2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2
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RoteSchroder wrote:Scase wrote:He would easily be averaging a triple double if we had even just some more competent players on the roster.
Calling on Scase to read this last page.
See what I mean with the Bargnani excuses? Everyone’s averaging a triple double, if only they had better teammates.
This line of reasoning comes up every month on realgm for everyone’s favorite player.
That was an unbelievable take. Just a blatant disregard for history thinking that Scottie can do something that only two players in NBA history has ever done. lol.
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I really don't care about the assist stuff with Ace tbh
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense

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Syd-TK3 wrote:I really don't care about the assist stuff with Ace tbh
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense
Park him in the corner and slash, and in the dunker's spot.
Then he puts up 15ppg as a rookie just on 3's and dunks and turnaround J's.
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Syd-TK3 wrote:I really don't care about the assist stuff with Ace tbh
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense
Yeah I never understood that point in terms of the Raps, we don't need anymore play makers, we need more play finishers, more shooters, more guys who can get stuff out of nothing. Bailey's weaknesses aren't the teams weakness, and his strengths are something we desperately need.

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Psubs wrote:Syd-TK3 wrote:I really don't care about the assist stuff with Ace tbh
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense
Park him in the corner and slash, and in the dunker's spot.Then he puts up 15ppg as a rookie just on 3's and dunks and turnaround J's.
He's also extremely talented at those curling 3s off the catch. Very similar plays you'd run for gradey. Just drill that defensive mindset into him from early and you're good

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Reeko wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:Reeko wrote:The truth is that you don't want a guy like Bailey being the star player of your team. Within the context of a winning team he's a guy who you'd ideally have as a 3rd or 4th option. He can be a good and valuable player in the right situation, but if you're hoping he's going to be a guy who can be your #1 option on a championship team, I think you're fooling yourself.
Can't write a player off who has not even played in the NBA yet....How many people on this board thought Scottie Barnes after watching his college season and how slow he looked thought he would be ROY? Not many....A player like Bailey if he develops a few things (That are teachable) does have superstar potential....Because he already does the things every star player needs and thats shot creation and tough shot making at a pretty elite level....Everything else he "Can't" do right now can be developed over time....They are not stuff he can't unlock....Can't teach his size/speed/shot making ability....I still like Harper over Bailey but i deff think Ace could be a star in the NBA in the future.
I’m not writing him off, I just don’t think that he’s going to be a 1st option type.
This dude literally claims you can't teach shot making ability. I would say the biggest flag about Ace is not even anything he does but the quality of excuse-making around him.
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Ace Bailey definitely has that go to scoring option potential. He would fit here no doubt.
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ATLTimekeeper wrote:Reeko wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:
Can't write a player off who has not even played in the NBA yet....How many people on this board thought Scottie Barnes after watching his college season and how slow he looked thought he would be ROY? Not many....A player like Bailey if he develops a few things (That are teachable) does have superstar potential....Because he already does the things every star player needs and thats shot creation and tough shot making at a pretty elite level....Everything else he "Can't" do right now can be developed over time....They are not stuff he can't unlock....Can't teach his size/speed/shot making ability....I still like Harper over Bailey but i deff think Ace could be a star in the NBA in the future.
I’m not writing him off, I just don’t think that he’s going to be a 1st option type.
This dude literally claims you can't teach shot making ability. I would say the biggest flag about Ace is not even anything he does but the quality of excuse-making around him.
He can basically do no wrong and everything can be blamed on his teammates sucking.
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DreamTeam09 wrote:Syd-TK3 wrote:I really don't care about the assist stuff with Ace tbh
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense
Yeah I never understood that point in terms of the Raps, we don't need anymore play makers, we need more play finishers, more shooters, more guys who can get stuff out of nothing. Bailey's weaknesses aren't the teams weakness, and his strengths are something we desperately need.
Yep exactly this is a team sport and every team needs a player like Ace Bailey in todays NBA....We do not have that kind of player and in fact we are badly in need of a player of what Ace flashes so far in his college season....People seem to forget players may look even better in the NBA where they are playing with much better talent around them and also with a spaced out floor which might make it easier for a player like Ace to score....People forget how raw Barnes looked during college to where he is at today....People wrote off Barnes day 1 on this board (Myself included) who thought Barnes wouldn't be as good as he is today....
Players develop also he hasn't even reached a level of fitness with his body yet as he looks he can add muscle to be stronger....With his size and if he works on his handles/rim attacking while also getting better shots he may develop into an elite player...
Are there red flags for some things ofc but every player in this draft has them same red flags if you want to point out all their flaws and not mention the good stuff they do.

