Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

https://sny.tv/articles/knicks-nba-draft-night-moves-bit-more-financial-flexibility
They are saying here that it was to try to get back iHart.

that article assumed that dadiet was a stash pick.

financial flexibility.

I'm not sure you're really arguing that different points guys.

The long and the short of it is that teams can't stash first round picks. (The pick has the choice. Second round picks don't)

So ... maybe the Knicks thought they would be able to convince Dadiet to be stashed ... or maybe they didn't care. Hard to tell from our vantage point.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

The article is 100% legit. Most rookies are signed right away, we waited because the front office knew what they had cooking.

Ok. Whatever you say. I just think the reduction in salary was the result of the buyout. Which is probably why they drafted him. Because his cap hold would have been more if they stashed him. They wouldn't have that option with a US born player. They were saving money for whatever they wanted to do down the road. It wouldn't have prevented them from working out the KAT trade that wasn't happening yet. Did they already know they were trading for KAT BEFORE draft night? I doubt that but, whatever.

Knicks have had KAT on their radar. Not a secret. Last deadline there were rumors. We have enough connections with the Wolves that I am 100% sure that iHart resign was 1a and Towns was 1b.
Everything we did on draft night was to create cap space. So to that point, yes, Diadet being willing to take less was 100% essential in taking him.

I agree with all of that. But why then given Kolek such a fat contract for a 2RP? I mean, they could have trimmed another $1m from the salary there, in principal.

[nykballa2k4]

Ok. Whatever you say. I just think the reduction in salary was the result of the buyout. Which is probably why they drafted him. Because his cap hold would have been more if they stashed him. They wouldn't have that option with a US born player. They were saving money for whatever they wanted to do down the road. It wouldn't have prevented them from working out the KAT trade that wasn't happening yet. Did they already know they were trading for KAT BEFORE draft night? I doubt that but, whatever.

Knicks have had KAT on their radar. Not a secret. Last deadline there were rumors. We have enough connections with the Wolves that I am 100% sure that iHart resign was 1a and Towns was 1b.
Everything we did on draft night was to create cap space. So to that point, yes, Diadet being willing to take less was 100% essential in taking him.

I agree with all of that. But why then given Kolek such a fat contract for a 2RP? I mean, they could have trimmed another $1m from the salary there, in principal.

Just going off article time stamps. iHart officially(i think?) signed on july 6, Kolek signed his deal July 4, so perhaps it was known that we were missing out on iHart and they wanted his contract signed and dried ASAP to be a possible trade addition if needed? Also, fwiw, the 4 year deal is a good way to prevent a Linsanity situation again.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Knicks have had KAT on their radar. Not a secret. Last deadline there were rumors. We have enough connections with the Wolves that I am 100% sure that iHart resign was 1a and Towns was 1b.
Everything we did on draft night was to create cap space. So to that point, yes, Diadet being willing to take less was 100% essential in taking him.

I agree with all of that. But why then given Kolek such a fat contract for a 2RP? I mean, they could have trimmed another $1m from the salary there, in principal.

Just going off article time stamps. iHart officially(i think?) signed on july 6, Kolek signed his deal July 4, so perhaps it was known that we were missing out on iHart and they wanted his contract signed and dried ASAP to be a possible trade addition if needed? Also, fwiw, the 4 year deal is a good way to prevent a Linsanity situation again.

The 4 year deal, for sure, agree 100% on that.

But I just have in mind what Mitch originally signed for.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Knicks have had KAT on their radar. Not a secret. Last deadline there were rumors. We have enough connections with the Wolves that I am 100% sure that iHart resign was 1a and Towns was 1b.
Everything we did on draft night was to create cap space. So to that point, yes, Diadet being willing to take less was 100% essential in taking him.

I agree with all of that. But why then given Kolek such a fat contract for a 2RP? I mean, they could have trimmed another $1m from the salary there, in principal.

Just going off article time stamps. iHart officially(i think?) signed on july 6, Kolek signed his deal July 4, so perhaps it was known that we were missing out on iHart and they wanted his contract signed and dried ASAP to be a possible trade addition if needed? Also, fwiw, the 4 year deal is a good way to prevent a Linsanity situation again.

However it all worked out, we can see that our FO is moving and grooving while they are shucking and jiving and getting things done! Brilliant!

[nykballa2k4]

I agree with all of that. But why then given Kolek such a fat contract for a 2RP? I mean, they could have trimmed another $1m from the salary there, in principal.

