Jimmy Butler to the Warriors

[Slim Charless]

Here's the deal - if we're taking Wiggins and Kuminga we're foregoing our 2026 plans. I don't really want either player so I'd try and loop in other teams to take them and return assets and shorter contracts. The players could be useless and signed through next year. I don't care. It would be about the assets returned.

Doubt Heat would have trouble moving Wiggins for contracts done by 2026 and some draft capital. Cavs, Grizz among others would definitely have interest imo

Didn't the Heat already leak they want Kuminga in any Jimmy trade? Unless that's a lie of course, it seems like he's a must-and that he'd be staying.....?

[Fo-Real]

Would the believed package for Jimmy, work for Durant? If the Suns decide to let him go compete, would the Dubs be open to a reunion? Not saying the Suns are there yet, just seeing what the value scene between Jimmy and Durant is.

[NW]

Here's the deal - if we're taking Wiggins and Kuminga we're foregoing our 2026 plans. I don't really want either player so I'd try and loop in other teams to take them and return assets and shorter contracts. The players could be useless and signed through next year. I don't care. It would be about the assets returned.

Doubt Heat would have trouble moving Wiggins for contracts done by 2026 and some draft capital. Cavs, Grizz among others would definitely have interest imo

Didn't the Heat already leak they want Kuminga in any Jimmy trade? Unless that's a lie of course, it seems like he's a must-and that he'd be staying.....?

Don’t know about the Heat leaking it, was in a Clutchpoints article. Doesn’t jive with what seems to be the Heat strategy since they’d have to pay him this summer.

All a moot point anyway it seems. Main GS beatwriters just put out an article that GS isn’t pursuing Butler. Don’t want to deal Wiggins or Kuminga, much less the possibility of both

[jayjaysee]

Would the believed package for Jimmy, work for Durant? If the Suns decide to let him go compete, would the Dubs be open to a reunion? Not saying the Suns are there yet, just seeing what the value scene between Jimmy and Durant is.

I would have KD worth a lightly protected first more than Butler? He’s older and the window is shorter which really matters, but he’s the better player and not currently suspended due to…not getting extended like he wanted?

But I think KD would have to refuse to be traded to Miami in order for Miami to not pay the difference here and try to win a title in the next two years.

[Crazy-Canuck]

The challenge is Warriors need to mitigate how much depth they erode and will want to keep Kuminga. Based on that, if they involve Detroit it’s possible to do this to make it work

To Miami (waive Larson)
-Wiggins
-Schroder
-Waters
-Moore
-2028 Warriors 1st

To Golden State
-Butler
-Burks

To Detroit
-Payton

Schroeder part doesn’t work since they just got him.

Trade doesn't work because the Warriors can't meet the 14 man minimum with this trade.

Schroeder can be traded, but only a day before the deadline.

[Fo-Real]

Would the believed package for Jimmy, work for Durant? If the Suns decide to let him go compete, would the Dubs be open to a reunion? Not saying the Suns are there yet, just seeing what the value scene between Jimmy and Durant is.

I would have KD worth a lightly protected first more than Butler? He’s older and the window is shorter which really matters, but he’s the better player and not currently suspended due to…not getting extended like he wanted?

But I think KD would have to refuse to be traded to Miami in order for Miami to not pay the difference here and try to win a title in the next two years.

I meant going to Golden State.

[jayjaysee]

Would the believed package for Jimmy, work for Durant? If the Suns decide to let him go compete, would the Dubs be open to a reunion? Not saying the Suns are there yet, just seeing what the value scene between Jimmy and Durant is.

I would have KD worth a lightly protected first more than Butler? He’s older and the window is shorter which really matters, but he’s the better player and not currently suspended due to…not getting extended like he wanted?

But I think KD would have to refuse to be traded to Miami in order for Miami to not pay the difference here and try to win a title in the next two years.

I meant going to Golden State.

Yeah I know. I think GSW easily offers the same for KD as Butler. And includes the 2025 first. Or a Podz/Josh swap if you can build the deal up that much. No idea.

My spin was does Phoenix take the big step back in Kuminga/Wiggins. Or the small step back in Butler, and take the extra value difference between Butler and KD.

[Fo-Real]

I would have KD worth a lightly protected first more than Butler? He’s older and the window is shorter which really matters, but he’s the better player and not currently suspended due to…not getting extended like he wanted?

But I think KD would have to refuse to be traded to Miami in order for Miami to not pay the difference here and try to win a title in the next two years.

I meant going to Golden State.

Yeah I know. I think GSW easily offers the same for KD as Butler. And includes the 2025 first. Or a Podz/Josh swap if you can build the deal up that much. No idea.

My spin was does Phoenix take the big step back in Kuminga/Wiggins. Or the small step back in Butler, and take the extra value difference between Butler and KD.

I would say big step back but the reason is two fold. Not saying they should because of the already sunk cost but, If Durant ASKED out, I dont see him wanting Miami for one and we might as well go younger and re-sign Kuminga while either using Wiggs or trying to get value in another trade for him. If a guy like Podz came with that, well....... we would have to take that.

[winforlose]

Wiggins’ contract is not bad. He’s bounced back from a down year last year and it playing well

The inconsistency plus the potential for that switch to flip and him to suck again is why the contract is bad. Plus Wiggins has mental health issues and as we have seen with Love, Rubio, Simmons, and more, that can be as bad or worse than physical issues.