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The difference is that Ace's red flags puts him in a position where very few, if any, players have succeeded to the level that warrants a high pick. If you are fine taking that risk, that's cool, but don't be indignant if others are uninterested in this prospect.
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Los_29 wrote:RoteSchroder wrote:Scase wrote:He would easily be averaging a triple double if we had even just some more competent players on the roster.
Calling on Scase to read this last page.
See what I mean with the Bargnani excuses? Everyone’s averaging a triple double, if only they had better teammates.
This line of reasoning comes up every month on realgm for everyone’s favorite player.
That was an unbelievable take. Just a blatant disregard for history thinking that Scottie can do something that only two players in NBA history has ever done. lol.
Scase wrote:Brinbe wrote:Scottie becoming a nightly triple-double threat. Firmly in his Magic era in this current role. Just a shame he doesn't have better scoring teammates to take full advantage of what he creates.
He would easily be averaging a triple double if we had even just some more competent players on the roster.
It's an unbelievable take that a player who was averaging 23/10/9, could manage a triple double on a team with actual talent in that 7 game span?
Nah, it's just easier for people like you to completely ignore any context of a comment so you can make inflammatory posts. Maybe, just maybe, you look at the context of the post instead of getting your panties in a bunch, grow up.

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My Raptors big board is:
Flagg
Harper
Ace
Kasparas
Tre
Demin
Khaman
VJ
Flagg and Harper in a class of their own.
Kasparas continues to get 15+/5+/5+ in consecutive games all while maintaining that 40+% from 3. It'd be really hard not to take him 3 but I have a feeling by draft day Ace will have grown as a player in workouts. He gives off that hard worker vibe and that would be tough to pass up on especially since he excels at exactly what we need. I love the KJ fit because he can easily run the bench unit offensively and is big enough to play next to IQ as a second guard ala Nembhard.
Ace as a movement shooter at 6'9 who also gives good helpside and man defense is a plus. Literally fits the roster like a glove as a starting 3. Playing next to IQ and Barnes he will get a lot of good looks that will make his efficiency look night and day as well. The handle looks less Bambi-ish as well. If he's put in a play finisher role I think he'd thrive.
Flagg
Harper
Ace
Kasparas
Tre
Demin
Khaman
VJ
Flagg and Harper in a class of their own.
Kasparas continues to get 15+/5+/5+ in consecutive games all while maintaining that 40+% from 3. It'd be really hard not to take him 3 but I have a feeling by draft day Ace will have grown as a player in workouts. He gives off that hard worker vibe and that would be tough to pass up on especially since he excels at exactly what we need. I love the KJ fit because he can easily run the bench unit offensively and is big enough to play next to IQ as a second guard ala Nembhard.
Ace as a movement shooter at 6'9 who also gives good helpside and man defense is a plus. Literally fits the roster like a glove as a starting 3. Playing next to IQ and Barnes he will get a lot of good looks that will make his efficiency look night and day as well. The handle looks less Bambi-ish as well. If he's put in a play finisher role I think he'd thrive.
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UnbelievablyRAW wrote:My Raptors big board is:
Flagg
Harper
Ace
Kasparas
Tre
Demin
Khaman
VJ
Flagg and Harper in a class of their own.
Kasparas continues to get 15+/5+/5+ in consecutive games all while maintaining that 40+% from 3. It'd be really hard not to take him 3 but I have a feeling by draft day Ace will have grown as a player in workouts. He gives off that hard worker vibe and that would be tough to pass up on especially since he excels at exactly what we need. I love the KJ fit because he can easily run the bench unit offensively and is big enough to play next to IQ as a second guard ala Nembhard.
The player we draft (other than Harper or Flagg) will be coming off the bench. Depth is important in the high octane NBA. We should go for the best creator we can get at our pick. If we can get a good deal a 2nd first rounder thst gets us a C would make Poeltl expendable later.
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Only complaint I can make after watching those highlights is he seems to have a little bit of Zoolander in him and can’t turn left.
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Only complaint I can make after watching those highlights is he seems to have a little bit of Zoolander in him and can’t turn left.
The shot-making is elite, so maybe he's just a taller, more athletic Melo?

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Thaddy wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:My Raptors big board is:
Flagg
Harper
Ace
Kasparas
Tre
Demin
Khaman
VJ
Flagg and Harper in a class of their own.
Kasparas continues to get 15+/5+/5+ in consecutive games all while maintaining that 40+% from 3. It'd be really hard not to take him 3 but I have a feeling by draft day Ace will have grown as a player in workouts. He gives off that hard worker vibe and that would be tough to pass up on especially since he excels at exactly what we need. I love the KJ fit because he can easily run the bench unit offensively and is big enough to play next to IQ as a second guard ala Nembhard.
The player we draft (other than Harper or Flagg) will be coming off the bench. Depth is important in the high octane NBA. We should go for the best creator we can get at our pick. If we can get a good deal a 2nd first rounder thst gets us a C would make Poeltl expendable later.
We currently have Dick/Walter running with the starters in the 2/3 spot. Ace can easily take that spot by end of training camp. Neither are starter locks. Same thing with KJ honestly but I'd be more willing to have him on the bench because Shead isn't an NBA level pg (yet)
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Psubs wrote:ArthurVandelay wrote:
Only complaint I can make after watching those highlights is he seems to have a little bit of Zoolander in him and can’t turn left.
The shot-making is elite, so maybe he's just a taller, more athletic Melo?
Melo had way more of a bag and was a more physical player
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