Just going off article time stamps. iHart officially(i think?) signed on july 6, Kolek signed his deal July 4, so perhaps it was known that we were missing out on iHart and they wanted his contract signed and dried ASAP to be a possible trade addition if needed? Also, fwiw, the 4 year deal is a good way to prevent a Linsanity situation again.

The 4 year deal, for sure, agree 100% on that.

But I just have in mind what Mitch originally signed for.

Back in those days we didn't have to worry about matching as a first apron team.
i know we signed precious late, so there is that whole thing.

[Luv those Knicks]

Out of curiosity. I think the Knicks will be over the first apron next off-season, at least, that's what this website tells me.

So, they'll have a limited MLE next year. Is that how it works? See link:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/apron/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total2

I'm curious who they might be able to sign next year and what they might have to offer. I still think this team has some talent. Maybe needs a new coach and some depth, and a few shots of Michael's secret stuff or maybe a drink from the fountain of youth, but I'm still optimistic.

Can any cap experts confirm what they might have to spend on a free agent next year?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Why exactly aren't we trying to bring Lonnie Walker over?

[R-DAWG]

Ok. Whatever you say. I just think the reduction in salary was the result of the buyout. Which is probably why they drafted him. Because his cap hold would have been more if they stashed him. They wouldn't have that option with a US born player. They were saving money for whatever they wanted to do down the road. It wouldn't have prevented them from working out the KAT trade that wasn't happening yet. Did they already know they were trading for KAT BEFORE draft night? I doubt that but, whatever.

Knicks have had KAT on their radar. Not a secret. Last deadline there were rumors. We have enough connections with the Wolves that I am 100% sure that iHart resign was 1a and Towns was 1b.
Everything we did on draft night was to create cap space. So to that point, yes, Diadet being willing to take less was 100% essential in taking him.

I agree with all of that. But why then given Kolek such a fat contract for a 2RP? I mean, they could have trimmed another $1m from the salary there, in principal.

No matter what it is, having 2 first rd picks and not getting anything out of it after trading 4 of your future picks on top of your picks the previous 2 drafts is poor business.

I’m not really sure why Leon gave up on the draft after 2021. Imagine how different things would be if he used his lotto pick in 2022 on Jalen Williams and used other assets to get off Kemba to sign Brunson/I-Hart.

If your going to build a top heavy roster, you need to develop cheap talent.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Out of curiosity. I think the Knicks will be over the first apron next off-season, at least, that's what this website tells me.

So, they'll have a limited MLE next year. Is that how it works? See link:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/apron/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total2

I'm curious who they might be able to sign next year and what they might have to offer. I still think this team has some talent. Maybe needs a new coach and some depth, and a few shots of Michael's secret stuff or maybe a drink from the fountain of youth, but I'm still optimistic.

Can any cap experts confirm what they might have to spend on a free agent next year?

We should have the TPMLE which was around 5mil this year. Not sure how much that goes up next year. We will only have about 9 million under the second apron with 10 players. I read 13mil but someone here said it was less. I didn't double check.

We will be bringing in vet minimums to flesh out the roster. Payne/Shamet/Precious/Sims/Ryan will be off the books.

[The KnicksFix]

Knicks have had KAT on their radar. Not a secret. Last deadline there were rumors. We have enough connections with the Wolves that I am 100% sure that iHart resign was 1a and Towns was 1b.
Everything we did on draft night was to create cap space. So to that point, yes, Diadet being willing to take less was 100% essential in taking him.

I agree with all of that. But why then given Kolek such a fat contract for a 2RP? I mean, they could have trimmed another $1m from the salary there, in principal.

No matter what it is, having 2 first rd picks and not getting anything out of it after trading 4 of your future picks on top of your picks the previous 2 drafts is poor business.

I’m not really sure why Leon gave up on the draft after 2021. Imagine how different things would be if he used his lotto pick in 2022 on Jalen Williams and used other assets to get off Kemba to sign Brunson/I-Hart.

If your going to build a top heavy roster, you need to develop cheap talent.

I dont think it was financially possible to get Brunson that summer unless we came off the pick which became Williams

[cgf]

I wonder if we'll package Dadiet & Payne for someone like Champagnie from SA. He's been a pretty solid shooter & defender for them, is just under 6'8", Kolek could backfill for Payne, and I think that would open enough money for us to sign someone like Okeke after the trade

Towns | Robinson | Sims
Anunoby | Achuiwa
Hart | Champagnie | Okeke
Bridges | McBride/Shamet
Brunson | McBride/Kolek

[R-DAWG]

I agree with all of that. But why then given Kolek such a fat contract for a 2RP? I mean, they could have trimmed another $1m from the salary there, in principal.

