything else he "Can't" do right now can be developed over time....They are not stuff he can't unlock....Can't teach his size/speed/shot making ability....I still like Harper over Bailey but i deff think Ace could be a star in the NBA in the future.

I’m not writing him off, I just don’t think that he’s going to be a 1st option type.


This dude literally claims you can't teach shot making ability. I would say the biggest flag about Ace is not even anything he does but the quality of excuse-making around him.
tdotrep2
RealGM
Posts: 25,436
And1: 26,596
Joined: May 21, 2011
 

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#410 » by tdotrep2 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:28 pm

Ace Bailey definitely has that go to scoring option potential. He would fit here no doubt.
PushDaRock
RealGM
Posts: 14,599
And1: 10,891
Joined: Jun 22, 2011

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#411 » by PushDaRock » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:31 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Reeko wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
Can't write a player off who has not even played in the NBA yet....How many people on this board thought Scottie Barnes after watching his college season and how slow he looked thought he would be ROY? Not many....A player like Bailey if he develops a few things (That are teachable) does have superstar potential....Because he already does the things every star player needs and thats shot creation and tough shot making at a pretty elite level....Everything else he "Can't" do right now can be developed over time....They are not stuff he can't unlock....Can't teach his size/speed/shot making ability....I still like Harper over Bailey but i deff think Ace could be a star in the NBA in the future.

I’m not writing him off, I just don’t think that he’s going to be a 1st option type.


This dude literally claims you can't teach shot making ability. I would say the biggest flag about Ace is not even anything he does but the quality of excuse-making around him.


He can basically do no wrong and everything can be blamed on his teammates sucking.
User avatar
Clutch0z24
General Manager
Posts: 9,869
And1: 9,939
Joined: May 08, 2014
   

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#412 » by Clutch0z24 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:32 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:I really don't care about the assist stuff with Ace tbh
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense


Yeah I never understood that point in terms of the Raps, we don't need anymore play makers, we need more play finishers, more shooters, more guys who can get stuff out of nothing. Bailey's weaknesses aren't the teams weakness, and his strengths are something we desperately need.


Yep exactly this is a team sport and every team needs a player like Ace Bailey in todays NBA....We do not have that kind of player and in fact we are badly in need of a player of what Ace flashes so far in his college season....People seem to forget players may look even better in the NBA where they are playing with much better talent around them and also with a spaced out floor which might make it easier for a player like Ace to score....People forget how raw Barnes looked during college to where he is at today....People wrote off Barnes day 1 on this board (Myself included) who thought Barnes wouldn't be as good as he is today....

Players develop also he hasn't even reached a level of fitness with his body yet as he looks he can add muscle to be stronger....With his size and if he works on his handles/rim attacking while also getting better shots he may develop into an elite player...

Are there red flags for some things ofc but every player in this draft has them same red flags if you want to point out all their flaws and not mention the good stuff they do.
Image
ATLTimekeeper
RealGM
Posts: 42,581
And1: 23,769
Joined: Apr 28, 2008

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#413 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:38 pm

The difference is that Ace's red flags puts him in a position where very few, if any, players have succeeded to the level that warrants a high pick. If you are fine taking that risk, that's cool, but don't be indignant if others are uninterested in this prospect.
User avatar
Scase
RealGM
Posts: 14,640
And1: 10,782
Joined: Feb 02, 2009
Location: Ottawa by way of MTL
       

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#414 » by Scase » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:50 pm

Los_29 wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
Scase wrote:He would easily be averaging a triple double if we had even just some more competent players on the roster.


Calling on Scase to read this last page.

See what I mean with the Bargnani excuses? Everyone’s averaging a triple double, if only they had better teammates.

This line of reasoning comes up every month on realgm for everyone’s favorite player.


That was an unbelievable take. Just a blatant disregard for history thinking that Scottie can do something that only two players in NBA history has ever done. lol.

Scase wrote:
Brinbe wrote:Scottie becoming a nightly triple-double threat. Firmly in his Magic era in this current role. Just a shame he doesn't have better scoring teammates to take full advantage of what he creates.

Read on Twitter

He would easily be averaging a triple double if we had even just some more competent players on the roster.



It's an unbelievable take that a player who was averaging 23/10/9, could manage a triple double on a team with actual talent in that 7 game span?

Nah, it's just easier for people like you to completely ignore any context of a comment so you can make inflammatory posts. Maybe, just maybe, you look at the context of the post instead of getting your panties in a bunch, grow up.
Image
Props TZ!
User avatar
UnbelievablyRAW
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,845
And1: 4,614
Joined: Oct 29, 2011
     

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#415 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:56 pm

My Raptors big board is:

Flagg
Harper
Ace
Kasparas
Tre
Demin
Khaman
VJ

Flagg and Harper in a class of their own.