What mental health issues. He was dealing with his father's illness and death last season.

That I didn’t know. What I do know from having had Wiggins on the Wolves for years is that moody and plays when he feels like it. There were plenty of games that where he honestly didn’t seem to care about winning, so he stood around and did the minimum. Hence the nickname Standrew Wiggins. If you are telling me that isn’t connected to mental illness, than in some ways that great for him, but in some ways it is worse for his trade value.

[jbk1234]

Doesn't sound like the Warriors are interested


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6036974/2025/01/04/warriors-jimmy-butler-nba-trade-deadline/

[NW]

The inconsistency plus the potential for that switch to flip and him to suck again is why the contract is bad. Plus Wiggins has mental health issues and as we have seen with Love, Rubio, Simmons, and more, that can be as bad or worse than physical issues.

What mental health issues. He was dealing with his father's illness and death last season.

That I didn’t know. What I do know from having had Wiggins on the Wolves for years is that moody and plays when he feels like it. There were plenty of games that where he honestly didn’t seem to care about winning, so he stood around and did the minimum. Hence the nickname Standrew Wiggins. If you are telling me that isn’t connected to mental illness, than in some ways that great for him, but in some ways it is worse for his trade value.

No one is basing Wiggins trade value on how he was in Minnesota which, all due respect, was a tire fire organization then.

[winforlose]

What mental health issues. He was dealing with his father's illness and death last season.

That I didn’t know. What I do know from having had Wiggins on the Wolves for years is that moody and plays when he feels like it. There were plenty of games that where he honestly didn’t seem to care about winning, so he stood around and did the minimum. Hence the nickname Standrew Wiggins. If you are telling me that isn’t connected to mental illness, than in some ways that great for him, but in some ways it is worse for his trade value.

No one is basing Wiggins trade value on how he was in Minnesota which, all due respect, was a tire fire organization then.

Yeah, the first five and a half years of someone’s NBA career is never relevant to the conversation about them . Only what they do as a fourth option surrounded by Curry, Klay, Dray, and the Warriors dynastic system. The fact that Wiggins had one big year (again as the fourth option,) means everyone should ignore the wild inconsistency of play and effort. Also totally ignore that Maple Jordan (draft nickname,) is now known the league over as Standrew Wiggins.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Not surprising that people are basing wiggs' value on his minnesota days and not based on what he's done as a warriors minus the 1.5 years he was dealing with the off court issue.

Fyi, his one good year wasn't even his best year. Its just the first year that people actually noticed he isnt minnesota wiggins anymore. This year, he's actually better across the board.

Per 36 (minutes down due to 12 man rotation)

45/40/79 shooting splits

20/5.5/3/1/1 with elite defense. He isnt the salary dump nor the albatross contract that many think he is.

[NW]

That I didn’t know. What I do know from having had Wiggins on the Wolves for years is that moody and plays when he feels like it. There were plenty of games that where he honestly didn’t seem to care about winning, so he stood around and did the minimum. Hence the nickname Standrew Wiggins. If you are telling me that isn’t connected to mental illness, than in some ways that great for him, but in some ways it is worse for his trade value.

No one is basing Wiggins trade value on how he was in Minnesota which, all due respect, was a tire fire organization then.

Yeah, the first five and a half years of someone’s NBA career is never relevant to the conversation about them . Only what they do as a fourth option surrounded by Curry, Klay, Dray, and the Warriors dynastic system. The fact that Wiggins had one big year (again as the fourth option,) means everyone should ignore the wild inconsistency of play and effort. Also totally ignore that Maple Jordan (draft nickname,) is now known the league over as Standrew Wiggins.

When said player leaves the struggling organization he spent his first five years and goes to a better one and thrives, then yeah, I think that gets taken into account

And as already mentioned, his one stint of inconsistency and effort in GS coincided with his Dad fighting for his life. Wiggins is who he is - a strong 3 and D wing on a decent contract. No one is punishing him for not being more on a bad T-Wolves team.

Also pretty sure the only one calling him Standrew Wiggins is you. Let me know when you’ve been anointed as “league wide”

[winforlose]

No one is basing Wiggins trade value on how he was in Minnesota which, all due respect, was a tire fire organization then.

Yeah, the first five and a half years of someone’s NBA career is never relevant to the conversation about them . Only what they do as a fourth option surrounded by Curry, Klay, Dray, and the Warriors dynastic system. The fact that Wiggins had one big year (again as the fourth option,) means everyone should ignore the wild inconsistency of play and effort. Also totally ignore that Maple Jordan (draft nickname,) is now known the league over as Standrew Wiggins.

When said player leaves the struggling organization he spent his first five years and goes to a better one and thrives, then yeah, I think that gets taken into account

And as already mentioned, his one stint of inconsistency and effort in GS coincided with his Dad fighting for his life. Wiggins is who he is - a strong 3 and D wing on a decent contract. No one is punishing him for not being more on a bad T-Wolves team.

Also pretty sure the only one calling him Standrew Wiggins is you. Let me know when you’ve been anointed as “league wide”

Yeah, the bad organization can totally be blamed for Wiggins lack of effort. It has nothing to do with the fact that he is lazy, has a poor handle, and bad judgment. Dude gaslighting might be fun for you, but good luck getting anyone to actually give you neutral value for Wiggins, much less positive value.