Heat and GS with the Cavs

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Heat and GS with the Cavs 

Post#1 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 8:14 pm

GS out: Wiggins, Kuminga, and expiring filler
GS in: Butler

Cavs out: LeVert (expiring) and Okoro (or Strus)
Cavs in: Wiggins

Heat out: Butler
Heat in: Kuminga, LeVert, and Okoro plus expiring filler from GS.

Why for the GS. Get Butler for at least two more post season runs with Curry.

Why for the Cavs. consolidate two good role players into one.

Why for Miami. Land Kuminga, keep the books clear, and LeVert & Okoro help ensure they make the playoffs so they convey that pick to OKC this season.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: Heat and GS with the Cavs 

Post#2 » by NW » Fri Jan 3, 2025 8:19 pm

Think the Wiggins and Kuminga for Butler boat has sailed. Front office was shaky on having to move one, much less both.

Likely will go looking in the 20+ mil trade bin (Cam Johnson, Vucevic, Kuzma, etc.) for deals where they don’t have to trade either one.
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Re: Heat and GS with the Cavs 

Post#3 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Jan 3, 2025 8:20 pm

Feel like they can do better for Wiggins elsewhere
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Post#4 » by BBallFreak » Fri Jan 3, 2025 8:35 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:Feel like they can do better for Wiggins elsewhere

Agreed. I would guess expiring deals and a protected first from a good team.

We'd probably also want to flip Kuminga, too. Find value because I don't see us paying him what he wants.
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Re: Heat and GS with the Cavs 

Post#5 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 8:51 pm

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Godaddycurse wrote:Feel like they can do better for Wiggins elsewhere

Agreed. I would guess expiring deals and a protected first from a good team.

We'd probably also want to flip Kuminga, too. Find value because I don't see us paying him what he wants.


There aren't that many expiring contracts out there. The Raptors have Brown and Boucher but I'm a little skeptical they add a first or that either guy helps the Heat convey that pick.
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Re: Heat and GS with the Cavs 

Post#6 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 8:52 pm

NW wrote:Think the Wiggins and Kuminga for Butler boat has sailed. Front office was shaky on having to move one, much less both.

Likely will go looking in the 20+ mil trade bin (Cam Johnson, Vucevic, Kuzma, etc.) for deals where they don’t have to trade either one.


The Warriors could probably hold back Kuminga and send Miami draft capital.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: Heat and GS with the Cavs 

Post#7 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Jan 3, 2025 9:02 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Feel like they can do better for Wiggins elsewhere

Agreed. I would guess expiring deals and a protected first from a good team.

We'd probably also want to flip Kuminga, too. Find value because I don't see us paying him what he wants.


There aren't that many expiring contracts out there. The Raptors have Brown and Boucher but I'm a little skeptical they add a first or that either guy helps the Heat convey that pick.


Probably not expiring as matching but they can get 2 yr bad contracts and a pick whicj is still preferred over OP probably? Something like huerter+ from kings or collins+ from SAS
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Re: Heat and GS with the Cavs 

Post#8 » by axeman23 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 9:07 pm

I think I'd do the Cavs end with Levert and Okoro. I'd keep Strus around.
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Re: Heat and GS with the Cavs 

Post#9 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 9:12 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:Agreed. I would guess expiring deals and a protected first from a good team.

We'd probably also want to flip Kuminga, too. Find value because I don't see us paying him what he wants.


There aren't that many expiring contracts out there. The Raptors have Brown and Boucher but I'm a little skeptical they add a first or that either guy helps the Heat convey that pick.


Probably not expiring as matching but they can get 2 yr bad contracts and a pick whicj is still preferred over OP probably? Something like huerter+ from kings or collins+ from SAS


I'm just going by what the Heat are putting out there. They want expiring contracts. They want to make the playoffs and convey that pick to OKC so it doesn't convert to an unprotected 1st in 2026. Might they bend a little? I guess, but only after they can't find what they want. I personally think that Collins, Johnson and a first is a nuetral value package.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.

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