Kasparas continues to get 15+/5+/5+ in consecutive games all while maintaining that 40+% from 3. It'd be really hard not to take him 3 but I have a feeling by draft day Ace will have grown as a player in workouts. He gives off that hard worker vibe and that would be tough to pass up on especially since he excels at exactly what we need. I love the KJ fit because he can easily run the bench unit offensively and is big enough to play next to IQ as a second guard ala Nembhard.

Ace as a movement shooter at 6'9 who also gives good helpside and man defense is a plus. Literally fits the roster like a glove as a starting 3. Playing next to IQ and Barnes he will get a lot of good looks that will make his efficiency look night and day as well. The handle looks less Bambi-ish as well. If he's put in a play finisher role I think he'd thrive.
"Above average role player is now being paid like a superstar from one good playoff series. This will end up as one of the worst contracts in the league." paulbball on Pascal Siakam
User avatar
Thaddy
Head Coach
Posts: 6,926
And1: 4,033
Joined: Dec 12, 2022

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#416 » by Thaddy » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:01 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:My Raptors big board is:

Flagg
Harper
Ace
Kasparas
Tre
Demin
Khaman
VJ

Flagg and Harper in a class of their own.
Kasparas continues to get 15+/5+/5+ in consecutive games all while maintaining that 40+% from 3. It'd be really hard not to take him 3 but I have a feeling by draft day Ace will have grown as a player in workouts. He gives off that hard worker vibe and that would be tough to pass up on especially since he excels at exactly what we need. I love the KJ fit because he can easily run the bench unit offensively and is big enough to play next to IQ as a second guard ala Nembhard.

The player we draft (other than Harper or Flagg) will be coming off the bench. Depth is important in the high octane NBA. We should go for the best creator we can get at our pick. If we can get a good deal a 2nd first rounder thst gets us a C would make Poeltl expendable later.
ArthurVandelay
Head Coach
Posts: 6,563
And1: 6,302
Joined: Feb 10, 2023
 

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#417 » by ArthurVandelay » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:01 pm

TNRaps4life wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=19

Growth

Read on Twitter
?s=19

Read on Twitter
?s=19



Only complaint I can make after watching those highlights is he seems to have a little bit of Zoolander in him and can’t turn left.
User avatar
Psubs
RealGM
Posts: 20,853
And1: 11,913
Joined: Nov 20, 2004
Location: Toronto

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#418 » by Psubs » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:19 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
TNRaps4life wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=19

Growth

Read on Twitter
?s=19

Read on Twitter
?s=19



Only complaint I can make after watching those highlights is he seems to have a little bit of Zoolander in him and can’t turn left.


The shot-making is elite, so maybe he's just a taller, more athletic Melo? :o
Image
User avatar
UnbelievablyRAW
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,845
And1: 4,614
Joined: Oct 29, 2011
     

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#419 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:30 pm

Thaddy wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:My Raptors big board is:

Flagg
Harper
Ace
Kasparas
Tre
Demin
Khaman
VJ

Flagg and Harper in a class of their own.
Kasparas continues to get 15+/5+/5+ in consecutive games all while maintaining that 40+% from 3. It'd be really hard not to take him 3 but I have a feeling by draft day Ace will have grown as a player in workouts. He gives off that hard worker vibe and that would be tough to pass up on especially since he excels at exactly what we need. I love the KJ fit because he can easily run the bench unit offensively and is big enough to play next to IQ as a second guard ala Nembhard.

The player we draft (other than Harper or Flagg) will be coming off the bench. Depth is important in the high octane NBA. We should go for the best creator we can get at our pick. If we can get a good deal a 2nd first rounder thst gets us a C would make Poeltl expendable later.


We currently have Dick/Walter running with the starters in the 2/3 spot. Ace can easily take that spot by end of training camp. Neither are starter locks. Same thing with KJ honestly but I'd be more willing to have him on the bench because Shead isn't an NBA level pg (yet)
"Above average role player is now being paid like a superstar from one good playoff series. This will end up as one of the worst contracts in the league." paulbball on Pascal Siakam
User avatar
UnbelievablyRAW
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,845
And1: 4,614
Joined: Oct 29, 2011
     

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#420 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:55 pm

Psubs wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:
TNRaps4life wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=19

Growth

Read on Twitter
?s=19

Read on Twitter
?s=19



Only complaint I can make after watching those highlights is he seems to have a little bit of Zoolander in him and can’t turn left.


The shot-making is elite, so maybe he's just a taller, more athletic Melo? :o


Melo had way more of a bag and was a more physical player
"Above average role player is now being paid like a superstar from one good playoff series. This will end up as one of the worst contracts in the league." paulbball on Pascal Siakam

Return to Toronto Raptors