No matter what it is, having 2 first rd picks and not getting anything out of it after trading 4 of your future picks on top of your picks the previous 2 drafts is poor business.

I’m not really sure why Leon gave up on the draft after 2021. Imagine how different things would be if he used his lotto pick in 2022 on Jalen Williams and used other assets to get off Kemba to sign Brunson/I-Hart.

If your going to build a top heavy roster, you need to develop cheap talent.

I dont think it was financially possible to get Brunson that summer unless we came off the pick which became Williams

We could have attached a different asset to Kemba and kept the lottery protected pick or worked a sign and trade with Dallas.

Either way - it’s one of those major missed team building opportunities.

[Wildcat]

Why exactly aren't we trying to bring Lonnie Walker over?

I don't know enough about him myself, but his major knocks are no defense, inefficient scorer, microwave scorer, questionable knees. 9 times out of 10 when a player is out of the NBA, it's because he isn't viewed very favorably.

[Richard4444]

Knicks have had KAT on their radar. Not a secret. Last deadline there were rumors. We have enough connections with the Wolves that I am 100% sure that iHart resign was 1a and Towns was 1b.
Everything we did on draft night was to create cap space. So to that point, yes, Diadet being willing to take less was 100% essential in taking him.

I agree with all of that. But why then given Kolek such a fat contract for a 2RP? I mean, they could have trimmed another $1m from the salary there, in principal.

No matter what it is, having 2 first rd picks and not getting anything out of it after trading 4 of your future picks on top of your picks the previous 2 drafts is poor business.

I’m not really sure why Leon gave up on the draft after 2021. Imagine how different things would be if he used his lotto pick in 2022 on Jalen Williams and used other assets to get off Kemba to sign Brunson/I-Hart.

If your going to build a top heavy roster, you need to develop cheap talent.

First, we don't know if we would have drafted Jalen Williams. We would probably have kept Dieng or Duran. More raw rookies in a win-now Thibs team.

Second, squeezing the Brunson and IHart salaries in our cap space was hard. The 4,5M rookie salary would complicate things.

Third, we probably would have been forced to give up the rookie anyway in the Mikal or Towns trades.

Fourth, being a big market contender, we can attract cheap ring chasers to be rotation players. I hope we don't have to be so cautious with the salary cap next season.

[Richard4444]

Why exactly aren't we trying to bring Lonnie Walker over?

First, right now we do not have the money. According to Sportrac, we have left only 636K to sign a min player (2087 cap hit for a full season). We have to wait until the end of the season to sign a 15th player (pro rata min salary).

Second, I would rather get a taller wing like Okeke or TJ Warren. I would not be surprised if we go after Burks if he is getting waived somehow.

[Richard4444]

I think we are projected to have 11,5M left from the second apron (with 10 player roster) and 13,5M if we are waiving Huk.

[Knicksfan1992]

Why exactly aren't we trying to bring Lonnie Walker over?

I don't know enough about him myself, but his major knocks are no defense, inefficient scorer, microwave scorer, questionable knees. 9 times out of 10 when a player is out of the NBA, it's because he isn't viewed very favorably.

Yeah there aren't as many success stories of guys leaving the league and coming back and becoming significant contributors as people may think. Some of it has to do with the fact that if you're a top dog in Europe you'll make more than the minimum in the NBA so there's less financial incentive for some guys to come back. However, the only guys I can think of off the top of my head who left and came back to be at least somewhat successful are:

JR Smith
Pat Bev
PJ Tucker
Dante Exum
Hassan Whiteside

Point being the league generally gets it right when it comes to their talent evaluations and there's usually a reason why guys wash out that goes beyond "they didn't get a fair shake".

[Jeffrey]

Out of curiosity. I think the Knicks will be over the first apron next off-season, at least, that's what this website tells me.

So, they'll have a limited MLE next year. Is that how it works? See link:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/apron/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total2

I'm curious who they might be able to sign next year and what they might have to offer. I still think this team has some talent. Maybe needs a new coach and some depth, and a few shots of Michael's secret stuff or maybe a drink from the fountain of youth, but I'm still optimistic.

Can any cap experts confirm what they might have to spend on a free agent next year?

Watch on YouTube

This is a good video regarding this deadline and next offseason's cap space for the Knicks.

[GettinitDone]

3 team: Josh + Mitch for Jimmy... 3rd team sends a big contract to Miami we give them multiple 2nd rd picks

C - KAT
PF - Precious
SF - Mikal
SG - Jimmy
PG - JB

Deuce
Shamet
Sims
Cam
Huk
Kolek
Ryan
Pac

**** it we have been playing without Mitch anyway

WE BECOME FEARED !!!